Old Money - Topic of the day 6/11/24
At least once a week we get dudes in here asking how to dress 'old money,' so let's have a lil chat about why the term is whack, classist, and devoid of all fashion meaning so that we can just point them here.
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Is this old money?
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If you use the term old money you watched succession and missed the point.
Anyway to seriously engage with the body, its meaningless and if it wasn't meaningless you couldn't afford it anyway.
Nothing is funnier than "old money for cheap"
Succession was a great documentary wym?
the whole point is to be classist and elitist
there doesn't seem to be a fixed 'old money' style to me. there is, however, a new money style. when I think of 'new money' I picture flashy designer street-wear with some Gucci or Supreme logo.
Also the obvious that hating new money is like 90% of the time racism lol
I don't necesarrily hate the new money look, but it does exist.
the percentage is only marginally smaller for old money
lol lmao
i would disagree with this greatly
forgor a word
what's your perspective?
the whole 'old money' movement is born out of people thinking that they're better than wearing logos and that people wearing logos are inherently lesser, which at it's core is at best classist, and more often than not, racist
just say you want to dress minimalist, you don't have to attach status to it
I'm gonna be over here hating logos from an aesthetic perspective but broadly agreeing with your point.
it's fine to look boring
I disagree with the movement and the morals behind old money and new money. My argument is that these styles exist, some people like them and others don't.
as smiles said it's people wanting to dress like the Roys in succession except with more blatant displays of wealth and privilege
it's one thing if you descend from a long line of diamond miners and now wear a vintage tennis sweater
Honestly I half come at hating logos because I was too broke to have any as a kid.
it's another to want to go to forever 21 to buy the same thing thinking it means something when they're making them faster then you or i can comprehend
though ig the lack of regard for human rights and good working conditions may be persistent
Its logo hate and wanting to appear rich while not being able to actually afford the clothes that are the basis of this. Like it started inherently as clothes being so fucking out of reach for the average person that they don't even realize they are being flexed on. Like you have to be in the know to even realize you are poor.
I think not liking logos for your own personal style is fine, but hating logos so much that you create a whole fake style trend that basically says 'actually, hating logos makes me look rich and better than you' is another matter entirely
And since 99% of people can't afford those clothes
it immediately became people trying to copy the look while completely missing the point
also because i'm bored
is old money distinct from quiet luxury
If your tee shirt isn't wool and costs $500 it isn't actually old money
there is nothing wrong with wearing unbranded polo shirts and trousers and plain baseball caps! just call it what it is!
quiet luxury feels like new money (tech rich etc.) trying to emulate old money but missing the mark
They're not signalling storied artistry but just overspend on bland shit.
i should add "quiet luxury" the aesthetic, not "quiet luxury" (wearing things that happen to be luxury brands because guilty)
Its the same shit as people being like "real billionaires drive civics"
no real billionaires don't drive
their driver drives a rolls for them
perhaps there is no greater sin in life than to be unremarkable ig
or they drive sports cars or cars they like
Id disagree and say "old money" is definitely a thing, and more of a term that's ascribed to WASP lifestyles by a group of gen Z'ers who didn't know the term
i think they exist by the virtue of people attaching onto it but it's rly a weak way to describe an aesthetic
people don't care about "living" the lifestyle of aesthetics those days (imo) but old money is the only exception to me where it's heavily implied they want to emulate that perception of that lifestyle
also not for nothing but
they're boring clothes
today, when I think of "old money" I think of people who where expensive business-casual clothing that omits popular street-wear brands. to me, an old money guy can be wearing a canada-goose sleeveless jacket with a fine wool sweater and pressed pants. that's not the only "old money" look, though.
and i think if we're rly talking about old money then it's more than clothes. it's things like mannerisms they'll never rly replicate
and the kind of people who ask about dressing old money doesn't help either bc they only seem to be interested in crafting an allusion of wealth rather than literally anything else
I agree that it's hard to describe the old-money aesthetic, but I think it effectively captures the new money aesthetic
i think old money/new money defines each other but at that point i rather just say "ivy" or "streetwear"
I think when people say old money, they really mean an Ivy-adjacent look stemming from outdated American aristocratic trends that look nice but aren't actually in use anymore. It's not actually about the wealth as much as it is recreating an image of what people think wealth looks like based on popular media
too much money ainât enough money. You know the feds listening. What money?
I just think it's a stupid name for an aesthetic and I will always dunk on the dudes who come in here like 'how can I dress old money for $27' which is why I made this totd
Like my neighbor who's a 12th gen American and owns a massive development company just wears flip flops and khaki shorts year round. He went to the Knox school and Columbia, and probably doesn't even know what J press is
True
i think the implication of "i want to look rich" is never going to come off well within a server like this
it's like the reverse "you dress like a hobo" @ wide fits
you have the full power of the english vocab at your fingertips
would you be able to provide additional examples
Someone with enough swag could pull off some fuck you I'm rich outfits
I think new money represents a specific type of streetwear. When I hear "new money" I think of tight-fitting light blue ripped jeans, heavy hoodies donning the Supreme logo and expensive puffer jackets. there are different variations of this look, but it fits into a theme.
Idk I spend a lot of time in very wealthy towns and most of the old men I see (assuming they are wealthy and old) are usually in like decades old ll bean or something
he means non-white
I want to wear Calvin Klein to mimic the people wearing Loro Piana who mimic the people wearing Lacoste who mimic the people wearing Brunello who mimic the people wearing Calvin Klein
yes
but w/ what smiles said I do agree old money/new money is in a western context
bc if i think new money in like asia my visualization is completely differently and not what any of those people meant
is this gonna be the fastest totd to crack 100 comments
arguably that just makes the term worse if it only actually refers to rich white people
yes, but they wouldn't fit into a theme. for instance, an old money man, rather than wearing a slim suit with thin fabric would wear a looser suit with some canvas blend in the breast. his collar would be long enough to reach the lapel of his jacket etc etc.
Also ur dumb if youâre a billionaire and your main car is an old Toyota bc you can clearly afford safety improvements and itâs actively dangerous to have a car from the 90s as your main car if you can afford a newer one as your main car
yeah all billionaires should be taking helicopters
this is all from a dieworkwear thread
All billionaires should travel by shady submarines
its based on that one video of fucking Bezos driving an ancient car really
Iâll guarantee you that if you dressed in full Loro and an actual old money guy dressed in full gap, the actual old money guy will still be treated better than you
Is that not 2015 streetwear? I donât think thatâs even new money thatâs like average person with a few statement items
this is partially true, but the quality and cut of the fabric matters a lot as well. it's a blend of the two
Hate to break it to you but people donât wear supreme to look rich
Some people do
But not most
people think Supreme = money cause in 2015 rappers wore it cause it was the cultural icon brand
Never in my life have I ever been treated poorly because of my clothes. (Except here when my fit bricks). I realize thereâs probably a lot of implicit privilege at work there too, but I donât think wearing more expensive things would open doors for me
and it was in such a limited supply compared to hype
new money
supreme is pretty cheap at retail
i would say it's how the person carries theirselves, acts, speaks, w/e
that's the old money that you won't ever achieve
Also old money is dumb because itâs only old money bc they donât care enough about fashion to actually wear something daring
out of curiosity would this be old money or new money
very much old money
A bunch of people with âold moneyâ dress in full designer or avant garde
isn't that just preppy
those are doc martens bruv đ
the correct answer is neither because it is literally a guy in a suit
As I said, the cost of the clothes is not the thrust behind the old money look. It's about how certain clothes fit.
Show me one with the PRL logo on your old money
this is why it's stupid to call it old MONEY
but there's really no difference between old money and ivy/preppy then
true old money is context-based and beyond clothes
Old money is when you look like a landlord with generational wealth
if the cost of the clothes aren't a factor then don't ascribe status and wealth to it
I have a different memory of 2015. For me, 2015 streetwear was skinny jeans, long shorts, tight shirts etc etc.
the term is bad, but the look exists
just look at the LV heir. He's the definition of old money, heir to a fashion brand, and he still can't dress
Paris Hilton is old money (love her)
there's one actual luxury good pictured and it's the tie, i don't think fit is really a factor beyond "this is how rich old men dress"
Fuck, the kardashians are old money
Billie eillish is old money
Dua lipa is old money
Any nepo baby is old money
and just to be clear, the look doesn't belong to one genre of cloting. It's possible for "old money" to occupy multiple different styles and occasions.
This entire conversation is pointless without images.
i think that's char's point then
"Canada Goose" is old money literally means fucking nothing
if old money fits are literally just bc they're rich it has zero meaning
obviously that's not what people mean when they ask how to dress old money
socioeconomically, yes, but her fashion sense is more curated and unique to her than "old money" can describe
actually, I don't know if Billie grew up rich
so idk
that implies the existence of an quintessential old money look
which we have somewhat established it looks the same as preppy/ivy
in a roundabout way, we are helping make the initial point of the post, that the term is devoid of all fashion meaning
The Rockefeller family
yes, the cost of the clothing is not what defines the "old money" look, though.
old money or new money
the label has aged poorly
ignore the cap
old
Wdym aged poorly it was literally created to describe generational wealth
New money, words on hat
I would say this is much closer to old than new, but the socks throw me off
that is probably the most conventionally (slim) fitted tailoring i own lol
yes. today, people are more sensitive to classism (which is good) so people here disagree with that term
(which is good)
yeah if no one is gonna post pics i'm just gonna keep A/B testing
can we compromise and just agree to call it 'elevated basics' (this is a joke)
but then what will people from cos call their stuff
Or just tell it what it is and norm core
oh god GG...lol
mid aughts tv was wild
I was waiting for this
I don't think slim is necessarily new money.
yes, classism is bad
dawg this is such a ridiculous sentence lmfao
you don't need to categorize cuts of clothes by what generation of wealth they fall under
I'm trying to be respectful dude. I don't know what to say. If people think I'm wrong they're welcome to change my mind. I've only gotten into this stuff recently.
that's not what I mean to do. this is why I said the term "old money" was bad. It's not intended to describe generational wealth
@carrion do you have an opinion on this conversation?
just the one
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Did I ever drop my Paris Hilton lore
Paris is sweet
Steve Jobs wearing Issey Miyake = new money
Me wearing Issey Miyake = no money
Undeniably a sweetie
Oh come on I have to be productive today
Iâve literally only heard good things about her
Iâll drop it after youâre finished working then haha
(But it is wholesome)
"old money" is a dumb name for an aesthetic bc it's just TikTok nuking all nuance and history of styles so anything from trying to look like an incognito Marvel character to any WASPy styles like Trad, Ivy, Prep, etc. are grouped in bc it looks "rich" but in a way that's palatable to white suburbanites (read not "streetwear" "worn by rappers" "thuggish").
All of these are "old money" and it's stupid, classist, racist, and says the most about the person who wants to dress "old money" than it does about any of the actual style influences at all.
I don't have the patience to continue this conversation. people are misunderstanding my argument. I'm saying that "old money," as bad as the term is, describes two elements to style, the quality of fabric and the omission of designer logos. I know the term is rooted in classism. Can we please move past the easy part of the conversation?
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at the beginning, I said old money doesn't fall into one fixed category of clothing
can mods check the dude on bad faith mode?
check
The egregiously wealthy and the generationally wealthy that continue to benefit from their wealth while doing nothing to benefit society as a whole (and I donât mean the economy, I mean the people) are on par with war criminals, fascists, and the rest of the scum of the earth. They are the lowest of the low in every sense of the word and deserve nothing short of a fucking guillotine,
Also they dress dumb as hell
Like weird little nerds
Discussing what is/is not actually "old money" is pointless bc it doesn't actually describe any particular style. If someone asks "how do I dress 'old money'?" you have to figure out if they mean like a Succession character or a guy that has "trad clothes, trad values" in his bio
If I weren't so new to the server I wouldn't be subject to this
""old money," as bad as the term is, describes two elements to style, the quality of fabric and the omission of designer logos"
This is such a spicy take and I'm here for it.
it's not spicy at all
Calling it the easy part of the conversation is insane lmao
It also full on doesnât describe a style
it really is. Given it absolutely tries to gloss over why it's called "old money" in the first place.
yes, welcome to the start of this conversation
I'm not trying to gloss over it.
This is the most âyouâre talking a lot but youâre not saying anythingâ ass conversation
I think dressing like old money is a misconception, because what actually makes people look like old money is the habitus that emerges from being fucking rich and taking that for granted.
And people try to replicate that habitus with clothing which simply does not work
Forever having to explain that I like repro clothes, not repro values đ
This is such a great representation of old money vs new money tbqh
These fuckers live in an entirely different reality from ours
Iâm gonna learn to code so I can have the bot auto delete comments containing âold moneyâ
submarine bot
Nothing useful or interesting has ever been said about it
A reality where they think dressing like a boring nerd is cool
what would you call the tendency to omit designer logos and wear quality fabrics? If you and I agreed to a label here and now, I will never type the words "old money" again.
Wanting to dress old money is what happens when you read The Millionaire Next Door and Rich Dad, Poor Dad and believe it's true
wearing clothes
Quiet fashion
And continuing to claim that something exists because you have an idea in your mind that it does is incredibly moronic
Boring
Insufficient depth to define a style
Should be quieter tbh they never shutup about logos
Youâre just describing minimalism
I can omit designer logos and wear full Rick owens
I'm not trying to define a style and I said as much in the very start of this conversation
Is that old money
^
I can even do it in full Rick owens tailoring
depends
Yeah, but again its the style of dress is literally an expression of the underlying facts that they are literally the untouchable demigods of our late capitalist little hellscape.
This is like a dozen different styles which is why it's stupid
No itâs not you dumbass
It was a rhetorical question
I'm not trying to define a style and I said as much in the very start of this conversation
then what are you trying to do?
I fully agree with you, I just think we need to keep making fun of them for being little inbred weirdos every chance we get
:xd:
Until we have more effective means that is
""old money," as bad as the term is, describes two elements to style, the quality of fabric and the omission of designer logos."
at some point, this conversation evolved into the problematic nature of the term "old money." People claimed that it was useless to categorize clothing on the basis of fabric-quality.
Lmao the first part of that statement is just inaccurate
yes, that could be any particular style. not one style
listen guys
It is useless to categorize clothing as Old Money based on fabric quality
"At some point" did you even read the prompt
this has been the dumbest conversation possibly ever on this server
Like the pique polo ur wearing doesn't have any exceptional fabric lmao
which I think makes the point that old money is dumb
did you read the comment that started this conversation?
if it was yours I wish I hadnt
LOL
nice dunk!
whats my problem?
And a lot of luxury brands do use cashmere but I feel like that's one of the most problematic fabrics out there for a number of reasons
Crazy that old money just means based on old conservative White families vs new money meaning any liberal or POC fashion regardless of how much money they have
In my mind the term "old money" describes two elements ... "Old" and "Money"
ok
Unwillingness to incorporate new information as it is presented to you
fuck it I'm leaving it with the text boxes
This is gold
Did you make it
do you all like my old money?
Post it on twitter
can you give an example?
rather old money of you
Of all of the ways to describe prioritizing fabric quality you choose to pick one that has classist and racist tones and is devoid of almost all other stylistic meaning?
I refuse to pay to use meme generators so I just make the memes and then screenshot them
That would require wasting more of my valuable time on this earth so Iâm just gonna leave the thread and recommend you re read it if you want examples
Extra good because I think this is probably from when a lot of the âold moneyâ families started making money from selling people and causing strife and chaos!
If you paid attention, you would know that I specifically said that I didn't like the term old money.
Youâre old money because your ancestors were on this land first (no those people donât count) youâre new money because your ancestors are newer to the country (whether itâs against their will or not)
It's not the term I picked dude
Thatâs fine, but weâre all arguing that the term old money doesnât actually mean anything in regards to fashion
so no examples. ok
Lmao
got your ass bishop
Aside from the problematic aspects of the phrase, I think what people refer to as old money is also just an ugly aesthetic
This isnât debate club youâre just making an ass of yourself
That was my point earlier! They dress like lil nerds
And not like, cute nerds
Old money comes across as a term you can use to say racist things without explicitly saying racist things
This is the whole point of the post
to state the obvious
and the fact that we are where we are now just furthers the point lmfao
what do you think old money attempts to describe (not what it implies, but what it attempts to describe). whether successfully or not?
If I see one more quarter zip cashmere sweater Iâm throwing a Molotov I know that much
you're like a magician with your words
oh god I'm gonna imply attempt to describe
Prep/ivy, broadly, and badly executed
I donât even know who old money is so I donât know how they dress. I doubt they wear quality fabrics though. If quality fabric is even a term we can define and agree upon.
ok. I can stick to that. I broadly agree that a replacement term can be effectively used in fashion.
don't forget $500 tee shirts
tha vet/balenciaga old money.....
Itâs flaunting of wealth but not âblacklyâ
you said that the old money style existed but are not able to provide any visual aesthetic cues to define it
If we wanna get really granular on the fact that itâs rooted in racism
/uj I feel like this is actually critical bc an important aspect of "old money" is that it's 1000% vibes based on whether you can imagine a white billionaire wearing it
A dog whistle if you may
other than super outdated ones
People who truly have 'old money' i.e. generational inherited wealth, have probably never bought clothes in their life. They'll just have a tailor on retainer who's paid from 'somewhere' and turns up occasionally to fit them for a new suit for their upcoming grand ball
^
Itâs a disconnect from a thing that make us human
Because again, these people are worse than the scum that washes up in Boston Harbor
Is this old money?
If I ever said that the style existed I misspoke because I specifically said that it didn't fit into one style at the start of this conversation.
not white so no
Literally âpeopleâ with old money are less than human , and everything they do speaks to that
by defining "new money" you've defined "old money" because old and new are traditionally in a binary
otherwise you're basically trying to describe hypebeast culture in more creative ways
this might be true logically, but not culturally
And again, their fashion canât be distilled to a specific vibe, because they donât have a shred of real personality amongst themselves
yes! thank you
They pay people to literally come up with a personality for them
so how about
Yeah letâs be real, I could wear head to toe Loro Piana and no one would say Iâm âold moneyâ
hypebeast culture is a thing
I think "hype beast" is a much better and more accurate term than new money.
people who dislike it can choose any number of aesthetics
You can be a hype beast and not be egregiously wealthy
New money implies a vast amount of liquidity
yes.
except when people ask about "old money" they're usually posting the same pics of guys in polos and unbuttoned tight dress shirts
I guess I was wrong about what "old money" meant culturally
also, sorry if I ping you too much
it's a bad habit
i think many people have said that in less blunt ways
but it's okay, lifelong learning is important
I will leave this thread with this: I don't want people to get the wrong impression of what I was trying to say. I'm very new to all of this. I don't want my statements to come off as classist or racist, but I can't control people who get that impression, I can only change the way I talk about this issue in the future. It showed a lack of grace on my part to continue the conversation in the way that I did. Despite the trolling, some people actually changed my mind on the value of the term and what old and new money mean culturally. To anyone who seriously answered my questions, thank you.
alright who's next
Chad
Me
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I underestimated your ability to change and was overly harsh as a result, sorry about that.
All this arguing and all I know is im getting old and need more money
Old money? New money? I just wanna wear comfy polos and quarter zips
steve is incredibly new money though right?
*was
Iâm way behind on this thread lol, ignore me
And good riddance
Wait what is Steves fashion nowadays
Heâs dead
Omg
So partially or mostly decayed turtleneck, some nicely distressed earth tone jeans and miscellaneous đȘ±'s. Unless he was cremated then his last fit was đ„ .
When you think about it most clothes are technically some kind of carbon fibre so even if he was cremated he's probably still dressing.
Can we just wear clothes to wear clothes wtf
Well itâs been recently rebranded. Itâs a term youâd hear in the 70âs and 80âs pretty regularly.
This doesnât change my opinion
Yeah if you wanna dress like an inbred dork go ahead and dress like it I guess?
Then thereâs âsouthern old moneyâ which means something entirely different.
:thinkbutt:
Old money and southern old money are the same because all of those families, across the board, profited from racism and slavery, I can pretty much guarantee
Listen, even if we divorce the term entirely from the âaestheticâ, itâs a dumb style and makes you look like the kids I used to beat up in highschool, why do you want that?
Nerd
Letâs elaborate on southern old money
How do you achieve such an aesthetic
A yankee like myself is unfamiliar but curious
I wonder how many mfad users have had plantation weddings
Wut in tarnation
My stars
out of curiosity would it have meant the same thing aesthetically in the 70s/80s vs today?
pictures would help
Southern old money wtf
Southern old money basically means youâre wealthy but you wouldnât even know how to dress wealthy because that isnât the life you lived, because your money came from (as someone else said, a plantation, etc. So it actually is about the aesthetic in a way.
Are you being serious rn?
Thereâs no way youâre for real lol
If you ever hear an old person say that, thatâs what they really mean.
sorry I'm being serious rn
are you trying to tell me there's people out there attempting to dress like their forefathers were slave owners
No
No.
I've been here 40 years.
So when you say "it's about the aesthetic in a way" wdym?
Me and the boys in the club downtown Atlanta
Emory University on a Tuesday night
I guess Iâm just confused why weâre talking about southern old money tbqh
Itâs an old way for northerners to slight southerners. Theyâre calling them dirty, slobs, or beneath them.
southern old money is wild đ
I'm even more confused, are we defending the slave owners now or
Guys this is not a thing
There's no way
personally I think this whole topic is cursed
Quiet luxury makes sense to me. The new definition of old money not so much.
I unfollow this theme
Iâve literally never heard the term âsouthern old moneyâ used derogatorily in my life lol
Ok guys this was fun
I think the fact that we had to lock this post before we got too far into class warfare is a perfect embodiment of why it might not be a good idea to describe an aesthetic using inherently classist terminology