A Cowboy Without a Cowboy Hat? - Topic of the day 7/12/24

Can you be a cowboy without wearing a cowboy hat? Or dress in ivy without a navy blazer? Or dress in streetwear without sneakers? How can you convey a particular aesthetic without the "traditional" items associated with it?
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seth
seth6mo ago
yankee w no brim??
Holfram
Holfram6mo ago
I don’t think there’s any style where there’s one item that’s necessary to make it work. Obviously if you swap out all the parts of an outfit it’s going to read differently (if only xy style „adjacent“), but overall an aesthetic can just as well be conveyed by silhouette or just „vibes“. Art‘s cut off double knees come to mind here. Many looks he wears them in read ivy to me even though the shorts as a piece of clothing are pretty far from ivy.
Smiles
Smiles6mo ago
whoever fucking wrote this im gonna fight them
carrion
carrion6mo ago
"streetwear without sneakers" on sight
Smiles
Smiles6mo ago
me explaining how sneakers aren't some integral part of streetwear to mfa
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Digs
Digs6mo ago
I’m all cattle no hat unfortunately
ttocs
ttocs6mo ago
Yes
zeometer
zeometer6mo ago
i think people can sometimes get hooked onto specific items of an aesthetic without considering the fact that usually a style is tied to a feeling that can be expressed in multiple ways
Smiles
Smiles6mo ago
anyway the answer is yes this isn't some deep fucking philosophical question
zeometer
zeometer6mo ago
i was gonna say something else but we can lock this one up i guess
Smiles
Smiles6mo ago
lmao im just in bad mood and whoever wrote this stupid question didn't help
Digs
Digs6mo ago
I think this does bring up a conversation of how to dress in aesthetic that doesn’t come off as just cosplay
Smiles
Smiles6mo ago
Holfram
Holfram6mo ago
Alright guys pack it up, discussion is over. Smiles doesn’t want to.
Digs
Digs6mo ago
I like western wear but there is a fine line between pretending to be a cowboy and looking good Expert mode is pulling off a fedora in a way that doesnt look like cosplay or look like shit
ttocs
ttocs6mo ago
Ya I feel that if you’ve associated one item with the aesthetic it will come off costumey
Smiles
Smiles6mo ago
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Smiles
Smiles6mo ago
whole lookbook of westernwear 0 cowboy hats ok 1 cowboy hat
ttocs
ttocs6mo ago
As if your goal is to look like a cowboy specifically as opposed to drawing some elements from it
Smiles
Smiles6mo ago
hell not even cowboy boots
Digs
Digs6mo ago
Like alot of RRL western stuff comes off as costumey to me tbh
Smiles
Smiles6mo ago
long story short :skillissue:
Holfram
Holfram6mo ago
@Talbot nails that
Digs
Digs6mo ago
Yah tal and ethan both
Holfram
Holfram6mo ago
Yeah but Ethan’s just playing a whole different game at this point He’s like a well dressed time traveller
Yakkeks
Yakkeks6mo ago
0 cowboy boots
Esper
Esper6mo ago
>whole lookbook of westernwear with no cowboy hats >first picture >cowboy hat :SCsmug:
Digs
Digs6mo ago
I do feel like i run into this issue alot and i believe its more nuanced than it seems in the surface. Like with western wear i wanna incorporate something like a bolo tie. But it has to be the right bolo tie or else it’ll look like a costume
ttocs
ttocs6mo ago
And the wording of the question is problematic, can you be a cowboy without the hat? Of course… this is just fashion and style it has only tangential relationship to your larger identity. Defining yourself solely by what you wear is kind of lame Ok I’m in a bad mood too I think :xd:
Digs
Digs6mo ago
This can go for lots of stuff where a certain item or aesthetic needs to be executed in a specific way as to not appear like a cosplay
circleframes
circleframes6mo ago
This is kind of the better conversation How do to a style that’s kind of a prepackaged look
Holfram
Holfram6mo ago
I think overplaying some parts and underplaying others usually works to define what you want to look like usually.
sharloy
sharloy6mo ago
I thought we decided streetwear is rare jordans, bulls flat brim cap, black pullover hoodie and black regular fit jeans
stevie
stevie6mo ago
would go crazy on r/sneakers
circleframes
circleframes6mo ago
I feel like I struggle with this. Like “oh I’m doing an x style look today” and that feels not as fun but if I break out of that it can feel disjointed a little. Like I just threw shit on
Digs
Digs6mo ago
Definitely or you have to fully lean into like Warp for example. He pulls it off though really well. This is wear the swag element comes into play cause i think it could very easily feel like cosplay if done in not a perfectly detailed way
stevie
stevie6mo ago
throw that mf shit on accept the bricks for the love of the game
circleframes
circleframes6mo ago
To your credit though @Digs you also have a really cohesive style that doesn’t feel gimmicky
Digs
Digs6mo ago
Thank you! It took me a lot of time to dial it in and i feel like some of my early moves into my style were super cosplay looking
Holfram
Holfram6mo ago
Tbf Warp is Cowboy adjacent for a living. If I were to wear a bolo tie I’d choose a gaudy one and then maybe a western shirt too, but I’d try not to include any other western elements lest it look like costume. I feel like that’s what’s in it for us regular guys.
Digs
Digs6mo ago
Like this is one from a few years ago and looking back it feels like a cosplay and not a fit
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carrion
carrion6mo ago
Idk I don't really agree with that because at a glance I wouldn't be able to know what somebody does for a living in any meaningful way
Holfram
Holfram6mo ago
It’s really cool how much dope surplus and workwear you managed to dig up in a bigger size. I’m pretty envious of that (esp. your chinos with the red stain). I also applaud your bravery to wear like fucked up t shirts and stuff too.
carrion
carrion6mo ago
unless: skinny navy suit light brown leather shoes
circleframes
circleframes6mo ago
Woah ya that is cool to see because all of it is still so u but yeah ur personality comes thru less
Holfram
Holfram6mo ago
I think it’s the hat in what is pretty obviously warm weather tbh
Digs
Digs6mo ago
Totally, and its only subtle stuff like the beanie and the boots make it really try hard
circleframes
circleframes6mo ago
Yeah like swap the bag out or toss on a regular cap (like u do now), you’ve grown your hair out etc And it’s way chiller n fun
Digs
Digs6mo ago
Compare to this which is essentially the same outfit but with slight modifications
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circleframes
circleframes6mo ago
Yeah deadass
Yakkeks
Yakkeks6mo ago
Honestly I feel like the cosplay argument half the time is just a rationalization of ones own insecurity
ttocs
ttocs6mo ago
I should check out wythe
circleframes
circleframes6mo ago
If those damn shirts were even a little cheaper
Holfram
Holfram6mo ago
It’s also fine to not be comfortable in everything though.
Yakkeks
Yakkeks6mo ago
Absolutely I have no issue with personal uncomfortability
Digs
Digs6mo ago
Anyway to tie back into the main topic, do you need a hat to he a cowboy? No but you do need to figure out the delicate balance of achieving an aesthetic in a way that is natural and stylish without feeling forced, or not leaning enough into it to get the aesthetic at all
Holfram
Holfram6mo ago
But I feel like we’ve all tried to fit into one niche in the past and failed at that because it just wasn’t us. When I was around 20 I tried so hard to go full ivy but it just didn’t stick because it wasn’t me. I’m not a guy that wears leather shoes everyday, or ties or blazers. And I’ve learned that my fits get better the more I just try to be myself. And that’s the same point really - there’s no use forcing a look, it’ll come off wrong.
Smiles
Smiles6mo ago
>cowboy adjacent for a living >lives in massachusetts uh huh
circleframes
circleframes6mo ago
Yeah like for me. These 3 fits are all kind of in a mold. 80’s Japan. Mfad house style. Grungy. And they all feel like me but also maybe feel a little safe. Like I’m checking boxes
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ttocs
ttocs6mo ago
I’m playing rdr2 right now, I’m legit
circleframes
circleframes6mo ago
But maybe that’s just life when u have multiple interests idk
Yakkeks
Yakkeks6mo ago
I really like the 80s Japan btw
Digs
Digs6mo ago
Yah i think its better to play safe if you jump styles alot. Its hard to achieve like a Bill or Joel look with out fully leaning into the the aesthetic
carrion
carrion6mo ago
circ fwiw all of that just looks like circ to me. like I can see the inspo from other styles but also it just reads as circ.
circleframes
circleframes6mo ago
That’s so flattering thank you!! I struggle to see that sometimes but I’m glad it’s all reading as authentic That’s actually a rlly good way of thinking about ty If I wanted to explore any of these aesthetics more I’d kind of have to commit n spend the money
lyon
lyon6mo ago
to the “streetwear without sneakers” question i raise boots like docs or timbs depends on the individual fit of course but like there are options (you just kind of end up blending aesthetics while doing it i think)
Yakkeks
Yakkeks6mo ago
I think this thread has inspired me to put some outfit variations on and see where the uncanney valley of cosplay-land starts. Gonna post that in #styling-suggestions once im through. Because Im trying to dial in that westernwear look rn and it certainly has come up
Talbot
Talbot6mo ago
Speaking specifically of western wear and my personal style, I like to just give a slight hint of elements of my previous life. I grew up in middle of nowhere texas and cowboy boots are my preferred choice for that, like todays fit. I actually don't like western shirts on myself and I own now western belts. I generally prefer work shirts over them so i dont project too much western. I don't own a cowboy hat but all my fedoras are wide brimmed to just give that hint of western vibe. Actually I do own one but it's just for fishing.
Yakkeks
Yakkeks6mo ago
(primarily bc im stubborn and want to wear my cowboy hat lol)
zeometer
zeometer6mo ago
i think there's some common themes between them (rolled and cropped hem, relatively low profile shoe) that makes it more like "circ attempting a different aesthetic" vs "circ cosplaying as [blank]" i think there's value in that specifically when trying a different aesthetic - it grounds the look in something authentic to you
ttocs
ttocs6mo ago
also i think the styles are "normal" enough they dont evoke a costume you can legitimately dress up in a cowboy costume not sure anyone would get it if you dressed up in a ocbd and loafers
Yakkeks
Yakkeks6mo ago
yeah, there is a throughline there aesthetically
zeometer
zeometer6mo ago
to answer the question asked, yes - I'd consider these westernwear inspired despite not actually wearing a cowboy hat or boots
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zeometer
zeometer6mo ago
it didn't so much feel like a costume as these were things i owned and wore repeatedly, it's moreso the combination hit in a certain way
Talbot
Talbot6mo ago
Agreed
lyon
lyon6mo ago
you look like the guy driving the horse trailer to the rodeo it’s that kind of westernwear
zeometer
zeometer6mo ago
though ig part of that also comes down to context; it's easier to do something like this since i don't have the expectation of a) being in an office where i'd have to dress in a particular dress code or b) in a particular environment where i'd be scrutinized moreso for not hitting all the details
AndrewA
AndrewA6mo ago
In Nashville it’s hard to wear a cowboy hat without looking like a tourist They were much more common when I lived in rural California But yes you can be a cowboy without a cowboy hat. You just need a beat up trucker hat instead
circleframes
circleframes6mo ago
Oh THAT is interesting like okay what r my universal truths/constants that ground me no matter what style I’m in, or whatever I’m throwing on
Yakkeks
Yakkeks6mo ago
zeo is really good at putting these into words, I think he also described my style motifs in a similar manner once
warpweftwatergate
Well start with this: my family isn’t from here and I try to not consider myself to be from anywhere specific—that said, western MA has some of the highest concentration of sustainable farmland in the northeast, and in the more rural towns no one bats an eye at a cowboy hat, or boots, etc. It is genuinely a completely different world. Plus we have so many transplants from the Midwest as well. I appreciate this shout out ❤️ I am comfortable dressing how I dress partially because how I grew up and partially because I play country music. It’s easy to fall into it when your family and friends dress similarly. I’m not sure if you meant for a living like, my job (false, unless we count cowboy shooting (hobby) or music (side hustle), or if you just meant I do this look all the time 24/7 (true) But if it’s work, I’m in sales lol That’s not to say I don’t dress like this for my job
Holfram
Holfram6mo ago
I don’t know just the whole lifestyle I guess.
warpweftwatergate
Yeah, I’ll cotton to this, I’m nothing if not consistent lol
Esper
Esper6mo ago
the Cubicle Cowboy :joecowboy:
warpweftwatergate
To my credit, I’m usually on the road or wfh I sell to manufacturers, they tend to appreciate the cowboy thing
Holfram
Holfram6mo ago
The tiki mug rocks!
warpweftwatergate
Another weird hobby I picked up during Covid LOL This is a phenomenal take This is so good too
yung_flynn
yung_flynn6mo ago
It’s possible to hold or be influenced by multiple different identities or experiences as well.
warpweftwatergate
This is a great point as well. When I’m doing the shooting stuff I lean harder into it because it’s literally a part of the sport. Day to day is a bit more modern leaning. But it never feels like cosplay (to me, ymmv)
yung_flynn
yung_flynn6mo ago
For example, I grew up in what would be considered a blue collar, poor, redneck family. Workwear was mostly the default (denim, work shirts, etc.). At the same time, my high school school experience was heavily shaped by hip hop music and style (baggy pants, rugbies, etc). I also have a PhD and went deep in the academic track
punchouli
punchouli6mo ago
A true Parrothead wouldnt be caught dead without his flipflops. When Margaritaville plays are you gonna gesture down towards your novestas? Get real
yung_flynn
yung_flynn6mo ago
Wearing full navy blazer, OCBD, repp tie would feel inauthentic to who I am but so would going full-on workwear in my 9-5 chemist office job. However I find myself pulling from various aspects of my own experience in ways that make sense and feel true to who I am There are practical aspects to these things as well. I like loafers for example. However if I’m in lab (more and more rare by the week unfortunately) at work loafers are a slip hazard death sentence while boots are very practical
warpweftwatergate
@punchouli true parrot heads don’t wear flip flops at all 🫡
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warpweftwatergate
Also damn I lost weight since last year lmao
punchouli
punchouli6mo ago
Perhaps the only acceptable alternative
damb
damb6mo ago
It's the beanie Tiny hat makes any fit a meme
Digs
Digs6mo ago
I do love my tiny hat even if its a meme haha. I stick to wearing it in winter now tho
damb
damb6mo ago
I love tiny hats as much as the next guy, winter makes sense tbh - wearing a tiny hat in the summer is crazy (I still see it to this day)
Digs
Digs6mo ago
I also just hate when a beanie covers my ears it feels bad lol
Holfram
Holfram6mo ago
Esp when you’ve got earphones in or sth
Spuck
Spuck6mo ago
cowboy hat is probably the hardest part of cowboy shit to style if you don't live in a place where they're common honestly super easy to get the vibe without it
Yakkeks
Yakkeks6mo ago
I think part of it is that most hats by now are pretty uncommon
Spuck
Spuck6mo ago
huge thing yeah
Yakkeks
Yakkeks6mo ago
But yeah, I really struggle with including mine in a somewhat serious fit on the other hand in the instances when it works the reactions have been by and large pretty positive
Spuck
Spuck6mo ago
I have a huge head so honestly Ive not been tempted. The boots are the big one for me Your fits are great, really enjoy watching your exploration of it
Yakkeks
Yakkeks6mo ago
yeah, I have a big noggin as well, need a size 64 in hats. Basically the only reason I have mine is because i stumbled across a cowboy hat while thrifting which actually fit me and took that as a sign that it was meant to be.
Spuck
Spuck6mo ago
It is a sign for sure
warpweftwatergate
One of my fave older fits of mine is from when I had to wear suits for work but they were pretty loosey goosey on everything other than “suit” so I played around a lot with the cowboy stuff but with tailoring Tryna find a good example lol
Talbot
Talbot6mo ago
Now a western suit would be cool af
warpweftwatergate
Okay here we go
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warpweftwatergate
These are just a few It was this section of time where I still had a decent amount of designer stuff that I was wearing frequently
Talbot
Talbot6mo ago
Hot damn
warpweftwatergate
But I was really starting to lean full on into just like…dressing like my gramps in the 60s lol
Talbot
Talbot6mo ago
That blazer fit bruhhhhhh Yeah you nailed that
warpweftwatergate
L u x e c o w b o y
Talbot
Talbot6mo ago
Heels and bell bottoms look so fucking good
warpweftwatergate
I don’t dress like this very often anymore but I’ll pull it outta my back pocket once in a blue moon I still have most of these pieces I think
Talbot
Talbot6mo ago
Are those black jeans or slacks? In the last two fits
warpweftwatergate
Flared, verrrry faint pinstripe trousers
Talbot
Talbot6mo ago
Rad
warpweftwatergate
It’s actually the same pair in all the fits with trousers lol
Talbot
Talbot6mo ago
Ha wtf
warpweftwatergate
:xd: I def still have those somewhere, have to get em re-tailored
Talbot
Talbot6mo ago
First two I can clearly see the stripes
awburkey
awburkey6mo ago
Have you seen the wellema tee shirts?
Digs
Digs6mo ago
No i dunno what that is
awburkey
awburkey6mo ago
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Digs
Digs6mo ago
Wear that so i can rub my stolen valor in their faces
jawntanamo_bae
jawntanamo_bae6mo ago
jokes on you I look good and play pretend
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jawntanamo_bae
jawntanamo_bae6mo ago
Oh cool, stuff from Wellema I can actually afford 😎 Those flares fuck dude
warpweftwatergate
They’re Goochi 😏
jawntanamo_bae
jawntanamo_bae6mo ago
Hot
Yakkeks
Yakkeks6mo ago
Tailoring with western stuff is just :chefskiss:
jfarrell468
jfarrell4686mo ago
Anyway, no, you can't be ivy without a navy blazer. 😘
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