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FED24/7 Flat Earth Discord
•Created by Y3K_Rio on 11/21/2024 in #flat-earth-questions
Question
vanishing point* Convergence isn't curvature.
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FED24/7 Flat Earth Discord
•Created by ScooterMcGavin on 11/14/2024 in #flat-earth-questions
Mach speeds over long distances.
I did some follow up questions, GPT says the maximum g's this rocket can withstand is roughly around 40-50 in short instances, but in sustained maneuvers it's moreso 20-30 g's. I tried to get it to calculate how many g's this rocket would experience at mach 27 while nosing down at a rate of 8 inches per mile ² and it gave me the figure 1.37 million g's. I'm not mathematically inclined enough to validate this, but it isn't changing its answer and says that hypersonic missiles typically follow nearly straight trajectories*, that even slight deviations at that speed would create immense forces.
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FED24/7 Flat Earth Discord
•Created by ScooterMcGavin on 11/14/2024 in #flat-earth-questions
Mach speeds over long distances.
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FED24/7 Flat Earth Discord
•Created by Nobody on 11/12/2024 in #flat-earth-questions
Why make false claims
Appeal to motive is irrelevant to the discussion because it's purely speculative. One could say money is a motive, control over worldview can be another, but whether or not I or anyone else can come up with believable motives has no bearing on the fact that the earth is measured flat showing no drop over distance or rate of change of slope. If I or anyone else cannot come up with a good enough motive, does it then negate the empirical evidence? Of course not.
Now you say you want to assume the earth is flat, that's just a wrong way of beginning any investigation. If you're saying it to be charitable it's not necessary since it's measurable.
The truth is that those who believe in the globe, including myself when I used to believe in it, assume that despite the earth appearing flat it is actually curving, despite the earth being motionless it is assumed to be spinning, and despite having breathable air next to an expanding universe with no means of containment it is assumed gravity can reverse an increase in entropy. Despite not being there ourselves people like to assume that humans are out in space doing things and to assume that everyone who has claimed to be there (approximately 600 people) are telling the truth despite the plot holes in a narrative that doesn't seem to exist in reality but rather in text books and on TV.
The need to assume things is habitual of those who remain deeply rooted in the globalist worldview of the universe. Once you stop assuming and empirically investigate the world around you, you will find that it simply does not comport with the geometric claim we have all be fed as unquestioning children, and that natural laws of reality also do not align with their space narrative. No assumptions needed.
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FED24/7 Flat Earth Discord
•Created by Crusader on 11/11/2024 in #flat-earth-questions
What's going on here?
https://youtu.be/jkNjvCmsWOU?feature=shared
(Bremen vacuum chamber drop tower.)
Here's a more sophisticated drop test, this time at the University of Bremen (ZARM) 06/21/2004. EXPERIMENTUM CRUCIS.
The experiment shows the inside of an (aluminium-) drop caspule in the drop tower (110 m) of ZARM. During the fall of the test bodies (Lithium [Li], Beryllium [Be], Bor [B], Carbon [C], Aluminium [Al], Iron [Fe], Plumb [Pb]) you can see the different accelerations between the elements.
But the accepted physics says that these bodies should all have the same acceleration!
The drop experiment is the falsification of the UFF, of Galilei's law.
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FED24/7 Flat Earth Discord
•Created by Crusader on 11/11/2024 in #flat-earth-questions
What's going on here?
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FED24/7 Flat Earth Discord
•Created by Ayxy on 11/4/2024 in #flat-earth-questions
How di seasons work on your model?
We don't present a model, only controlled oppositions do.
It does not logically follow that measuring the surface of earth as flat can yield a specific shape that can be modeled, such as the disc in space that would usually surface as a top result for every search inquiry regarding the flat earth in any search engine.
Only controlled opposition groups, trolls or band wagon fake flat earthers who purposefully misrepresent what we argue for suggest that we for some reason think we're a disc in space based upon flat surface measurements alone.
We do not argue that we are a disc in space nor have we drawn up that depiction. Globalists have created that depiction, inserting a flat earth of their imagining into a heliocentric paradigm that we do not endorse here
The only people who think space is a foregone conclusion therefore earth must be a disc within that paradigm, are globalists or people who in general turn a blind eye to the fact that the ever expanding region of extreme low pressure(space) that is allegedly the sky above our heads violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics regarding entropy. Such a region cannot naturally exist and depicting a disc within said region is not what we argue for.
The earth is measurably flat, featuring no drop over distance or rate of change of slope of the horizontal. This means that regardless of how weather works, the earth measures flat.
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FED24/7 Flat Earth Discord
•Created by Oblateness on 11/2/2024 in #flat-earth-questions
Will flerfs be intellectually honest about the final experiment when we observe the 24hr sun?
This is a loaded question insisting we aren't already intellectually honest about the fact that the earth is measured flat, practically used as flat, navigated as flat, and how what happens in the sky has no bearing on what the surface is.
Will glerfs be intellectually honest enough to stop arguing abstraction vs abstraction via models so as to stop committing the reification fallacy? Unlike your question mine is not loaded, glerfs literally commit this fallacy all of the time such as with the final "experiment".
Typically their intellectual dishonesty shows in calling such an expedition/observation an experiment.Observing something in the sky and saying you believe it comports with a model (reification fallacy) isn't a cause and effect relationship derived from the scientific method. Proving whether or not the earth is flat doesn't require the scientific method.
2nd question: Will Glerfs be intellectually honest enough (and perhaps humble enough) to admit that in this instance they do not know what science is? To present something as science that lacks experiment is the very definition of pseudoscience, and that's exactly what this final "experiment" is at this point(pseudoscience), unless a testable hypothesis can be articulated.
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FED24/7 Flat Earth Discord
•Created by 馬克斯‧維斯塔潘 on 10/26/2024 in #flat-earth-questions
what scientific info makes flat earther thinks that the earth is flat?
measuring the earth as flat is not a cause and effect relationship.
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FED24/7 Flat Earth Discord
•Created by Carrot on 10/20/2024 in #flat-earth-questions
Comets
That's quite an imagination you have there Carrot.
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FED24/7 Flat Earth Discord
•Created by Sunflower on 10/16/2024 in #flat-earth-questions
Are flat earthers oppressed?
I find it interesting that if globe earth is the ultimate truth, the reality to the masses, the truth would be so obvious to the whole world by using testable and repeatable methods to determine drop over distance or rate of change of slope.
There would be no daily debunking of a radius value of 3959 miles on a daily basis here at 24/7 flat earth discord. Flat earth wouldn't even be a thing, Obfuscating controlled oppositions wouldn't exist, neither would random globe believers who want to put forth some kind of multi-paragraphed imagining speculating how flat earthers would be in camps, terminated or assassinated if the earth were actually flat.
But here we have our conventions, channels and forums and because of the lack of verifiable drop over distance/rate of change of slope.
Why so?
The closest thing to curvature that we get is by simply believing and parroting consensus, or by parroting memes that strawman and misrepresent what flat earthers argue for, appealing to the barrel distortion of a lense or fuselage window while throwing Neil Degrasse Tyson under the bus, but never are we ever provided direct measurement of the earth curving away from us, which is the very thing every real flat earther has sought for when they had set out to debunk flat earth, only to find out that there is no measurable drop over distance, or rate of change of slope.
In my opinion, this does not compare to what would happen if the earth were actually a globe wherein globe earthers would utterly trample over a flat earther with empirical data proving drop over distance or rate of change of slope that comports to the geometric claims we've all been told the earth allegedly has.
Why aren't globe earthers doing all they can to prove the geometric claim? Why do they choose only to talk about everything else or except the world beneath their feet or even go so far as constructing conspiracy theories from their imaginings about what should happen to flat earthers?
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FED24/7 Flat Earth Discord
•Created by DiamondTheAnimator on 10/15/2024 in #flat-earth-questions
how does the day cycle work
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FED24/7 Flat Earth Discord
•Created by Sunflower on 10/10/2024 in #flat-earth-questions
Calculating sunset & sunrise
sunrise and sunsets follow a daily cycle, a pattern. Patterns are not predictions. Projecting this pattern onto a globe projection isn't a direct measurement of curvature. If one would want to insist that the projection is the earth, measurements of drop over distance and rate of change of slope of the horizontal would be required to validate that claim.
Using mathematics to articulate a well established pattern, according to the seasons, is not a direct measurement of the earth, and to insist that the globe projection is the world we live upon when said projection* is not derived from any actual measurements is a reification fallacy - using abstraction as if it is concrete evidence.
It doesn't matter what it is that you may see in the sky, if you claim it's happening because the earth is curving away from your position, we're going to need evidence of that globe rather than wishful thinking.
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FED24/7 Flat Earth Discord
•Created by TKD_Adam on 10/10/2024 in #flat-earth-questions
why have we never seen a edge of the earth if flat?
Heliocentrists have drawn up propaganda pieces that show a disc in space, not us.
The claim of a heliocentric solar system within an ever expanding vacuum of space along with the geometric claim of a globe earth is outright debunked in our forum. We do not put forth an alternative cosmology in this forum, we simply debunk the geometric claim we were given of an earth with a 3959 mile radius.
The vacuum of space is debunked by the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
Curvature of the earth is debunked by direct measurements of the earth showing that it does not comport with the approximate geometric claim we are given by orders of magnitude.
Remember this and tell others:
The idea of a disc in space is put forth by controlled opposition groups. It is a strawman no one in this forum argues for, it is put forth to make the research we do seem nonsensical - it is them inserting something into their own cosmology that obviously would not work in the eyes of a globe believer, not us.
Think about it: We measure the earth flat using precision instruments, laser tests, celestial navigation, how does measuring the earth as flat then reveal the entirety of the earth as a specific shape? If I measure a shape as flat, what shape is it? It could be one of many different kinds, if it's a specific shape at all for that matter. One shape that flat measurements rule out however is the globe we were all told to believe in as unquestioning children.
Anyone who claims to know the shape of the earth, whether it would be globe believers or fake flat earth controlled opposition groups (such as flat earth society) cannot back up what they say with empirical evidence, all they can do is argue subjective opinion, or abstraction vs abstraction, one model idea versus another.
Also remember this and tell others:
If the flat earther you are talking to doesn't know anything substantial about the globe one has to debunk in order to doubt it in the first place, they are fake larpers.
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FED24/7 Flat Earth Discord
•Created by kingaxios on 9/20/2024 in #flat-earth-questions
Proof for flat earth?
you have not seen any evidence of globe earth? Me too! Welcome to flat earth.
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FED24/7 Flat Earth Discord
•Created by ⳩Decius⳩ on 8/23/2024 in #flat-earth-questions
Someone posted some images that "prove" curvature. Is there anything that can disprove this claim?
This question needs to be made more thorough by indicating what it is in an "image" (I'm assuming you mean photographs, images are by definition altered pictures) that proves curvature - which must be a rate of change of slope of the horizontal, revealing a rate of change of slope that is measurable: no longer having 0 slope.
Details such as the viewer height, distance being viewed and weather would clarify this question of yours and the claim they make, otherwise there is no data to set juxtaposed to the geometric claim of a 3959 mile (6371 km) sphere.
If there is no substantiation of a claim, what is there to disprove? It is nothing more than a begging the question fallacy, in which case you should reply with the phrase: "Hitchen's razor".
Because it would be as moot of a point as saying "this image proves flat" with no other language to indicate how it proves anything at all. If there is no empiricism, then it is not objectively investigating anything, it is at that point nothing more than wishful thinking.
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FED24/7 Flat Earth Discord
•Created by 𝙷𝚊𝚢𝚍𝚎𝚗 on 8/11/2024 in #flat-earth-questions
How does a Lunar Eclipse work on a flat earth?
The same way a selenelion eclipse doesn't work on a globe.
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FED24/7 Flat Earth Discord
•Created by 𝙷𝚊𝚢𝚍𝚎𝚗 on 8/17/2024 in #flat-earth-questions
Is NASA the only space agency?
ESA Europe
CNSA China
ISRO India
JAXA Japan
AEB Brazil
KARI South Korea
UAESA United Arab Emirates
ISA Israel
CSA Canada
There are more but they do not have full launch capabilities.
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FED24/7 Flat Earth Discord
•Created by CreationBear on 8/8/2024 in #flat-earth-questions
is the surface of a body of water you could put your body in: convex, concave, or neither?
neither
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