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•Created by Clark'sDesertBot on 6/15/2024 in #topic-of-the-day
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The sub was terrible by then already
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•Created by Clark'sDesertBot on 6/15/2024 in #topic-of-the-day
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Which I would consider low key racist. Simply saying that poverty is higher in some countries is not the same thing
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•Created by Clark'sDesertBot on 6/15/2024 in #topic-of-the-day
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It implies that global "dumbness levels" are higher than those found in the developed world
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•Created by Clark'sDesertBot on 6/15/2024 in #topic-of-the-day
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That's actually low key racist, not even being ironic here
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•Created by Clark'sDesertBot on 6/15/2024 in #topic-of-the-day
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Of course it is! This is why we have progressive taxation and all sorts of other policies
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•Created by Clark'sDesertBot on 6/15/2024 in #topic-of-the-day
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And yet - the garment workers in question are living in far greater destitution
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•Created by Clark'sDesertBot on 6/15/2024 in #topic-of-the-day
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No poor people by global standards.
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•Created by Clark'sDesertBot on 6/15/2024 in #topic-of-the-day
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I don't think I reduced it to a single dimension in the discussion. If I seemed to, then I did not speak clearly. My point is that there's explicitly a dilemma w.r.t. where you buy your clothes from, because the textile industry in poor countries is a huge development engine even though conditions are often poor.
But, the ethical obligation itself applies to everyone in the rich world, because the rich world is so very rich.
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•Created by Clark'sDesertBot on 6/15/2024 in #topic-of-the-day
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Which are unmet by many, but nonetheless exist
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•Created by Clark'sDesertBot on 6/15/2024 in #topic-of-the-day
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The analogy: obligations in food Vs clothing consumption
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•Created by Clark'sDesertBot on 6/15/2024 in #topic-of-the-day
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I don't mean to make this about vegetarianism - I'm not even a vegetarian myself - but as I said above it's a bit of a cop out to simply say that you have no obligations if you're poor (by rich world standards)
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•Created by Clark'sDesertBot on 6/15/2024 in #topic-of-the-day
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I don't see how you can create a coherent ethic that permits the killing of animals for pleasure which doesn't also permit human rights violations for several categories of humans
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•Created by Clark'sDesertBot on 6/15/2024 in #topic-of-the-day
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That doesn't make it pointless to discuss them
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•Created by Clark'sDesertBot on 6/15/2024 in #topic-of-the-day
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Such as not killing animals for pleasure (to eat them).
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•Created by Clark'sDesertBot on 6/15/2024 in #topic-of-the-day
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We have moral oblatigations of various kinds that we do not meet all the time
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•Created by Clark'sDesertBot on 6/15/2024 in #topic-of-the-day
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As I said earlier, the optimal ethical choice is to seek out items made in developing countries but at good wages and working conditions
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•Created by Clark'sDesertBot on 6/15/2024 in #topic-of-the-day
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I actually think there's a true ethical dilemma in this. Less developed countries need to have some path to development. Historically, textiles have been a very good path
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•Created by Clark'sDesertBot on 6/15/2024 in #topic-of-the-day
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One needs to be clothed. But most clothing demand is actually simply because consumption is nice
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•Created by Clark'sDesertBot on 6/15/2024 in #topic-of-the-day
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In general, I’d say that in terms of the ethics of a particular garment, you’d need to buy it made in Bangladesh but at Portugal wages. Or of course even higher wages. I’m skeptical that moving garment Production to rich countries is actually a net good
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•Created by Clark'sDesertBot on 6/15/2024 in #topic-of-the-day
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I’m not sure that buying clothes made in Portugal is actually better than those made in Bangladesh/Vietnam/etc at low cost
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