How does footwear impact an outfit? - Topic of the day 7/24/24

One could argue the most pivotal point of any outfit is what's on foot. Can your footwear change the tone and vibe of your entire outfit? How so? Do you have any examples of one outfit worn with two different pairs of footwear, and how did that change the fit? What are some previous fits you wore that you feel could be improved simply by changing the shoes?
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seth
seth6mo ago
it do
kyn
kyn6mo ago
shoes are like the foundation of a house
awburkey
awburkey6mo ago
If I can't see your shoes it's not a fit. You can still brick it
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stevie
stevie6mo ago
truuuuuu
seth
seth6mo ago
trigger warning pls
stevie
stevie6mo ago
biased as a former sneakyhead but i just rly love shoes
zeometer
zeometer6mo ago
those poor tabis did not deserve that
kyn
kyn6mo ago
i'll own that i've historically been fairly lazy with footwear, preferring a 'versatile' shoe (triple white stan smith, black salomon xa pro 3d) over one that looks as good as it possibly could still figuring it out
zeometer
zeometer6mo ago
there's an alternate universe where i wear black loafers in this fit and it improves considerably imo - it "grounds" the fit more and makes it more formal, which is what i was sorta trying to attempt
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aud
aud6mo ago
shoes cause the most bricks :hawyee:
zeometer
zeometer6mo ago
i know the "shoes as a foundation to the fit" is a dumb comment but it's not necessarily wrong all the time. @The Teenage Gentleman lol had an essay on it but shoes can set the formality of the fit (either casual or formal), and the other parts can either support that or subvert that
Smiles
Smiles6mo ago
i don't really think they are a foundation just a piece same level as any other part of the fit foundation implies they are more important to me they aren't, same level as a shirt/pants/jacket Would also just caution I think you are taking one way of thinking about playing with formality and projecting it to everyone. I normally set formality with my pants and subvert or support around that mentally same end result, but i think about it differently
zeometer
zeometer6mo ago
i agree it depends on the fit hence the "not necessarily all the time" bit
aud
aud6mo ago
for me they're not the same level, at least most times when something isn't working it tends to be shoe choice. possibly this is because people often have fewer shoe options because they're more expensive? I guess I see more compromises in shoes because the person wearing them doesn't have other options than with clothing (shirts/pants/jackets)
zeometer
zeometer6mo ago
a direct comparison - same fit, different vibes solely due to sneakers vs loafers; in this instance it does rely on whether to lean into the ivy vibes or subvert them
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stevie
stevie6mo ago
actually huge diff wow lol
Smiles
Smiles6mo ago
Everyone builds outfits differently is my point I normally start with my pants
stevie
stevie6mo ago
this is the shit I wanted to see
Smiles
Smiles6mo ago
if you start with the shoes you can end up with the same result but mentally you took a different journey this isn't a refutation of this, but I would have these pants on and choose the shoes based on the vibe i want, rather than have the shoes and choose the pants based on the vibe i would never refute shoes are one of the easiest ways to play with formality levels in a fit as thats also one of my favorite things to do
werkinprogress
werkinprogress6mo ago
where did @saint laurent go
circleframes
circleframes6mo ago
Yeah I reaaaally love having a shoe be kinda unexpected It’s high risk high reward
zeometer
zeometer6mo ago
i think we agree - i'm more likely to start off with pants when building a fit but i'm also likely to say after "i want to feel kinda [x] so let me wear shoe [y]"
circleframes
circleframes6mo ago
Like I love wearing my Mary janes with my Carhartts or my cooked vans with pleated EK trousers But I’ve also swung and missed a lot n u guys don’t see it aha
Smiles
Smiles6mo ago
just slap loafers on everything
carrion
carrion6mo ago
circ I have said this before I think but your shoe choices always inspire me
sioku
sioku6mo ago
I think it’s foundational or set a the tone depending on the loudness of the shoes and what you’re gojng for Like flared jeans with a tee can be “normal” with sneakers but if you wear cowboy boots then all of a sudden it has a western lean
zeometer
zeometer6mo ago
and that's mainly like assuming all other things are equal, there's still stuff like shoe profile or color impacting a fit
werkinprogress
werkinprogress6mo ago
I find the size of the shoe to be really important to how the fit is perceived
circleframes
circleframes6mo ago
What kyn said earlier really hit for me too. Finding shoes that fit was really and can be still be hard so I think I would only buy safe versatile shoes I’ve been getting out of that and i think mfad noticed that and was supportive which is nice
werkinprogress
werkinprogress6mo ago
I've got a lot of bulky or chunky shoes that have suffered at the hands of bad PSI in my wardrobe
femto
femto6mo ago
Yeah I wonder how many of us have fewer shoe options bc of sizing not just cost - there's a lot of low cut sneakers I can't do much less leather shoes 🥲
circleframes
circleframes6mo ago
That’s really sweet. They’re a nice way for me to feel less masc in a subtler way too yknow The daintier shoes that have become kinda my calling card I mean
Smiles
Smiles6mo ago
I shoulda bought sambas 2 years ago but i didn't and ive felt its too late to buy em for the last year
zeometer
zeometer6mo ago
unironically not an awful idea To clarify - shoe choice is hard sometimes but i remember worrying less about it when i only wore the sake pair of loafers or vans every day lmao. more variety is good overall but it can increase the difficulty level
jfarrell468
jfarrell4686mo ago
Same outfit, different shoes. From the recent theme-waywt. Sorry again for terrible lighting.
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kyn
kyn6mo ago
theyre still here
jfarrell468
jfarrell4686mo ago
Posted this yesterday. Terrible pic, sorry. The shoes are the whole point of this outfit. With brown loafers or white canvas sneakers it would look fine, but it would be a pretty boring outfit.
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Smiles
Smiles6mo ago
Anyway I do agree I feel limited the most by shoe options even though I have a lot And it definitely feels the worst since they are expensive
circleframes
circleframes6mo ago
I remember TGO saying he hated buying nice shoes because he knew they weren’t gonna last
Yakkeks
Yakkeks6mo ago
I feel like the issue with shoes is that there is fundamentally much less room for things to not fit
circleframes
circleframes6mo ago
Your love of red is so important
kyn
kyn6mo ago
i fuck w this i just bought my first pair of like "nice" shoes and im not really happy about it same reason i haven't sprung for paraboots i'm gonna fuckin kill these things and they're gonna look like shit in a few years, much faster than an equivalent cost coat or pair of pants
jfarrell468
jfarrell4686mo ago
The solution is to buy MORE shoes and rotate. :401k:
zeometer
zeometer6mo ago
kyn called me out, having worn the same pair of aldens for half the days this month
Smiles
Smiles6mo ago
Ya I have the opposite problem i have a million shoes i don't think ill ever wear any out
kyn
kyn6mo ago
no
bishopcorrigan
bishopcorrigan6mo ago
So many fits
kyn
kyn6mo ago
i do not like having a lot of shit
zeometer
zeometer6mo ago
fucking SAME
kyn
kyn6mo ago
the salomons i have are like 6 years old and they're still in extremely wearable shape bc those shoes are meant to be crushed by a stampede of moose or whatever
zeometer
zeometer6mo ago
but also i do like the 20% (or more) chance of absolutely nailing a fit via shoe choice
kyn
kyn6mo ago
stan smiths i would swap out about once a year but id get 100+ wears out of them easy and they were like <$100 i have some Nicer Leather Shoes I literally never wear bc I was gifted or inherited them over the years, they're all like 10+ years old and look Fine but it's bc they haven't been put through the fuckin wringer im constantly paring down my wardrobe and aiming to have the smallest wardrobe to date by the end of the year (which I think already have, for me!), the solution for me is not 'buy more shit off ebay'
jfarrell468
jfarrell4686mo ago
Actually, in all seriousness...it's a very good point that you can wear out a pair of shoes very quickly compared to clothing. I hadn't really thought that through until now. But while I think of sneakers as having a limited lifetime, I am trying to slowly acquire leather shoes with the intent of keeping them forever, maybe the rest of my life.
kyn
kyn6mo ago
I have one each of a lower profile white sneaker, a big white sneaker, the black sort-of-chunky salomons, big black boots, brown boots (which don't really work in my wardrobe), and less-chunky black grain derbies, and now chunky black derbies + a handful of shoes I literally never wear (blue-gray suede derbies, black chelseas, brown captoe derbies, pink sneakers, purple/green dunks) the suede shoes, chelseas, and both pairs of derbies are 'nice' (tods, heschungs, paraboots iirc) but if I got a similar pair that I actually wore i'd yeet the one that got less wear
Yakkeks
Yakkeks6mo ago
I think what for me works in favour of shoe preservation is that I like to cycle everywhere. So I have the same issue with pants instead lol
kyn
kyn6mo ago
anyway, sorry for the diversion. personally I'd rather a smaller selection of footwear (<12, ideally <8) that is more 'versatile' than having to decide which of my black leather shoes has the incrementally best PSI I also move between apartments a lot and don't like being overwhelmed by choice
jfarrell468
jfarrell4686mo ago
Here's the 3rd pic I ever posted to #waywt. Even then I had realized that my shoes sucked. I said at the time this would be better with Birks, and I was right. (The shorts kinda suck too)
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bishopcorrigan
bishopcorrigan6mo ago
I think shoes are tonesetters You can change the vibe of a fit significantly by just changing shoes
kyn
kyn6mo ago
even gray 990v5s would be better here fwiw I think that specific profile of shoe + the design aren't great
jfarrell468
jfarrell4686mo ago
yeah, it's a low bar. 🙂
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
I wear an older pair of running shoes to work most days and it’s the outfit killer. I need to find a better sneaker that I can wear for work but also some more dressier shoes that aren’t necessarily dress shoes if that makes sense
damb
damb6mo ago
A good pair of boots is really my top choice for footwear
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
1000%
damb
damb6mo ago
Bury me with a pair of guidis or blundstones
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
I’m ready to just bite the bullet and buy some iron rangers because my feet and red wings are a match made in heaven
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
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damb
damb6mo ago
Worn/cooked boots really are the goat
femto
femto6mo ago
Just starting to do the same. Some of my dad's generation really did "buy for life" with Oxfords for work and lot of people here do that with Red Wing work boots. So I can see in person it can be done and how cool wear can look 🙂
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
Is that a brand? Or do you just mean broken in boots
jfarrell468
jfarrell4686mo ago
I think I'm less of a boots guy than I thought. I thought I absolutely needed a pair of RedWings, but after trying them on multiple times and walking away, I guess not.
Yakkeks
Yakkeks6mo ago
thinking of eventually getting a pair of blundstones for these days in the winter where its just raining cats and dogs and there is sleet and stuff around that I don't want to subject my other shoes to
damb
damb6mo ago
Just broken in, worn
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
Do you not like the look, or the feel?
damb
damb6mo ago
I love my blundstones so much, perfect pair of boots to just throw on, especially if the weather is shit
Yakkeks
Yakkeks6mo ago
Yeah, same. I think I have worn my boots more often this summer than my summer shoes
damb
damb6mo ago
Your pant hem opening can really make or break the way a pair of boots looks Same! Boots and shorts!!! 😍
jfarrell468
jfarrell4686mo ago
The look and the vibe. I assume that with dedication they will break in and feel great.
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
That’s fair, I love the look of docs but tried a lot on and think they look chunky on me Another similar style to the iron ranger and a little less money https://www.schottnyc.com/products/schott-nyc-6-service-boot.htm?color=108&catID=14 Aldo lace ups look the part for what I want but I feel like every time I try on more affordable brands they feel not good on my feet
jfarrell468
jfarrell4686mo ago
Here's another example of shoes setting the tone of the outfit. This would be quite different with loafers.
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wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
I know that shows have a breaking in period but sometimes you know it’s not right
stevie
stevie6mo ago
honestly so is the condition of the shoe. sometimes beat up footwear just hits different
Yakkeks
Yakkeks6mo ago
While I love boots I HATE the breaking in period. So much anxiety about "was this the right size and they just need some time or did I size wrngly"
stevie
stevie6mo ago
i also get sad knowing my shoes aren't gonna last anywhere near as long as any other clothing by far but they last longer than you'd think if you have even 3-4 pairs
Yakkeks
Yakkeks6mo ago
I think my suede tecovas are too small/narrow :nooooo:
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
Idk if you’ve heard this before but a way to ease into to is shorter periods. Wear it for an hour or two for the first few days, then a few more hours until you get to a point where you can wear it for say a whole work day. It’s not always feasible but it can help make it easier on your feet
damb
damb6mo ago
TYBG
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stevie
stevie6mo ago
had my salomons for four years being a borderline daily driver and i can probably wear them another four
Yakkeks
Yakkeks6mo ago
Its less about the physical discomfort than the anxiety of having sized wrong
stevie
stevie6mo ago
had my jordans for five or six years i think, even used it as a gym shoe in the past, and they're still in more than wearable condition
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
Oh my b that second message didn’t load for me
artvandelayimporting
Have you guys heard of cream vans b4
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damb
damb6mo ago
If your boots are full grain leather and you can heat them up with a hair dryer and stretch them with your hand from the inside
stevie
stevie6mo ago
wow it's actually been seven years
damb
damb6mo ago
Ya lil B put me on in 2012
Yakkeks
Yakkeks6mo ago
looks greige to me
stevie
stevie6mo ago
unironically love these the beat up vans are so good
artvandelayimporting
like a cast iron pan, when properly seasoned you can do everything with them
stevie
stevie6mo ago
TRUUUUUUU unseasoned vans just look wrong
damb
damb6mo ago
Can't wear vans no mo unfortunately Toes too squished Need to splay my toes - foot health is too important to me
stevie
stevie6mo ago
can't remember the last time i put on my sk8 his
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
For a more casual sneaker (but not athletic shoe) I’ll always be a converse guy
damb
damb6mo ago
Not gonna fuck my ankles and knees up for shoes
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
A pair of white and black can go the distance for you Real talk
damb
damb6mo ago
Can't wear chucks anymore either smh
artvandelayimporting
First wear of the current pair for scale
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stevie
stevie6mo ago
yeah honestly 80% of the reason i wear salomons is because i find them extremely comfortable lol them and asics actually insane difference
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
In the running community a lot of people get pissy about brands of shoes and I always tell new runners to ignore advertising and influencers and suggestions for specific brands, just go and try them on and fine what’s comfortable even if it’s not a trendy brand I like the look of adidas sambas and their similar models, are they any shoe brands out there that make a similar looking shoe with less of a checkered human rights violation history?
artvandelayimporting
the german army
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
LESS
damb
damb6mo ago
You can get the onitsuka tiger Mexico 66
zeometer
zeometer6mo ago
💯 i hate thinking of clothing in terms of financial investments but i will spend the extra (hypothetical) money on a better shoe that doesn't mess up my feet (more)
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
Oooo looking at that now definitely fitting the vibe I’m seeking
damb
damb6mo ago
Had to toss all my old sneaks 3 years ago because of this rip vans, chucks, most nikes
stevie
stevie6mo ago
yeah i haven't sold mine off yet but all my nikes i don't wear anymore
damb
damb6mo ago
This is the vibe 😈
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wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
@damb Oof they won’t sell to the US 😢
jfarrell468
jfarrell4686mo ago
What? I've definitely seen Onitsuka Tiger on sale in the US.
damb
damb6mo ago
Try a different retailer, not their official website
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
I’ll have to do more research at home but the prices are coming up in £ and ¥
damb
damb6mo ago
You can also get the classic kung fu sneaks
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
Good point
damb
damb6mo ago
Feiyue
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jfarrell468
jfarrell4686mo ago
Oh, according to Wikipedia, they stopped selling to the US through their website in Nov 2023.
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
I dig the look though it’s suspiciously low priced
damb
damb6mo ago
Nah they're legit I just ordered some for a friend's birthday I will say that they used to have a thinner midsole, which I liked better than the revised version
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
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damb
damb6mo ago
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wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
Are they super flexible and bendy?
werkinprogress
werkinprogress6mo ago
one of my boys rocks these
damb
damb6mo ago
Yeah they were originally meant for martial arts My aikido sensei from adolescence had a pair +5 str and dex
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
Ah fuck never mind it’s leather that comes from Brazil I can’t buy that in good conscience Maybe they have other styles without Brazilian leather
stevie
stevie6mo ago
you are going to have to pay a lot more if you want ethically made footwear just be warned
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
Well aware of that. Same with clothing in general The slave labor cotton from China is another one that’s super pervasive I acknowledge I’ll never be consuming ethically 100% of the time but I still try my best
carrion
carrion6mo ago
we got slave labor in the US i wouldn't be too quick to namedrop China like that
stevie
stevie6mo ago
yeah not trying to discourage you but i don't even know any sneaker companies that are relatively ethically made
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
Absolutely. “Made in America” means prison labor a lot of the time -insert incoherent rant about no ethical consumption in late stage capitalism-
lavandism
lavandism6mo ago
-insert counter argument about vintage/deadstock- I found shoes very useful to help switch the “gender” of the look, and I am not talking heels, though these help a lot
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
I try to buy at thrift stores but thrifting is trendy now, and getting just as expensive. Which would be somewhat tolerable if I could consistently find clothing in my size
lavandism
lavandism6mo ago
I’m sorry to hear that, where I am thrifting is still reasonably cheaper than buying new obv, takes much more time and luck
damb
damb6mo ago
Thrifting is absolutely ran thru these days
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
Yeah absolutely a lot of it is time and luck
damb
damb6mo ago
Either shit selects or massively upcharged
kyn
kyn6mo ago
i think its still better in the US than EU but i may be wrong (thrifting)
lavandism
lavandism6mo ago
Idk, vinted and ebay still work for me
damb
damb6mo ago
Online thrifting is diff
lavandism
lavandism6mo ago
Uuuuh depends on what you are searching for, imo
damb
damb6mo ago
I'm talking bout brick n mortar At least here in NY it's ran thru
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
The Salvation Army is unfortunately the best in person thrifting near me…
lavandism
lavandism6mo ago
I am dying for US sweatshirts and all that ivy stuff and cheap aldens
Benji
Benji6mo ago
In NYC?
lavandism
lavandism6mo ago
On the other hand I have sartorial clothes and myriads of double breasted blazers for 20€
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
Church thrift stores out in LI if you can get there is a good move Yea
Benji
Benji6mo ago
I find that the chain type consignment stores can have great finds on designers MFA likes
damb
damb6mo ago
I usually hit NJ or CT these days
kyn
kyn6mo ago
crossing state lines for the jawns commitment
damb
damb6mo ago
Brooklyn specifically It's easy when you have a car that you like driving 🥰
kyn
kyn6mo ago
wym you dont like urban jungle beacon's closet other people's clothes etc etc
Benji
Benji6mo ago
Salvation army Woodside seemed similar to ones in LI so you may just need to go a bit out of the way from where you usually go in the city to find a decent real thrift store
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
You’d think with the bushwick look in vogue normal clothing would be available
kyn
kyn6mo ago
(this is a bit i totally get it and do not think of those as 'thrifts')
Benji
Benji6mo ago
I mean it's really accessible on the 7 train
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
On that note, the stores around Steinway are pretty good. There’s a nice one on ditmars that I can’t go to anymore because of an ex But where are the good ones in central and eastern queens 😢
damb
damb6mo ago
F
Benji
Benji6mo ago
Ooh I wanted to go over there to check them out There's a salvation army in middle village I think now btw
damb
damb6mo ago
I just prefer bin thrifting, it takes more time but you can't beat the pricing at bins
kyn
kyn6mo ago
one day i will bin
zeometer
zeometer6mo ago
yeah i get that but people are gross
Benji
Benji6mo ago
There's a goodwill bin store in Sunnyside/LIC but I'm scared of it being gross lol
damb
damb6mo ago
I wear latex gloves 😭
kyn
kyn6mo ago
i think it's right at the limit of 'digging through shit to find gold' for me
Michael
Michael6mo ago
do you have any nj recs? ive been disappointed with most places here
damb
damb6mo ago
Udelco
zeometer
zeometer6mo ago
maybe i'll go to the bins one day bit until then i'm willing to spend more for my sanity
Michael
Michael6mo ago
🫡 ty
damb
damb6mo ago
Cash only tho So bring some dough
lavandism
lavandism6mo ago
Don’t bin thrifts sanitize their clothing??
zeometer
zeometer6mo ago
anyway i wouldn't recommend going through bins for shoes 👍 even if they would directly impact a fit
stevie
stevie6mo ago
ive definitely thrifted shoes before but ive never seen a bin of shoes or anything
Benji
Benji6mo ago
I don't think all of them do that lol
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
Yeah on metropolitan I think
Benji
Benji6mo ago
I'm not going back to the LI ones because I don't like driving there Like I live on LI but the big ones are a p annoying drive from me
wetlandman
wetlandman6mo ago
If you’re on the south shore/TOH st Francis de Chantel church in wantagh has a thrift store with actual good prices that you expect from a thrift store
Benji
Benji6mo ago
I'm on the north shore. The small thrifts in my town are not bad, just small
werkinprogress
werkinprogress6mo ago
Benji NYC adventure takes another thread
lyon
lyon6mo ago
i’ve done so many waywt posts in my work sneakers it’s embarrassing most of my fits are supposed to be worn with sneakers or those danners i was wearing in the winter anyways but i always feel awful posting in my no-slip work sneaks when i know for a fact it’d look way nicer paired with my sk8s so most of what footwear does to my fits is make me feel like i’m so close to greatness but restrained by circumstance 😔
lavandism
lavandism6mo ago
I’ll never forget the joy I felt when I realized that switching from production to offices also meant no longer wearing safety shoes
adaptation
adaptation6mo ago
It fucked over my fit for today Same fr Especially because my closet is still in its infancy
sioku
sioku6mo ago
good example of different vibes with footwear. Suit and tie are the same but the shirt is different lol also im wearing glasses
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Shrimp my Ride
Shrimp my Ride6mo ago
God those bucks are good
sioku
sioku6mo ago
i love them so much they really make any outfit with them a decidedly SUMMER fit which is why i do think that footwear impacts this if this was a choice between tassels or pennys or hell tassels vs derbies (both brown) id be like "okay it doesn't really matter" but in the above, the white bucks is SUMMER where as the tassel loafer one could be anyday
lavandism
lavandism6mo ago
We are getting scientific about footwear nice!
Shrimp my Ride
Shrimp my Ride5mo ago
Yeah, I keep looking at fits you post with them and thinking I'm going to need a pair.
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