Is Fashion Art? - Topic of the day 11/6/24
Exactly the question posed: is fashion an art form to you, why or why not? To what extent is this dependent on the type of clothes or any specific context? If it is an art form, would designers/tailors/clothesmakers be considered artists? Does its status as art (or not art) impact how you engage with fashion?
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@artvandelayimporting are u fashion
duh
but only when i do it
fashion is art, styling is a craft
imo
Im with calla
in order to answer this question, I feel like its important to define what "art" is,
which I wont do
yea idk i think fashion is sometimes art
most times fart
my fashion
ur fashion
real
Runway fashion is art at least
High fashion or whatever
couture or whatver
Whatever
This is a half baked thought and I feel this less strongly about fashion than I do about other variations of “is xyz art” because fashion has such a relationship with fiber arts and sculpture and everything but I do think the impulse to call “thing I like” art to legitimize it has a tendency to flatten the ability to actually talk about what makes “thing I like” special
Yeah fashion is art. And I’d argue all kinds of fashion are art - just things like fast fashion are the equivalent of shitty motel paintings.
What differentiates fashion from many forms of art is the expectation that the actual physical craftsmanship behind it needs to be sound. This is the case for some types of art (sculpture, painting etc.) but not necessary all other types - like writing. Writing doesn’t need a “hard skill” behind it, so fashion isn’t art like writing is. Fashion is art like painting is or like sculpting is because there is an actual craft attached as well as the aesthetic element.
Fashion in that sense is a trade as well as art - just like architecture.
i think fashion can be used as art
like one of my other hobbies, video game-
but yeah, I can see how I could use this as art
i think this question is goofy
is piss art?
yea it probly can be, but most times its just piss
taxonomy discussions just don't hit like they did on reddit
from an anthropological standpoint this is very important: it captures the current zeitgeist, a fragment of cultural currents and the materialization of how people are building their identities contemporarily.
It's because we all know better after people on both sides of the "argument" spent years showing their whole ass trying to "answer" this question about video games
Maybe a hot take but aesthetics is the dumbest sub discipline of philosophy and it shows in discussion like that.
I read a take that I really agree with and that is kind of similar to what someone else posted above me already. But fashion is art to an extend. Art does not have to have any quality apart from aesthetic. Architecture and fashion need to have quality. If you make a beautiful building but it collapses, you are a bad architect. If you make beautiful clothes that fall apart immediately, you are a bad designer
lol
function?? in my art????
An oil painting shouldn’t just run off the canvas either tbf - neither should a sculpture collapse. The trade skills required for many classic art forms are often overlooked.
Nah
Man wtf who picked this photo
i completely overlooked those in this case you are right
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Mass production (fast fashion) has created a divide between fashion and art - mainstream (fast) fashion focuses on cheap, mass-produced items made to be worn briefly before they get "replaced", this is the opposite rhetoric of garments made by an "artisan"
To me, for fashion to be considered art, it likely requires a handmade element and some sort of innovation (pattern making, prints, yadda yadda)
So is fashion art? generally, I don't think so...can it be? Yes, but at a mass level - I think the craft is dead
Just my 2 cents tho
warhol haters be like
I like Warhol
This just comes down to a dumb semantic discussion about what qualifies as art
which is arguably one of the big things warhol dabbled in imo
I wonder what Duchamp would say
yea fwiw i do think questions like this should be banned from future discussionb
his love of having assistance, multiple copies of his work, the pop art movement in general was arguably a direct response to "consumerism isn't art" in my opinion
he was making consumerist art as an artistic statement, now obv thats different than fast fashion but i think theres similarities
in fashion and pop art
Kruger touched on the same thing
warhol and pop art kinda showed us that decrying whatever's new and trendy as dumb and bad is not the move tho
realheads embrace the trash and leapfrog it with something even dumber and worse
angelus novus . jpg
like performance art lmao that ain't real art!
can't hang that on my wall!
Of course its art. Its creative expression in a visual medium
brother i am joking
I wasn't responding to you, but to the topic prompt amigo
oh swag carry on
in my opinion, soulless art made with capitalist motivations is still art. bad art is still art
I'm a dadaist
To be fair I don't care much for this topic, I just entertained puma's y
i'm just engaging because i enjoy the discussion! not trying to be confrontational
yeah
Shitty motel art ist technically art, I agree
It really depends on your definition of fashion. Everyone makes "fashion" choices, I don't think it is an art form for 95% of people. Certainly runway shows, etc. are "art". Throwing on ratty sweatpants when sick? That's not art. It is a fashion choice, but is it "capital F Fashion"?
I think interior decorating is a good parallel. It can be a form of art. Throwing a mattress in the floor and a TV on top of a cardboard box is not "art"
Its tough because both are functional. I forget which one, but there is a comedian who does a bit (paraphrasing) "Why does this have to be an expression? Can't I just wear clothes to cover my disgusting body?" People wear clothes for different reasons, so I think motivation is the determining factor
that last part is sometimes also just what dysphoria feels like
A lot of things are art!
I was in an contemporary art museum the other day just kind of reflecting on like the absurdity of some of the pieces — too abstract, or even seemingly replicable by any layperson. None of that really matters. I think art is really is just metaphors in a sense, and mediums like fashion, dance, writing, and illustrative format are different languages that appeals to people differently but contextualizes/harmonizes each other
Like a lot of artwork I think really gains meaning based on the history of the person that created it, and I think this is especially a prominent point in fashion where you see people discuss the narrative of brands, designers and individuals and how they may have evolved and drawn from influences within and beyond fashion
There is perhaps some kind of separation that could be delineated between high fashion and ... not high fashion (?) in the same sense drawing stick figures probably doesn't qualify as art as people understand it. But either way there's a internal + external quality either way where you're actively trying to evaluate and interpret xyz
I would even go on a tangent like, is building in Minecraft an application of art? Of architecture? There's color theory, perspectives, pixel art — all the fundamentals are there and the results show for theirselves
i totally burnt myself out on this topic as a younger person and my final answer is, in the most intellectually respectful way possible, just live my life with curiosity and open mindedness and ponder this question when it seems appropriate and do not when it is not edifying. I'll know the art that will have a meaningful impact on my life by it having a meaningful impact on my life. I've spent most of my life concerned with the "arts" somehow and yet I cant give a single answer as to what art is. I'll respect its a worthy of self reflection for some people, but not for me, but I only say that after much self reflection
all in all
maybe
yes