The Capsule Wardrobe - Topic of the day 7/9/24

It seems lately everyone has a capsule wardrobe how-to but: what even is a capsule wardrobe? What benefits or drawbacks exist with organizing your clothes in this way? Is there an "ideal" capsule wardrobe to you, and if so, what specific number of items or types of items are part of it? Or is this mostly hype?
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seth
seth4mo ago
ideal wardrobe: one romp-him and flip flops
rej
rej4mo ago
board shorts, bucket hat, paddleboard ideal for all circumstances
ClassClown
ClassClown4mo ago
I started this way, thinking I need X of this and X of that, versatility, etc.. It's fine and helpful, but easy to get bored. Now I would define it as "this stuff fits and I can throw it on," versus other things I have that need a little care in pairing or fit. That said, when an outfit works regardless of pieces, it's now capsulized within the "oh shit I'm late" column
I'm Lagging
I'm Lagging4mo ago
a capsule wardrobe definitely has to include a lion and a witch imo
algoresky
algoresky4mo ago
I used to like a capsule wardrobe because I traveled a ton for work. I now am pretty much home - I do not like a capsule wardrobe. I like clothes too much to limit what I have in the name of Versatility and an arbitrary limitation of quantity of things
njoyer
njoyer4mo ago
in my mind a capsule wardrobe is like a 30-40ish or lower item wardrobe where everything is streamlined to go with as many things as possible so you can keep mixing and matching without feeling burnout. ive only really seen anyone talk about this in the YouTube fashion space where former people with spending issues have implemented them to drastically cut down spending. for me, i do not like them. if everything is versatile then everything blends together and gets boring to look at. i need freedom to try bolder things that don't necessarily go with everything. that's just what's fun to me
sharloy
sharloy4mo ago
If you think about it, a small brand like Basketcase or No Maintenance’s seasonal collections are just capsule wardrobes
rej
rej4mo ago
fwiw i basically have a capsule wardrobe, but for practical reasons, as i struggle with colors. so i've pretty deliberately put it together so that everything is more or less interchangeable
ClassClown
ClassClown4mo ago
Yea, those videos also seem to base everything on color, which is fine, but texture and silhouette are hard to play with in a capsule
sam
sam4mo ago
my "capsule wardrobe" is essentially my regular wardrobe but i only pick one or two of the vibes; i.e. slouchy business casual, formal-ish ann d stuff, streetwear, biker rick, etc. and then distill them a lil because as it is, my wardrobe is pretty disjointed because of all the things i tried while i was first getting into experimental fashion that ended up sticking for one reason or another
njoyer
njoyer4mo ago
zeo and i had a little conversation about them yesterday and he said you gotta do hella more laundry which um no thanks
ClassClown
ClassClown4mo ago
Yea like, smart casual is required for my work. Capsuling definitely has uses there. Just a snooze.
algoresky
algoresky4mo ago
I think the youtubers who wear 5 wool tees and a pair of Outlier™ climbers for a year straight are probably literally smelly. They also all seem to conclude "after a year of this I really liked being able to wear more things"
sam
sam4mo ago
and as much as i love to sacrifice comfort for looking cunt i simply cannot do it every day so for that reason i think i will always have some basic streetwear things in my closet like maybe i put a boot on instead of a sneaker but i'm still wearing what comes out to cargo pants and a t shirt
njoyer
njoyer4mo ago
also when people talk capsule wardrobes are they like divided by season like this is my summer one this is my winter one
Yakkeks
Yakkeks4mo ago
A friend of mine does "capsule wardrobe of the month" as a creative challenge to himself, where he selects a set amount of pieces from his wardrobe and restricts himself to only wearing those for the month. Not my cup of tea, but propably a fun exercise to force yourself to think of new ways to wear the same clothes
zacheadams
zacheadams4mo ago
usually yes but it's funny that this happens bc like any place that has srs climate differences between seasons not like ur wearing ur summer garb in winter unless it's under a coat and ur just strictly not wearing ur winter garb in summer sometimes I see ppl change palettes or even full aesthetics but I don't think the Capsule Wardrobe label was necessary to say "this is what I wear in summer" etc maybe maybe not, I basically do this and sorry to flex but I am not smelly
sam
sam4mo ago
i might be a weird case but even living in the northeast i keep almost everything i own in the closet year round and tend to wear all off it except like a heavy coat in the summer
zacheadams
zacheadams4mo ago
tag kyn and he'll show up to confirm this as true (angrily) I'm living the meme of same raws yearround like 100++ wears and just never wash
algoresky
algoresky4mo ago
people cannot be the appropriate judge their own smells 😉
goofus
goofus4mo ago
I think capsule is a good nickname for my tiny 1br apartment closet.
zacheadams
zacheadams4mo ago
see: https://discord.com/channels/1116793467654381685/1260264203332092018/1260268083918934099 honestly agree but that's also just small apt/small closet
algoresky
algoresky4mo ago
@kyn when you're around @discord solipsist z do you repeat the smelly smell lines from spongebob
zacheadams
zacheadams4mo ago
like I think my actual full wardrobe is as small as some peoples' capsule wardrobes
algoresky
algoresky4mo ago
this is critical to the thread
zacheadams
zacheadams4mo ago
I think this is in part a matter, again, of the practiced behavior of the capsule wardrobe if you were to ask me what I think a capsule wardrobe would be, size-wize, ideally in my head I'd think of a vintage LV wardrobe trunk if it fits in there, it's a capsule wardrobe
sam
sam4mo ago
i should do a count at some point. i'm gonna guess like 80-100 things
zacheadams
zacheadams4mo ago
you can put it on a fucking private train car and live out of it, but it's probably got 4 or 5 outfits at most
sam
sam4mo ago
for a capsule wardrobe i'm thinking like a largeish suitcase yeah
zacheadams
zacheadams4mo ago
mine is at ~70 and probably less than that if you exclude some stuff I doubt most people here would include, and it's shrinking
briquebrutale
briquebrutale4mo ago
a capsule wardrobe is great when you are moving around a lot; before I graduated from university I moved to five different places during my bachelors and masters.
zacheadams
zacheadams4mo ago
I could start counting my socks and boxers in there and probably barely crack 100 items anyways this thread is another one for me to soapbox to all of you that you do not need so many things, you would do better with less, and you can have a far more diverse wardrobe than mine and still do that
algoresky
algoresky4mo ago
Are you approaching your wardrobe with the Intention of it being a Capsule Wardobe?
zacheadams
zacheadams4mo ago
ultimately mine strictly is in the sense that I wear a subset of items almost exclusively in the spring and summer and a subset almost exclusively in the fall and winter the boxers stay the same but I switch tees and socks to longer ones there are like 2 pairs of shorts I wear in the summer and 2 pairs of pants I wear in the winter, plus a pair of jeans year round
algoresky
algoresky4mo ago
for sure, but I feel like Intent matters. I love your idea of defining a Capsule Wardrobe as one you can stuff in a 1950s airplane suitcase. That as the arbitrary limiter versus "I have a small closet" greatly changes how someone approaches what they own, imo as it gives a very different intent to what you decide to own, even if ultimately you have the same Storage Space
seth
seth4mo ago
what counts as clothes in a wardrobe like do undies count
sam
sam4mo ago
i probably wouldn’t count it unless your main concern is space
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
To me, the interesting thing about the idea of a capsule wardrobe is identifying a small number of pieces that capture the core of your style, while also being mix-and-match, so you can pretty much wear everything with everything else. The reality of capsule wardrobes, for me, is "why bother?", except maybe in the case of travel.
zacheadams
zacheadams4mo ago
that's what I mean, I might start counting them on my list sox too
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
But travel is weird too, because for longer trips I try to avoid cotton and wear wool and synthetics that are easy to wash in a hotel sink and dry quickly. Which I haven't managed to make terribly stylish...yet.
zeometer
zeometer4mo ago
once upon a time pre-mfa my wardrobe was this- https://www.reddit.com/r/capsulewardrobe/s/SOgX6DnVyx
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zeometer
zeometer4mo ago
and it was good for what it was - the things went together, it fit my lifestyle, i wasn't woefully out of place
femto
femto4mo ago
This would be great in green, blue etc
zeometer
zeometer4mo ago
the issue for me was primarily, as some said, laundry because i have come to not enjoy doing it multiple times per week a secondary issue was variety in fits, which led to me joining mfa and well, the rest is history
seth
seth4mo ago
50 t shirts 2 pants 1 undie 2 right socks 3 left socks
zeometer
zeometer4mo ago
i do think there's value in it, either as a way to segment diametetrically opposed parts of your wardrobe or as a sort of "exploration" of a theme i think it being commodified in the way it has been lately is INSANE given the justifications are usually about reducing clothing waste or supporting ethical consumption (also worth noting the "traditional" definition of a capsule wardrobe- a small supplement to a wardrobe of basics - has largely been lost to time aside from, oddly enough, clothing retailers)
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
I was actually thinking recently about what my core-James capsule wardrobe would be. What I came up with for Spring/Fall is: Pants: Blue 501s, OG-107s, PRL Andrew khaki chinos Shirts: white tee, blue OCBD, and, um, something else Jackets: gray herringbone blazer, navy blue chore coat Shoes: white canvas sneakers, brown penny loafers Bonus: a fair isle sweater and a tie
Weeg
Weeg4mo ago
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zeometer
zeometer4mo ago
if i had that sfc suit best believe i would wear it daily
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
The problem, though, is that all of that is relatively boring. I'm wearing something very close to OG-107s, white tee, blue chore coat, and canvas sneakers today. But actually I'm wearing a patchwork overshirt that's much more interesting, and that makes all the difference.
zeometer
zeometer4mo ago
i mean if it's true to you then who cares the issue i find is people rejecting their tastes to look like a cos lookbook
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
But I guess knowing what your theoretical "capsule" is gives you a way to know if a more interesting "statement" piece would work for you or not.
zeometer
zeometer4mo ago
that's kind of how my wardrobe is shaking up
awburkey
awburkey4mo ago
I think it's reddit-brain that has attached these minimalism, min/max, boring vibes to ideas like a capsule wardrobe. It's just a collection of clothes that all work together.
zeometer
zeometer4mo ago
decent amount of Basic Clothes (albeit some a little less basic) and then a separate set of Fun Clothes that get mixed in
awburkey
awburkey4mo ago
I find that the most limiting factor to a capsule wardrobe for me is that I'm not that interested in compromising how I want to dress for an occasion with the size of my wardrobe.
femto
femto4mo ago
I do have major trips coming down the pipeline and I've thought about what to bring: probably pink OCBD, chinos, fatigues... And then louder stuff like a Madras shirt, sukajan, DB blazer if I have one by then.
zeometer
zeometer4mo ago
that said I'm not going to not wear things that i enjoy just for the sake of owning an arbitrary number of clothes once you start compromising on aspects of your lifestyle just for the sake of fitting your clothes into a nice round box i think it loses its value
awburkey
awburkey4mo ago
I'm WFH but any time I get the chance to go to a wedding, out to dinner, a get together with friends, etc. I'm just really excited to wear fun clothes. If my life was different maybe then I would be more inclined to limit my wardrobe or optimize in that way but it's just not interesting to me. I have a "capsule" wardrobe of what I just throw on to wear at home when I'm working but I don't really consider those "fits" tbh I in some ways admire folks that have been able to refine their tastes and get off fits with a small wardrobe that works really well for their lives. That's just not me I really dislike all of the boring listicle "Men's Essential Capsule Wardrobe" stuff. Most men do not need a navy blazer or whatever.
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
100%. There is no single capsule for all people. It's inherently a personal thing.
awburkey
awburkey4mo ago
MFAD house style is it's own capsule wardrobe but I find the framing of Springboard wardrobe to be far more interesting and empowering.
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awburkey
awburkey4mo ago
Not to discount capsule wardrobes, that particular optimization just doens't interest me and I'd rather fuss with fitting all of my clothes in my closet than making sure they all can be worn with all of my wardrobe
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
But I do kinda think that most men need a navy blazer. (Joking...sort of 😃 )
awburkey
awburkey4mo ago
I find the opposite super interesting. Maybe that's a different totd tho
femto
femto4mo ago
Oh I couldn't remember what this post was called but stuff from it was living in my head rent free, "Most men are either a Chino Guy or Denim Guy, rarely both to equal degrees" etc
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
I think identifying your core pieces is a very useful thought exercise. @The Teenage Gentleman lol had a blog post about this that I really appreciated, even though I personally don't need multiple double-breasted suits. 😄 I'm Loud Shirt Guy.
Nayyyyy
Nayyyyy4mo ago
Even the name of springboard wardrobe is pretty cool. Derek when he was cool.
Yakkeks
Yakkeks4mo ago
I think there can be something aspirational in knowing your personal style well enough that you are able to condense it into a relatively small amount of items. I think capsule wardrobes might have become a fantasy of contentment "only these three items and then my capsule wardrobe is complete and i can live a happy life" (im cynical about this)
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
god beans is just so right cannot believe he linked derek but hes so right alright the derek article is bad but the idea is good
awburkey
awburkey4mo ago
It's v Derek-coded yeah but the mindset change from "12 ESSENTIALS EVERy REAL MAN SHOULD HAVE OR you WON"T GET LAID" is refreshing
sharloy
sharloy4mo ago
I like Derek long form
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
the idea is amazing his recs are terrible lmao
sharloy
sharloy4mo ago
But when he becomes zinger twitter Derek he’s kinda insufferable
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
the problem is the article is extremely derek coded his springboard is "jeans/chinos, ocbd, navy sports coat, sweater"
awburkey
awburkey4mo ago
hey don't forget about the pearl snap western! /s that's a wild choice
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
like thats a terrible springboard but the idea of a springboard is amazing
sharloy
sharloy4mo ago
It was made in 2021 But he also uses the word stylish which is slim chino coded
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
thats cause derek is slim chino coded but im a capsule wardrobe hater cause i feel like the term has mostly evolved to mean the most boring wardrobe possible which obviously has already been covered in this thread
awburkey
awburkey4mo ago
I'll take a lot of derek slander, but idt he's a slim chino guy
awburkey
awburkey4mo ago
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femto
femto4mo ago
Not great for quite a lot of people, definitely
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
valid
femto
femto4mo ago
It's crazy reading blog posts and stuff from just 2021 and how people say like, I know it's a big leap but why not give wide pants a try
carrion
carrion4mo ago
It's hilarious how gently you have to speak to men to try new things huh
walter_crunkite
walter_crunkite4mo ago
i agree with zach/beans
sharloy
sharloy4mo ago
Because new = gay
walter_crunkite
walter_crunkite4mo ago
unfortunately the term has become so associated with slim fit boring tech guy bullshit but it doesn't have to be!
zeometer
zeometer4mo ago
right!
walter_crunkite
walter_crunkite4mo ago
when i travelled for christmas i didn't want to a check a bag so i brough 3 pants and 4 tops that all went with each other and honestly i really enjoyed it, i just brought the pieces i liked the most and i think i looked good every day
Yakkeks
Yakkeks4mo ago
Yeah, I usually do this when travelling
zacheadams
zacheadams4mo ago
oh wait you meant tech as in employment not tech as in techwear
zeometer
zeometer4mo ago
honestly traveling poses a fun challenge of distilling your wardrobe essence into a single bag or whatever size your luggage is
walter_crunkite
walter_crunkite4mo ago
i don't think i have a huuuuge wardrobe to start with too
zeometer
zeometer4mo ago
i can see the benefit of this as a creative exercise but longterm not really i don't buy a lot of clothes, i don't usually make impulse buys and i usually offload stuff i dislike pretty efficiently
walter_crunkite
walter_crunkite4mo ago
anyway the end goal should be looking and feeling good and there's people out there who both look and feel good with like 2 pairs of pants total and i don't think there's anything wrong with that and i don't think you have to be constantly pushing your wardrobe and trying new stuff to still engage with fashion and enjoy it as a hobby
zeometer
zeometer4mo ago
say it louder for the folks in the back (not that there's anything wrong with pushing your wardrobe or trying new stuff, as long as it's not negatively affecting your life have at it)
Saint Laurent
Saint Laurent4mo ago
I think the concept of a capsule wardrobe would be the same as the versatility subject except this time it demands a minimalistic approach and having much fewer pieces.
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
I thought his recs were good, or at least close to my personal core style. I mean, it's not far off what I posted above as my capsule.
Saint Laurent
Saint Laurent4mo ago
basically it's giving off empty warehouse core where you have a wooden pallet as your bed frame
Saint Laurent
Saint Laurent4mo ago
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jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
Lol two pillows. Self-indulgent plutocrat
Saint Laurent
Saint Laurent4mo ago
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Saint Laurent4mo ago
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carrion
carrion4mo ago
dereks suggestions are great if u wanna dress like derek
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
Jeans and chinos are derek-coded? What would you recommend for a springboard wardrobe?
carrion
carrion4mo ago
I wouldnt.
Yakkeks
Yakkeks4mo ago
I mean I think he is pretty spot on about either being a jeans or a chino guy lol
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
So you object to the concept rather than the actual recommendations?
sharloy
sharloy4mo ago
I mean I was neither for a very long time and now I’m coming back to jeans And I don’t think my definition of jeans fits his idea of a jeans guy
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
No its stupidly formal for a springboard thats the problem with derek fucking wanna talk about garments 90% of men don't need - OCBDs and Sports coats
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
It suits me. But I see that it's more subjective than I initially thought.
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
also shetland sweaters doesn't mention tee shirts either which is extra funny since those are absolutely the base garment for 90% of people
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
So if someone said "I want to dress better", would you avoid all general guidelines?
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
no
carrion
carrion4mo ago
That's exactly my point. I don't object to the concept of a springboard wardrobe and I also think Derek's recommendations suck.
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
I'm curious what you would recommend instead
carrion
carrion4mo ago
Idk where you're getting these mutually exclusive concepts to tbh it's not derek or nothing
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
I think my guidelines would be tee shirts, jeans (literally wtf does he mean by "jean guy"), slacks, a sweater, and a few casual light jacket options (harringtons, field, denim, etc - this is personal preference)
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
Thanks, and sorry. I'm trying to understand your position, not be argumentative
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
maybe a single OCBD and tie if you find yourself craving that once you have the basics from there sports coats are so overrated, just wear a normal light jacket over a shirt and tie without being limited by the formality of the garment see: like 90% of arts casual dressing in the fall if you do that a ton then get a sports coat you'll kinda know when you feel limited from like that super super barebones wardrobe it will come naturally
Yakkeks
Yakkeks4mo ago
Sport coats can be really fun. But I tend to agree that they are not a basic by any metric. Though I don't get the american ivy obsession with having it as unstructured as possible tbh
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
Interesting. I find that Harringtons and similar jackets don't really vibe with me.
sharloy
sharloy4mo ago
I think Derek gives good tailoring advice in terms of formality, wearing what you like, and some popular tailoring trends but yeah he’s not really in tune to fashion Like all his inspos are from decades earlier which is fine if you want to dress that way But usually when people want to dress better they want to at least kind of be trendy
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
sports coats and OCBD are not versatile in general, not used in any workwear styles, not used in streetwear im super over them as recs they are great for ivy and ivy adjecent
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
But I see your point that maybe a blazer is something to maybe get later if you want/need. Not because Internet Menswear Man says it's something Every Man Needs
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
or like, 70s throwback
sharloy
sharloy4mo ago
And sport coats aren’t on the fashion forefront for a lot of people and honestly have no place in a capsule wardrobe. Either full formality or ditch the sport coat. No one I know wears sport coats A blazer for someone who dresses prep or ivy or trad is good for their capsule wardrobe just as baggy cargos and a cropped hoodie are good for someone into streetwear’s capsule wardrobe Neither are must haves In fact I don’t think there’s a single item that is a must have
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
Except four dudes on the Internet? 😃
carrion
carrion4mo ago
no because u have multiple dudes on the internet telling u otherwise rn lmfao oh four dudes not for dudes 🙃🙃
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
for a springboard i think theres an extremely basic wardrobe that has some real range, but the idea of a springboard that imo derek is missing is it should be limited you should constantly be feeling like "I need this"
sharloy
sharloy4mo ago
Any time I would need to wear a sport coat or navy blazer I can just go one formality up and wear full tailoring or go one formality down and wear something without a blazer
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
because that "I need this" is the whole springboard that is the personal bit
sharloy
sharloy4mo ago
True Like you’re building around something But yea in terms of formality I don’t think that there is ever an event that requires a sport coat but cannot be attended with a suit
njoyer
njoyer4mo ago
I really think mine could be classified the same way but I'm not sure how much of that is on purpose. I don't actually have a crazy variety of clothes I wear in my day to day life. However, I also almost never get rid of clothes, so sometimes I'll pull a really old piece from the closet to see how I'm feeling about it before putting it away again. In terms of what I practically wear though instead of what I experiment with sometimes, it's a pretty small variety.
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
some tech interviews
njoyer
njoyer4mo ago
the only thing i would say genuinely defies the capsule wardrobe idea for me is the amount of shoes i have and will put in and out of rotation
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
also i hate tailoring recs because the fit is too finicky as a starting point
ClassClown
ClassClown4mo ago
Not sure I agree OCBDs aren't versatile / possible in workwear. Are you defining workwear as "stuff that's okay to get dirty?" Genuinely curious
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
if you aren't an "off the rack" person and everything you see is like "get a sports coat" and its like "ya a sports coat that fits you is like $800+" thats a great way to shut down someones interest in fashion
njoyer
njoyer4mo ago
if you can't play football in it it ain't a sports coat
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
i have never found a sports coat that fits, ive been told i cannot wear off the rack tailoring and need a MTM sportscoat luckily, a sportscoat isn't actually a basic plus i have a pseudo-blazer now that fits well enough
njoyer
njoyer4mo ago
i literally think i will never need a sports coat in my life
carrion
carrion4mo ago
heard, shopping for tailoring is an absolute fucking nightmare for me
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
i think wearing a OCBD with workwear 99% of the time, comes across as ivy adjacent more than "workwear" because of the OCBD a denim shirt or mechanic shirt will hit the workwear side way better
ClassClown
ClassClown4mo ago
It probably will
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
hence why i don't think its a basic for a springboard, again i think a springboard should be limiting some people will immediately be wishing for a OCBD and its a natural next step others will wish for a chambray workshirt and thats also a natural next step just like some will wish for double knees or fatigues or cargos or whatever
ClassClown
ClassClown4mo ago
But I also think the "work" landscape of 2024 vs past eras makes me see OCBDs in a different light now than they were seen then.
sharloy
sharloy4mo ago
it’s a tech interview do you really need a blazer if the next guy is showing up with a figma hoodie and on clouds
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
valid
carrion
carrion4mo ago
figma balls
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
Sorry, obscure reference to a recent comment about Paraboots. 😀
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
like this is how i conceptualize a springboard, theres a really small limiting core, and then obvious next steps towards very different styles
carrion
carrion4mo ago
It's also v easy to mistake the genpop's perception of an OCBD tbh. A lot of people I know would consider one to be extremely formal, others I know see em as an everyday whatever piece
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
i kinda want to write a substack about this but i can't write
njoyer
njoyer4mo ago
true leave it to the qualified writers like blackbirdspyplane
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
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carrion
carrion4mo ago
And how often do we get dudes that come in here and say "I've only ever worn basketball shorts and t-shirts but I want to wear other things" who also balk at the idea of an ocbd yk? to smiles earlier point it's just not an essential for so many ppl
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
honestly i think the only essential top is a tee right now
njoyer
njoyer4mo ago
yeah its funny how i cheap out on t shirts when they're by far what i wear the most was just thinking about this
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
few plain tees and a (good) graphic tee will work in pretty much any style down the line
sharloy
sharloy4mo ago
You probably don’t need a graphic tee too
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
This is really interesting, but I also feel like we've pared down the springboard wardrobe so much it's basically stuff that guys already have. Basically "jeans, tshirt, sneakers"
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
well, for me this is about getting into fashion which requires effort yes thats a great starting point because you'll quickly start to realize that "I want this"
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
And that now the springboard wardrobe gets corrupted by the "elevated basics" nonsense, which is way more toxic IMO.
sioku
sioku4mo ago
this is why its all about what do you want to look like you cant sell an OCBD on its own
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
If you're a 25-year-old tech bro who wants to dress better and whose wardrobe is 2 pairs of jeans, 5 tees, and a pair of sneakers, I think you might be better served by trying chinos than replacing your $50 jeans with $500 jeans.
carrion
carrion4mo ago
and this is exactly the point of contention both in this convo & a greater convo abt the server imo: what are we doing? Is the goal to provide "buy this" guides that will be outdated by the time future readers find it, are we teaching people how to think about dressing (like Ben's last article), both? Neither?
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
But, that's just, like, my opinion, man.
njoyer
njoyer4mo ago
my goal is to get mfin fits off idk about u
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
My goal is to have fun and enjoy myself and what I'm wearing. Getting an occasional compliment on my outfit (internet or IRL) is icing on the fashion cake.
njoyer
njoyer4mo ago
i got an irl compliment today feelsgoodman
zacheadams
zacheadams4mo ago
disagree depends what they wanna do but I will die on the cross for sick jawns
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
I guess my feeling is that they may not know what they want to do, much less be able to articulate it.
zacheadams
zacheadams4mo ago
ok that is fair
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
And I speak from personal experience. I had to do some experimentation.
zacheadams
zacheadams4mo ago
but dont shoot strays out at the fades
njoyer
njoyer4mo ago
i really like what you've contributed in this thread btw Zach and i do want to start moving towards not having that much stuff
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
And "maybe try some chinos" is not terrible advice, even if it ends up being wrong for them.
zacheadams
zacheadams4mo ago
I don't mean it as religiously as I say it like not everyone Must cut wardrobe for satisfaction that's how you get into minmax territory but I have found that I have survived being in this hobby (and others) a long time and maintained interest despite progressively buying less
sharloy
sharloy4mo ago
I think in this situation, as a tech bro who can wear whatever he wants and has unlimited money, he has the luxury privilege of not going into tailoring immediately as a stepping stone into fashion
njoyer
njoyer4mo ago
ive noticed a shift lately where im not looking for a suitable thing, im looking for the perfect thing which i think is a good step to buying less and having less
zacheadams
zacheadams4mo ago
maybe I'm being contrarian but I don't think making mistakes is a necessary part of growth in a hobby
sharloy
sharloy4mo ago
Me too and the perfect thing is nicer than having a bunch of could bes
zacheadams
zacheadams4mo ago
I think you should feel comfortable acknowledging the mistakes you make to yourself
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
i sell clothes so i don't feel as bad about buying more
zacheadams
zacheadams4mo ago
and acting on them e.g. you get something, you don't like it, you sell/give it away
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
no interest in smaller wardrobe but i do try to prune so that i dont' get too big and have a closet full of stuff i don't wear
zacheadams
zacheadams4mo ago
but the mentality of trying a bunch of stuff in scattershot knowing you're going to nix some of it is not ideal to me and feels kinda wasteful both of material/money and of brain space
ClassClown
ClassClown4mo ago
I guess what I'm talking about has been called "rugged ivy" lately which by its name I can't argue against you, but I still think it adds to the flexibility. Would it generally still be perceived as "dressing up?" Probably
zacheadams
zacheadams4mo ago
and again u don't need to find the Most Perfect Stuff before buying
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
i think the shift from wanting "good enough" to wanting "perfect" will happen naturally if you get really into fashion and is a trap at first
njoyer
njoyer4mo ago
im drawing so many parallels to therapy right now lol and how just having a generally good and healthy mindset will benefit everything else
zacheadams
zacheadams4mo ago
even stuff that once was perfect doesn't remain so I might get rid of my 992s and 995s even though I love them dearly
njoyer
njoyer4mo ago
true!
zacheadams
zacheadams4mo ago
because I'm apparently truly old man and they're starting to hurt my feet
njoyer
njoyer4mo ago
literally and figuratively tastes change and shit breaks (esp shoes)
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
Yeah, I'm slowly starting to get pickier, and it's tricky. You're ultimately limited by the available sizes and styles out there in the market, unless you design your own fabric and sew your own clothes.
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
well, i'd say you're limited by money
njoyer
njoyer4mo ago
maybe u are 😎 (oh god im broke)
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
Even if you're not (very) limited by money, the really expensive exotic stuff is small production and available in a limited number of sizes. If I'm contemplating spending ludicrous amounts of money on a Yohji jacket (for example), I want it to fit! But https://theshopyohjiyamamoto.com/shop/g/gMJ-J10-132-1-02/ only comes in TWO SIZES! That, to me, is a bigger constraint than the cost.
NEPPED HERRINGBONE JACKET WITH STRIPED POCKET DETAILS(S GREY): Vint...
NEPPED HERRINGBONE JACKET WITH STRIPED POCKET DETAILS(S GREY)
awburkey
awburkey4mo ago
This is a really nice take ty. I'll have to think on it some I think this discussion is also showing a lot of the bias of this server re OCBDs and chinos and stuff. The "rugged neo-ivy" tilt of MFAD's house style isn't the only direction for exploring style and I agree v much with smiles and char about springboard being a good concept but also incredibly personal and there's no one list for it. Those aren't thoughts on capsule wardrobes tho so I'll stop or take it to #fashion
zacheadams
zacheadams4mo ago
it's fine you can color outside the lines here, it's just that it's harder to preserve/find the convo in here than in there I recognize that but I feel like having the dialogue among more regulars in here has enabled a faster-flowing and still more focused convo, and y'all will remember it
njoyer
njoyer4mo ago
agreed. i have been in the internet fashion space for almost ten years and never once have i needed or wanted an ocbd for any job, occasion, etc yeah this is the best totd in a while i have lots to think about
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
this blows my mind, and is good for me to hear.
zacheadams
zacheadams4mo ago
basically ditto, I've worn some collared shirts (cough cough iron heart ultra heavy flannel cough cough) occasionally for meetings with c-suite people at other orgs or media interviews but I pushed back against wearing ocbds EDIT: I lied I had one single occasion a few weeks ago, I went to a wedding of an internet fashion oldhead and he requested we dress up in cocktail attire and so I did wear an OCBD and my blue floral corduroy suit
pangram
pangram4mo ago
(I hope I've back read thoroughly enough to not be repeating others' points) I feel like capsules can be a useful concept for figuring out how to dress at first. Like, if you think you need to buy 15 sweaters before you can explore your "ideal" style then you're gonna be spending way too much money and you might not like it in the end. You'll be better served by trying to figure out how to make a lot of combinations with a little bit of clothing, and then you can see if you actually like that experiment and what you want to keep doing and what you want to drop. It's also good to think about versatility that way to avoid buying things that are legit cool but don't work well with your wardrobe. I feel like I see capsules a lot in womenswear especially, which makes sense because the idea that you need 500 gajillion different outfits is really powerful in that space, and reinforcing that you don't need that to be stylish (nobody said Audrey Hepburn was an outfit repeater for wearing ballet flats and high waisted capris a lot) is important. You don't need to spend absurd amounts of money or dedicate a lot of space to clothing to dress well, and being deliberate pays off. For me, I think of it as similar to doing a color theory exercise with my painting. I enjoy packing for a trip and figuring out how to be absolutely perfect in every possible combination, but I wouldn't want to make it my whole closet.
carrion
carrion4mo ago
almost 15 yrs for me and also same. collared shirts? hell yeah dude I had a whole ann d phase. OCBDs? no lmao
pangram
pangram4mo ago
I think it's a bit like the visualization step of the konmari cleanup process? Like, there's nobody who can determine what'll spark joy in your wardrobe for you People can guide you or give you inspiration but yeah, no list will ever be perfect or correct for everyone or universal
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
I just went back and looked at fits from @carrion , @discord solipsist z , and @filthy_casul . It looks like you are all closer to the vicinity of streetwear than the WorkIvyMilsurpWear "MFA default style". Is that at least the right ballpark? (I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about and not trying to offend anyone)
njoyer
njoyer4mo ago
closer to that than typical mfad attire yeah
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
I feel like I fit in with the MFA house style reasonably well, but I've also been feeling like I've been more influenced by it than I realized, or intended. Not sure how I feel about that.
Yakkeks
Yakkeks4mo ago
No shame of falling into house style if thats what you like
sharloy
sharloy4mo ago
It’s not bad to enjoy the mfa style. Heck that’s why a lot of people are here
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
Yeah, but I don't want to just wear it by default, and I have some definite bones to pick with the MFA house style.
carrion
carrion4mo ago
ya ive only posted fits like 5 times now but I'm def more streetwear adjacent than mfad-adjacent in my day-to-day
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
post more! the variety helps us. or at least helps me.
carrion
carrion4mo ago
trust i will, a recent move and dramatic body recomp phase of gaining 75lbs has put purchasing on the slow burner tho lmao
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
There's definitely a part of me that believes "every man needs a navy blazer". I recognize that's silly, but its sort of ingrained, so it's good to hear a contrary viewpoint.
pangram
pangram4mo ago
I think it's good to be prepared for a formal event where not being dressed up would be seen as disrespectful, but there's a lot of formal stuff that's not a real part of my wardrobe & I don't wear outside those contexts
sharloy
sharloy4mo ago
But in that situation a suit would suffice in place of a blazer
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
I just dont' go to formal events lmao
femto
femto4mo ago
I think a lot of people whether they're less interested in fashion or just indifferent to business fashion, know they need a collared shirt, but they don't really emphasize the distinction between different collar types, might be looking at other aspects of the shirt more. So you could arguably be best served by a button down, maybe you do pick one up, but could be a spread collar or whatever just as well. I think if you're approaching things with the intentionality involved in a capsule/springboard approach it might be good to think more about what aesthetic you want to do, what shapes you want, and what details get you in those directions (and at that stage maybe some of us land on stuff like OCBDs 🙂)
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
they are extremely few and far between culturally dependant obviously
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
yeah, I was wondering how streetwear dudes handle that. And it seems like the answer is "keep a suit in the back of your closet"
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
but at least as an American, the only events i really need formal clothes are weddings and I'm not at the weddings blitz age yet
femto
femto4mo ago
Yeah I don't either, there's been weddings in the family but they're too far away...
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
ive legitimately never been to a wedding in my life lol
pangram
pangram4mo ago
I wouldn't say I'm a streetwear person but I don't wear blazers or my formal shoes often and I feel bad for "neglecting" them by letting them sit in my closet. i just don't feel like it's really "me" when i try to style them into my normal wardrobe unfortunately
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
tbf, college grad was fucked up for me with covid so maybe you might need something there but
femto
femto4mo ago
Last times I was at a wedding I was smaller and could squeeze into dad's suit or wore a kurta
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
i would just drop bands on a suit for a wedding i cared a lot about xd but my style is adjacent enough i coulld find uses for a non-business coded suit ngl but i also need a MTM suit so i don't have a cheap option but overall i just don't think many people need formal clothing i haven't needed any for like 5 years now
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
pro tip: pay for your own wedding if at all possible. That way you and your partner have complete control. So if you're a streetwear dude, you can say "dress code: Supreme" So you STILL won't need a suit.
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
i feel like you have some weird conception of style here ngl, i can hate wearing a suit day to day and still want it for one of the biggest events of my life like being into streetwear doesn't make you hate formal clothing don't project
femto
femto4mo ago
Same I'd need MTM, and don't need anything formal But I would (will) totally wear a :derek: approved wardrobe if I could because I just like it lol
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
ok, ok, I was just trying to be silly tho my suggestion about paying for your own wedding so you can keep control was serious.
femto
femto4mo ago
Yeah it's actually much much odder to like wearing tailoring daily eh Which is a little odd because there's a lot to get used with suits and sport coats but ah well lol
zeometer
zeometer4mo ago
(fun fact there was an ocbd in my capsule wardrobe for functional reasons, namely that because i was a hygenic person that wore t-shirts underneath i didn't have to wash it so often)
sioku
sioku4mo ago
after thrifting more point collars i honestl dont wear my ocbds as much lol
jfarrell468
jfarrell4684mo ago
also, I would hate having to wear a suit every day too. But apparently I like playing dress-up, which is a little silly and privileged.
zeometer
zeometer4mo ago
i still like ocbds because of their ruggedness also because i am a nerd who can parse the difference in cotton weaves but that is my privilege as someone who likes that sort of thing
sioku
sioku4mo ago
thats me lol
zeometer
zeometer4mo ago
also me! sorta kinda adjacent relevant point that i think came up in vintage mfa, the "expansion pack" of the basic bastard, where with a few key pieces you can slowly firm the basis of a different aesthetic (at the time the choices were slp, workwear, milsurp and gorp i think) but that in and of itself is a capsule! and i think that can extend to experimenting with other aesthetics without the high cost of entry or the burden of authenticity
eggtart!
eggtart!4mo ago
30-40 feels like so much to me
Piejamas
Piejamas4mo ago
I like the expansion pack idea, I like to organise my capsule wardrobe with a list of core items, and a rotating list of things I'm trying out
eggtart!
eggtart!4mo ago
like as an abstraction but also bc my wardrobe sits at like 45 and i think i could trim it so much more like do ppl just casually have like 40+ and im speaking from the perception of like having brought clothes every month for the last 10 months or so
Piejamas
Piejamas4mo ago
I keep track of mine with notepad, don't judge me
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Piejamas
Piejamas4mo ago
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njoyer
njoyer4mo ago
>looks too american bars i count like individual t shirts in that, i count shoes in that, p much everything except socks n undies 20-30 might be better idk lol
eggtart!
eggtart!4mo ago
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kyn
kyn4mo ago
He’s mostly not smelly it’s really fucked up He can actually not shower for like 2-3 days before starting to smell while keeping his house at like 83° and being active in 90°+ weather
algoresky
algoresky4mo ago
Me right after learning @discord solipsist z doesn't smell bad even though he has few shirts: :xdcrying:
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
If you track your clothes in a spreadsheet it's techbro coded
algoresky
algoresky4mo ago
What code is tracking your clothes in vscode
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
I don't have a strong enough insult for this
kyn
kyn4mo ago
god forbid a person have hobbies
algoresky
algoresky4mo ago
I use markdown to make a table tho
Smiles
Smiles4mo ago
That's worse
zacheadams
zacheadams4mo ago
I live like a lizard in a terrarium It's based and keeps my electric bill insanely low (I put the temp down to 79 for dates :xdcrying:)
algoresky
algoresky4mo ago
how do you sleep at night (that seems too warm to sleep)
zacheadams
zacheadams4mo ago
it's not for me
seth
seth4mo ago
you're sick
zacheadams
zacheadams4mo ago
83 is where I start sweating, so I keep it at 82
seth
seth4mo ago
EIGHTY TWO?
kyn
kyn4mo ago
He has really good fans It’s not like. Perfect. But it’s true
algoresky
algoresky4mo ago
i'm one of his fans he's got good fits
zacheadams
zacheadams4mo ago
I do have really good ceiling fans, it is pretty sick anyways this helps with capsule wardrobing
hecklebuckle
hecklebuckle4mo ago
Took me a while to catch up with this But I will say that I do not like or really wear T shirts at all I don’t think there’s anything that’s truly an essential
femto
femto4mo ago
T shirts are boring
hecklebuckle
hecklebuckle4mo ago
I just don’t really like how most of them fit on me i think
femto
femto4mo ago
Also valid
eggtart!
eggtart!4mo ago
I luv tees
zeometer
zeometer4mo ago
essential is in the eye of the beholder that said i'm about to pack for five days in rural Maryland so essentials might be basic bastard coded
femto
femto4mo ago
Yeah I do lol but it makes complete sense to not like them
njoyer
njoyer4mo ago
coward bring the pyjamas
zeometer
zeometer4mo ago
pajamas might be going to alfargos
njoyer
njoyer4mo ago
:nooooo: didn't know u were a new yorker lol
zeometer
zeometer4mo ago
not a new yorker
njoyer
njoyer4mo ago
u visiting?
zeometer
zeometer4mo ago
a train enthusiast
Gatan do rock
Gatan do rock4mo ago
I have made a capsule wardrobe by accident because I'm transgender and poor 😭
pangram
pangram4mo ago
so real lol
zeometer
zeometer4mo ago
pajamas made it to bumblefuck md
sioku
sioku4mo ago
I only do capsule wardrobe when I travel lol I don’t like limiting myself I talked about how I see outfits kinda like photographs or a record of my feelings at the moment of inspiration, aka what goes through my head when I make an outfit a capsule limits that idea and spontinaity But still useful for beginners or traveling where freedom and creativity isn’t the priority It would be like saying I could only write a melody using certain notes . It’s a good challenge or prompt but I know I’d get frustrated or held back
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