Fast Fashion - Topic of the day 7/23/24

Let’s talk about fast fashion. What technically counts as fast fashion? What are the benefits of fast fashion? When is it okay to consume fast fashion? Do individual consumer decisions matter in a world governed by corporations?
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artvandelayimporting
uniqlo is fast fashion but I like it so it isn't, actually
I'm Lagging
I'm Lagging6mo ago
uh oh
stevie
stevie6mo ago
if it doesn't have a drive thru it's NOT fast fashion
zeometer
zeometer6mo ago
the clothes may be fast but nothing is saying you have to be
goofus
goofus6mo ago
if it has flames on it you go faster
Digs
Digs6mo ago
Fast fashion is when i have to race to buy the thing i want when a brand drops a new line
kyn
kyn6mo ago
the fastness of the fashion is determined by the speed of the wearer ISS astronauts wear the fastest fashion I think so by that logic shein is pretty slow fashion
I'm Lagging
I'm Lagging6mo ago
ironically the one thing fast fashion is good at avoiding
kyn
kyn6mo ago
and even then Uniqlo stuff disappears, The Cos Bag, idk
seth
seth6mo ago
ill be brave enough to say it fast fashion = bad
I'm Lagging
I'm Lagging6mo ago
tbt uniqlo suing shein for using their bag design
carrion
carrion6mo ago
hmmm fast fashion = good
zeometer
zeometer6mo ago
fast fashion is good: - as a way to access the types of designs you would only see on runways or by high end designers - as a way to find inexpensive clothes without the potential stigma of wearing used clothes - as an option if you literally need to be clothed if there is no other option - as a way to stay on the zeitgeist of what is "trendy" if you're unwilling to open tiktok fast fashion is bad: - because it contributes to waste and the overall decline in the environment - because it can rely on the unethical treatment of workers - can be more expensive in the long run if replacing things every three months - because it's kinda homogenous - kinda rips off high end fashion designers - negatively contributes to consumer culture and promotes overbuying you get to make the choice for yourself what you value
I'm Lagging
I'm Lagging6mo ago
i think we gotta change can to must rely right :harold:
carrion
carrion6mo ago
it's a good thing fashion is the only industry with that problem
werkinprogress
werkinprogress6mo ago
This is Napster's fault Or Google's
I'm Lagging
I'm Lagging6mo ago
you wouldn't download a storm rider
seth
seth6mo ago
i'd also tack on to the bad part that it contributes pretty negatively to consumer culture and promotes constant buying
Digs
Digs6mo ago
As an individual consumer the best thing you can do is not over consume. If you must buy from fast fashion for hand waves reasons then so be it but your goal should he to contribute as little as possible to machine
carrion
carrion6mo ago
is fast fashion a reason for consumerism or a response to it or something more nuanced and reasonable who can say
seth
seth6mo ago
nope. it's super evil mega bad
carrion
carrion6mo ago
idk I like consuming🥰
Sam I Am
Sam I Am6mo ago
the fast fashion overton window has shifted so far because of Shein. Saw someone ask "is it worse to buy fast fashion than to buy clothes from walmart"
I'm Lagging
I'm Lagging6mo ago
"1.5 million views" "conclusion: yes" :hell: social media and content creators being sponsored to push the ideas of hauls is a consumerist nightmare
Digs
Digs6mo ago
I feel like we are just gonna echo chamber in here on this topic tbh lol
carrion
carrion6mo ago
give it time digs
zeometer
zeometer6mo ago
is one contributing to the negative effects of fast fashion by buying secondhand?
carrion
carrion6mo ago
yup
zeometer
zeometer6mo ago
this is me generating discourse
Digs
Digs6mo ago
I think it is important to note that alot of people dont see a viable option outside of fast fashion if they are in a lower economic status. We can point to used/vintage but that can require a significant amount of effort and isnt always super easy for people. You should NOT be seen as bad for having to buy fast fashion but you should try as hard as you can to not fall into an overconsumption cycle
I'm Lagging
I'm Lagging6mo ago
i feel like this is a really annoying limbo spot lol secondhand has been starting to get bloated and polluted with fast fashion shit but excluding those items just turns them into actual pollution :nooooo:
carrion
carrion6mo ago
I also think there's a fun lil splash of misogyny with how a lot of people bemoan and criticize fast fashion/consumerism as a greater topic
Sam I Am
Sam I Am6mo ago
there's definitely some weirdness around how people moralize fast fashion/waste that comes from things seen as feminine vs waste from male-coded hobbies I think
I'm Lagging
I'm Lagging6mo ago
"women be shopping" :hell:
werkinprogress
werkinprogress6mo ago
i will moralize both by saying that beer should be illegal
I'm Lagging
I'm Lagging6mo ago
teetotaler lookin ass
werkinprogress
werkinprogress6mo ago
yes
Gatan do rock
Gatan do rock6mo ago
This is interesting because I just noticed I haven't heard of waste from male-coded hobbies. Can you give examples?
youngblood
youngblood6mo ago
Industry-promoted overconsumption is real. Even brands that tout themselves as slow or not fast fashion are unbelievably fast from the perspective of "how often do I need to be buying clothes". Completely new sets of clothes in brand new cuts 4x a year minimum, collaborations and special releases and seasonal sales and whatever else gets people to tune in 365 days a year. Like, none of this is normal or sustainable from a long-term perspective, even if Shein and Zara are the worst offenders.
seth
seth6mo ago
war
I'm Lagging
I'm Lagging6mo ago
war
artvandelayimporting
greenhouse gases
werkinprogress
werkinprogress6mo ago
i be fartin
Digs
Digs6mo ago
Golf Car hobbyists Any hobby that you can imagine where “the new cool thing” comes out every year
carrion
carrion6mo ago
Both industries built on fostering overconsumption thru the rapid release of newer and better and more attractive things
Digs
Digs6mo ago
But the fact that you didnt even think about it points to what sam is saying Women get put up on the cross for being into fashion but its not like its the only hobby where overconsumption is seen
carrion
carrion6mo ago
Especially when the expectation is put on women to look not just presentable but beautiful every moment they're socially visible Men can wear the shittiest chinos you've ever seen and a polo from middle school and it's all good baby
Digs
Digs6mo ago
Yah they get blamed for the overconsumption but also, are the most heavily targeted for it Oroboros or however you spell it
Smiles
Smiles6mo ago
Theres also something to be said about the fact most of the criticisms of fast fashion apply to fashion as a whole Like obviously fast fashion is the worst but just cause a brand makes less shirts in a season and charges $300 for them doesn't mean it isn't contributing to the same things Designer brands are infamous for destroying their products that don't sell as well
ClassClown
ClassClown6mo ago
I heard it was only fast fashion if it's from the "fast" region of hell. Otherwise it's just sparkling Zara.
Digs
Digs6mo ago
Yah god forbid the wrong kind of person gets ahold of their product Art fuming you got to this before him
ClassClown
ClassClown6mo ago
Tried and true joke form
Smiles
Smiles6mo ago
And like said above, I feel like too often people who buy designer love to pretend they are better cause they don't buy fast fashion, when a lot of the difference is their economic situation.
AndrewA
AndrewA6mo ago
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carrion
carrion6mo ago
Even going in the other direction, people only buying secondhand/thrift are in a similar position. Salvation Army et al are responsible for undermining & destabilizing the textile industries of multiple sub saharan African countries. Like at a point you have to be accountable and recognize that your choices are going to negatively impact someone
ClassClown
ClassClown6mo ago
I agree with most of what Zeo said above. I worry we put a ton of pressure on consumers to do the right thing when gestures everything is on fire. I would hope for more regulations on importing goods / labor laws / intellectual property. People aren't off the hook, though. Gotta vote to make this happen, which comes with a million other layers of complication.
Digs
Digs6mo ago
I’m fasting fashion which means i only buy things between a 4 hour period in the evening
Smiles
Smiles6mo ago
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Digs
Digs6mo ago
Almost as if under the current economic system of the US, all options of consumption are ethically fraught. If only i could say that in a more concise way
carrion
carrion6mo ago
I never did like the "no ethical consumption" bit because it always felt like it blanketed over the crux of the issue, where if you live in the imperial core all of your priveleges come at the price of human suffering.
Smiles
Smiles6mo ago
like any catchy phrase its lost its original meaning
Digs
Digs6mo ago
I very much agree but i think its important to remember when people feel that they have way out of this ethical trap, is that its a result of the state Like smiles posted above politicians and corporations have spent years trying to put the onus on the individual to obscure their much larger role in global degradation
carrion
carrion6mo ago
Oh that's totally fair! I'm just generally grumbly that the focus seems to have placed the consumer as the true victim in the system
Digs
Digs6mo ago
Yes i absolutely agree with that
kyn
kyn6mo ago
meat bitcoin chatGPT computer bullshit in general Funko pops et al
ttocs
ttocs6mo ago
I bought new shoes but they dont make me run faster. Fast Fashion = Scam
sharloy
sharloy6mo ago
Don’t u own a cos bag
seth
seth6mo ago
yea it's ok when i do it
sharloy
sharloy6mo ago
Is PRL fast fashion https://open.spotify.com/track/40V9sT2iWVgRa6b6JVGEq1?si=k4cz45DoR92xYCWZ7Dld2A Yea just remember if you’re bashing people for buying H&M and Zara, you’re still consuming Uniqlo, J Crew, Abercrombie, Levi’s, etc It’s also not like there’s accountability in non-fast fashion companies either. Do we know the work conditions of PRL workers for example? Or brain dead or margiela?
Sam I Am
Sam I Am6mo ago
i honestly have 0 idea what brands aren't fast fashion
zeometer
zeometer6mo ago
who is buying current day PRL?
sharloy
sharloy6mo ago
Most people buying PRL That’s the thing, a lot of brands now have some sense of non-seasonality and other brands that produce cheaply have seasonality For example banana republic is considered fast fashion but is technically seasonal Streetwear brands like parra and pleasures are not seasonal but aren’t considered fast fashion Why is COS considered fast fashion but APC or Kitsune aren’t?
zeometer
zeometer6mo ago
cos being part of h&m group would contribute to that i think related to the topic: does nike have to do yearly sneaker releases?
sharloy
sharloy6mo ago
So being part of a large corporation would mean it’s fast fashion? Then supreme and everything else in LVMH are fast fashion
zeometer
zeometer6mo ago
being part of a large corporation that is perceived to be contributing to the negatives of fast fashion the most is what i would imagine is contributing to the perception of cos as a fast fashion brand itself also, for h&m group specifically, isn't arket touted as the "slow fashion" sector of their brand? (i do not actually know i swiftly walk past h&m to get to blue bottle coffee)
werkinprogress
werkinprogress6mo ago
Basics without intention seems to be the main look of most fast fashion brands They don't have copy about the specific looms used to make their white tees
goofus
goofus6mo ago
I brought this up in the streetwear totd (i think), but I was wondering if the idea that trends move so fast in that space contributes a lot to fast fashion?
sharloy
sharloy6mo ago
But both Abercrombie and Zara are derivative of super current trends And both are absolutely fast fashion The original definition of fast fashion is fashion that isn’t seasonal and can be produced in less than 2 months And many many brands are able to do that now, include many that wouldn’t be considered fast fashion by users here now that globalism is a thing Does Taylor Stitch or Buck Mason do seasonal releases? They might have seasonal look books but so does Zara, J Crew, H&M etc Sure they don’t release the volume as the other brands but they are still churning out products not twice a year And the number of products from a brand like APC or Faherty or Marine Layer rivals the number of distinct products COS sells
awburkey
awburkey6mo ago
All of these discussions make me feel like the Judge from The Good Place
jibba
jibba6mo ago
The definition I had been working with basically your original one. But it seems like there have been further changes in the responsiveness of supply chains in the last 10 years since the term became popular to effectively categorize most major producers as fast fashion? In which case, it might be useful to think of fast fashion as a mode of consumption rather than production? Echoing what smiles said above, I think slow fashion has most of the same issues as fast fashion, but they're just more visible, since it's more attainable for more people, and can have an edge of classism. On the other side, my neoliberal ass does think that there's a lot to be said for the possibility of the garment industry providing an early rung on the global economic value ladder for many countries, often setting the stage for massive reductions in crushing poverty. Obviously, this is more addressing the issues on the producer side rather than the consumptive one.
ClassClown
ClassClown6mo ago
Nature of all capitalism is getting the most for the least. Fast fashion may take that to a higher degree, but it's only part of the definition. I presumed it was the same as Fast Food: let me make something as quickly and cheaply as we can while convincing people it tastes good. I'm sure McDonald's has some seasonal changes with its menu, but it's still fast food. In either case, to me it goes to the level of problematic when labor and/or environment is exploited beyond what regulation allows, mostly (but not solely) through importation. And that doesn't mean we have enough regulation/unionization already, far from it, but I guess it's where the line would be drawn for me. And I'm certainly guilty of it. No high horse here, just seeking a definition clarification
bancars69420
bancars694206mo ago
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