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Rat Rig Community [Unofficial]•2mo ago
Teo_

Frequent tangle detection on Smart filament sensor for Orbiter 2 on V-Core 4 400 IDEX

My prints fails due to frequent tangle detection, specially with opaque filament. I can read on Orbiter page: "The detection is activated when filament the pulling force is increased over 1.5–2 kilograms of force for more than one second. The wear of PTFE tube can also trigger tangle detection due to the high friction force. Warning!!! The tangle detection can be falsely triggered by high friction in a long PTFE tube, hard-turning big filament spools, or high printer acceleration with an improperly secured PTFE tube." https://www.orbiterprojects.com/smart-sensor-for-orbiter-v2/ But if I manually restart the print, it proceeds for some minutes untile the next tangle detection. Do you think the "pulling force" or the "one second" can be changed in configuration to reduce the false positives? 
16:06
RatOS | DEBUG - RESTORE_TOOLHEAD_SETTINGS:
Toolhead settings restored. 2500.0 accel, 0.5 ratio, 800.0 velocity, 5.0 scv.
16:06
RatOS | DEBUG - RESTORE_TOOLHEAD_SETTINGS:
Toolhead settings restored. 8000.0 accel, 0.5 ratio, 36000.0 velocity, 5.0 scv.
16:06
RatOS | DEBUG - SET_MACRO_TRAVEL_SETTINGS:
Macro travel settings set. 8000 accel, 36000.0 velocity
16:06
RatOS | DEBUG - CACHE_TOOLHEAD_SETTINGS:
Toolhead settings cached for park. 8000.0 accel, 0.5 ratio, 36000.0 velocity, 5.0 scv.
16:06
RatOS | DEBUG - PARK_TOOLHEAD:
Parking T1..
16:06
RatOS | DEBUG - PAUSE:
z_speed: 900.0, pause_print_park_x: , pause_print_park_in: front, default_toolhead: 0
16:06
RatOS | DEBUG - SET_MACRO_TRAVEL_SETTINGS:
Macro travel settings set. 8000 accel, 36000.0 velocity
16:06
RatOS | DEBUG - CACHE_TOOLHEAD_SETTINGS:
Toolhead settings cached for pause. 2500.0 accel, 0.5 ratio, 800.0 velocity, 5.0 scv.
16:06
RatOS | DEBUG - PAUSE:
idex_mode: primary, idex_toolhead: 1, idex_toolhead_x: 198.476, idex_toolhead_y: 257.55, idex_toolhead_z: 0.55
16:06
RatOS | DEBUG - _ON_FILAMENT_END:
TOOLHEAD: 1
16:06
RatOS | DEBUG - _ON_TOOLHEAD_FILAMENT_SENSOR_CLOG:
TOOLHEAD: 1
16:06
RatOS | DEBUG - RESTORE_TOOLHEAD_SETTINGS:
Toolhead settings restored. 2500.0 accel, 0.5 ratio, 800.0 velocity, 5.0 scv.
16:06
RatOS | DEBUG - RESTORE_TOOLHEAD_SETTINGS:
Toolhead settings restored. 8000.0 accel, 0.5 ratio, 36000.0 velocity, 5.0 scv.
16:06
RatOS | DEBUG - SET_MACRO_TRAVEL_SETTINGS:
Macro travel settings set. 8000 accel, 36000.0 velocity
16:06
RatOS | DEBUG - CACHE_TOOLHEAD_SETTINGS:
Toolhead settings cached for park. 8000.0 accel, 0.5 ratio, 36000.0 velocity, 5.0 scv.
16:06
RatOS | DEBUG - PARK_TOOLHEAD:
Parking T1..
16:06
RatOS | DEBUG - PAUSE:
z_speed: 900.0, pause_print_park_x: , pause_print_park_in: front, default_toolhead: 0
16:06
RatOS | DEBUG - SET_MACRO_TRAVEL_SETTINGS:
Macro travel settings set. 8000 accel, 36000.0 velocity
16:06
RatOS | DEBUG - CACHE_TOOLHEAD_SETTINGS:
Toolhead settings cached for pause. 2500.0 accel, 0.5 ratio, 800.0 velocity, 5.0 scv.
16:06
RatOS | DEBUG - PAUSE:
idex_mode: primary, idex_toolhead: 1, idex_toolhead_x: 198.476, idex_toolhead_y: 257.55, idex_toolhead_z: 0.55
16:06
RatOS | DEBUG - _ON_FILAMENT_END:
TOOLHEAD: 1
16:06
RatOS | DEBUG - _ON_TOOLHEAD_FILAMENT_SENSOR_CLOG:
TOOLHEAD: 1
Robert
ORBITER PROJECTS
Smart Sensor for Orbiter v2
7 Replies
jupfi
jupfi•2mo ago
Hi, I had the same issue at high print speeds and with large prints. What fixed it for me was having a smoother PTFE path - I first had it routed like it was shown in the assembly guide and I think the sharp corners created a lot of friction. Just having a larger radius at the corners stopped the false positives from occurring.
Teo_
Teo_OP•2mo ago
Thank you, yesterday the situation was as in the video. Then I moved the lower block higher up and softened the corners. I also removed the PTFE sleeve and something improved but it still gets stuck sometimes.
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Sgt. Waffles
Sgt. Waffles•2mo ago
Not related to the issue, I'm still getting my sensor working. What material do you have for your side panels? Looks sweet
Teo_
Teo_OP•2mo ago
They are 6 mm PC panels with radiator reflectors (bought on sale at Aldi supermarket at about € 2,60 per panel) https://discordapp.com/channels/582187371529764864/1223286652949106748/1302283226609356930 Bud I had an issue with Y axis so solved: https://discordapp.com/channels/582187371529764864/1223286652949106748/1302709014622240938
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Teo_
Teo_OP•2mo ago
I think I’ve solved adding 2 of those sliding rings to the PTFE tubes connected with fishing line
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Teo_
Teo_OP•2mo ago
But still not solved: 
12:39
RatOS | DEBUG - RESTORE_TOOLHEAD_SETTINGS:
Toolhead settings restored. 2500.0 accel, 0.5 ratio, 800.0 velocity, 5.0 scv.
12:39
RatOS | DEBUG - RESTORE_TOOLHEAD_SETTINGS:
Toolhead settings restored. 8000.0 accel, 0.5 ratio, 36000.0 velocity, 5.0 scv.
12:39
RatOS | DEBUG - SET_MACRO_TRAVEL_SETTINGS:
Macro travel settings set. 8000 accel, 36000.0 velocity
12:39
RatOS | DEBUG - CACHE_TOOLHEAD_SETTINGS:
Toolhead settings cached for park. 8000.0 accel, 0.5 ratio, 36000.0 velocity, 5.0 scv.
12:39
RatOS | DEBUG - PARK_TOOLHEAD:
Parking T1..
12:39
RatOS | DEBUG - PAUSE:
z_speed: 900.0, pause_print_park_x: , pause_print_park_in: front, default_toolhead: 0
12:39
RatOS | DEBUG - SET_MACRO_TRAVEL_SETTINGS:
Macro travel settings set. 8000 accel, 36000.0 velocity
12:39
RatOS | DEBUG - CACHE_TOOLHEAD_SETTINGS:
Toolhead settings cached for pause. 2500.0 accel, 0.5 ratio, 800.0 velocity, 5.0 scv.
12:39
RatOS | DEBUG - PAUSE:
idex_mode: primary, idex_toolhead: 1, idex_toolhead_x: 197.133, idex_toolhead_y: 214.135, idex_toolhead_z: 1.3
12:39
RatOS | DEBUG - _ON_FILAMENT_END:
TOOLHEAD: 1
12:39
RatOS | DEBUG - _ON_TOOLHEAD_FILAMENT_SENSOR_CLOG:
TOOLHEAD: 1
12:39
RatOS | DEBUG - RESTORE_TOOLHEAD_SETTINGS:
Toolhead settings restored. 2500.0 accel, 0.5 ratio, 800.0 velocity, 5.0 scv.
12:39
RatOS | DEBUG - RESTORE_TOOLHEAD_SETTINGS:
Toolhead settings restored. 8000.0 accel, 0.5 ratio, 36000.0 velocity, 5.0 scv.
12:39
RatOS | DEBUG - SET_MACRO_TRAVEL_SETTINGS:
Macro travel settings set. 8000 accel, 36000.0 velocity
12:39
RatOS | DEBUG - CACHE_TOOLHEAD_SETTINGS:
Toolhead settings cached for park. 8000.0 accel, 0.5 ratio, 36000.0 velocity, 5.0 scv.
12:39
RatOS | DEBUG - PARK_TOOLHEAD:
Parking T1..
12:39
RatOS | DEBUG - PAUSE:
z_speed: 900.0, pause_print_park_x: , pause_print_park_in: front, default_toolhead: 0
12:39
RatOS | DEBUG - SET_MACRO_TRAVEL_SETTINGS:
Macro travel settings set. 8000 accel, 36000.0 velocity
12:39
RatOS | DEBUG - CACHE_TOOLHEAD_SETTINGS:
Toolhead settings cached for pause. 2500.0 accel, 0.5 ratio, 800.0 velocity, 5.0 scv.
12:39
RatOS | DEBUG - PAUSE:
idex_mode: primary, idex_toolhead: 1, idex_toolhead_x: 197.133, idex_toolhead_y: 214.135, idex_toolhead_z: 1.3
12:39
RatOS | DEBUG - _ON_FILAMENT_END:
TOOLHEAD: 1
12:39
RatOS | DEBUG - _ON_TOOLHEAD_FILAMENT_SENSOR_CLOG:
TOOLHEAD: 1
However, it seems that it does not make too sharp bends...
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Teo_
Teo_OP•2mo ago
During last long print, no tangle detections with matte filament with this mod: https://www.printables.com/model/1080617-rat-rig-v-core-4-ptfe-tube-support-for-smart-senso
Printables.com
Rat Rig V-Core 4 PTFE tube support for Smart Sensor for Orbiter v2 ...
A way to keep the PTFE tube straighter and reduce false positives tangle detections. | Download free 3D printable STL models
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