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mfad•3mo ago
Sam

Considering brands when shopping

🤔 I've been thinking about brands somewhat. When I'm shopping for clothing, I've been generally latching towards some brands (Levi's, PRL) and I'm starting to realize that this may not be the right approach for fashion shopping, especially now that luxury brands like Burberry have become a bit more accessible on the second hand market. At the same time, I don't usually buy from Fast Fashion. I'm trying to buy quality clothes that last, I'm not interested in throwing away clothes after a few wears. So when I'm shopping for clothes, for example in thrift stores or second hand clothing stores, should I give brand choice a consideration?
85 Replies
stevie
stevie•3mo ago
no u should consider whether u actually like what ur buying
mattw2
mattw2•3mo ago
Do I like this? Does it fit in my wardrobe? Will I wear it? Can I image outfits with this piece? It feels a little like your focusing on specific items and neglecting the whole at the moment.
Nayyyyy
Nayyyyy•3mo ago
Shopping by a brand is just a proxy for subjective quality or an aesthetic. It's a rule of thumb. That said, yeah just browse cause you can find cool stuff you wouldn't otherwise. Definitely in a thrift store browse to your heart's content
stevie
stevie•3mo ago
yes expensive =/= quality and cheap =/= lack of quality
zeometer
zeometer•3mo ago
at a certain point there's not much difference in quality between brands, moreso differences in how specifically brand makes a certain product(s) - textiles, cuts, designs, etc definitely explore brands and styles, but if a particular brand is within your wheelhouse i wouldn't be deterred by it being, say, levis vs brycelands
Sam
SamOP•3mo ago
It does, yeah I think it would be better if I took a look at the larger picture here
Soup
Soup•3mo ago
I still think a clearer idea of how you want to dress will help you here. It will give you an idea of the things you might be missing in your wardrobe. From there you can look around (whether that is secondhand or new) at the options for that item and see which brand's version of that item appeals to you the most (whether that's on a cost, materials used, cut of the item basis will depend on what it most important to you)
bishopcorrigan
bishopcorrigan•3mo ago
Yeah 100% better to start by having some vibe you’re interested in If you don’t have an aim it’s easy to fall back on other things to pick what to buy but you’ll end up with loads of stuff you never wear in the end Better to look through inspiration and stuff and find the commonalities and target things similar to those
CrispySmokyFrazzles
CrispySmokyFrazzles•3mo ago
this is a good way of amassing a wardrobe that you don't utilise 90% of
TimDalton
TimDalton•3mo ago
Buying brands has a lot less added benefit these days. A 2-3 decades ago, the access to quality material (fabric/leather/trims), workmanship, knowhow was limited. Today it is omnipresent. Earlier, most brands operated their own studios/manufacturing units. Now most outsource. Hence, brands have little exclusivity.
mattw2
mattw2•3mo ago
This just isn't true and completely sidesteps that one of the main reasons to buy a brand is buying into their design language (where they have one).
bishopcorrigan
bishopcorrigan•3mo ago
Yeah when you have established a direction and found brands that align with you, it absolutely makes sense to browse by brand
Nicoloadeon
Nicoloadeon•3mo ago
@Sam Diversify where you look/shop, doesn't need to be fast fashion like shein nor do I ever spend on luxury brands like burberry etc because it's all bullshit. here are some of my choices and why - hope this helps: Zara = imo good for range of pants/shirts at a lower price and look great. Mack Weldon = their underwear is unbeatable, I splurge on the $40 silver line and I have no regrets. I like some of their pants/jackets as traveling outerwear Buck Mason = best quality garmets I've ever bought - period, everything from jeans to shirts to coats to button downs etc. They never ever have a sale which is how you know shit ain't bullshit. customer service is also top tier. The fashion is a bit of a mix of classic american / japanese - worth taking a look. The clothes are by no means cheap, but the only brand in my life that's never had a quality issue down the line after years of wear and why I invest in them now. * Please note: I only wash clothes on cold and to really make things last, hang/air dry. Zara's stuff is prone to being damaged in the wash so to ensure longevity for them and any garments in general, follow this tip for washing/drying
mattw2
mattw2•3mo ago
"don't buy fast fashion" "Buy Zara" Is a very funny switcheroo.
bishopcorrigan
bishopcorrigan•3mo ago
Yeah I don’t agree with most of what Nicoloadeon said, sometimes high end brands are worth it to people sometimes they’re not. There’s not a linear relationship between the nebulous concept of “quality” and price, and buying things specifically aiming for the longest lasting over anything else is pragmatism but it isn’t fashion, design is imo the primary element to consider, then you want to look at longevity and how things age and ethics of the business and stuff
rawburt-oh
rawburt-oh•3mo ago
Most of us have brands that we love and align to what we want out of our relationship with clothing, but considering which brands to buy is also one of the last steps I would take You should have some answer (to yourself, not to us) on what your goals are in dressing differently/better Then think about which sort of styles you feel align well to who you are / who you want to be / how you represent that to the world / what sort of clothing you feel like wearing. Once you have a decent idea of which sort of styles you are into, then maybe consider coming back to one of these threads and asking where to get started for a certain style or which brands to look at. You will get more clarity then I do worry for you a bit because Burberry, Rick Owens, Jordan, etc all are quite different and while I'm sure there is some way for someone to tie them together cohesively, I would just worry that you'll have regret and end up wasting money on clothes you aren't comfortable in. I would forget about brands a but until you better define what you want to do
bishopcorrigan
bishopcorrigan•3mo ago
(I’m not sure there’s a way to tie them all together cohesively tbh)
rawburt-oh
rawburt-oh•3mo ago
It's beyond me for sure but never say never
Nicoloadeon
Nicoloadeon•3mo ago
"Doesn't need to be" and "don't buy" are two different things - I applied the warning that comes with these categories too. Do better My point was brands like Burberry, Gucci, Versace etc are not worth what they're priced. You're paying an exorbiant premium for the brand name when you can get the same quality textile/fabrics without the brand premium price tag. Any respectable tailor/mill/designer will tell you the same
bishopcorrigan
bishopcorrigan•3mo ago
I’m saying that fabric quality isn’t the only, or even the primary, metric by which you should judge clothing if you’re interested in fashion Designer labels do sell some things for huge markups, but not everything designer can be got for less elsewhere
Nicoloadeon
Nicoloadeon•3mo ago
Would be curious to know what your primary metric is @bishopcorrigan IMO the fabric and the quality should definitely be a primary metric . This determines how it sits on your frame and compliments your skin/tone, the appearance it gives from close-up and a distance, and how it compliments other pieces you're wearing and even how you accessorize it.
bishopcorrigan
bishopcorrigan•3mo ago
The design of the garment Fabric quality and properties only serve the design I’m not looking for gods most plain long lasting t shirt I’m looking for clothing that says something. Stuff that I can use to express things about myself
mattw2
mattw2•3mo ago
The extreme position of "fabric and quality should be your [sic] primary metric" is you end up wearing Loro Piana/Zegna/cuccinelli ready to wear, paying ÂŁ500 for a vicuna t-shirt and still looking like your clothes came from Uniqlo.
zeometer
zeometer•3mo ago
the inclusion of zara is also interesting given they often rip off designer clothes with fast fashion practices will echo the chorus of people that say "go slow and see what inspires you". there's a chance you still like burberry, or burberry and rick, and if that's your conclusion then that's fine because it's your preference that you've shared through time and thoughtful reflection as you explore you'll find what motivates you - an aesthetic, a particular function, the tactile experience, construction, brand recognition, etc. - and then that can drive how you source inspiration, ask questions and eventually shop
Nayyyyy
Nayyyyy•3mo ago
Remember you're talking to people who are actively interested in fashion here. If you're trying to min/max "spend to wear" most people would just say buy Carhart (or similar fashion brands with historical workwear origins), call it day and try to be happy with that aesthetic the rest of your life.
selecttool
selecttool•3mo ago
I have a tendency to min max so I realized I was searching for high quality brands in second hand shops without considering much if I actually like what I'm getting or if it fits my wardrobe. Like I would find a really good deal and be like "this thing usually costs like 300$ but I can get it for 40$ this is a really good deal!" while giving excuses like "this will last me a lifetime and it's good because it's high quality", yeah it's high quality but it's gonna stay in the closet most of the time so why does it even matter next time I'm going thrifting I'll need to have a clearer picture of what kind of style I'm aiming for, even if I won't like it in the future. It will feel much more meaningful than to just grab clothes in good quality because there's a good deal on them (unless it's basic stuff like chinos but even then I don't know where the line between a basic item or not ends)
bloxaminoxa
bloxaminoxa•3mo ago
as long as you buy used you dont give as much as an incentive to produce new and hopefully dont help the economy too much. on the other hand when you buy used from someone they might take the money and buy something new...
kyn
kyn•3mo ago
what
Esper
Esper•3mo ago
huh
zeometer
zeometer•3mo ago
you can only control your own actions not those of a reseller or corporation as long as you're content with your own decisions with your own money then that's what matters imo
bloxaminoxa
bloxaminoxa•3mo ago
yeah but imo you basically should try to buy everything used just because there really doesnt need to be more overproduction. so you shouldnt support the clothes industry
zeometer
zeometer•3mo ago
not to dismiss overconsumption and overproduction as valid issues, just noting that
on the other hand when you buy used from someone they might take the money and buy something new...
that's not really on you to police
kyn
kyn•3mo ago
This is a fashion discord server
tun🌻
tun🌻•3mo ago
plus Op is already looking for 2nd hand shopping advice, you don't need to convince anyone :)
carrion
carrion•3mo ago
I buy everything new to fuel the glorious adcent of capitalism
kyn
kyn•3mo ago
My sibling in religion do not come in here thinking “y’all shouldn’t buy clothes” is gonna do numbers
Nayyyyy
Nayyyyy•3mo ago
I will convince them.
zeometer
zeometer•3mo ago
that falls under the umbrella of "finding a reason to support a brand" which is the horse that should go before the cart of "how to consume said brand"
bloxaminoxa
bloxaminoxa•3mo ago
all I am saying is fashion does not have to be connected to buying new things lol and brands are largely fucking stupid because you pay for nothing
kyn
kyn•3mo ago
hmmmm
Nayyyyy
Nayyyyy•3mo ago
My love for sweatshops fuels the capitalist urge to raise the global poor out of substance poverty
bloxaminoxa
bloxaminoxa•3mo ago
no its not I am just saying that buying used still may help overconsumption. best thing is just buying nothing lol
kyn
kyn•3mo ago
not design language.. not craftsmanship… not the brand’s story and legacy.. not communicating to my target in-group… nothing?
Esper
Esper•3mo ago
nothing
kyn
kyn•3mo ago
not supporting an artist whose vision aligns with my preferred aesthetic God im so fucking stupid thank you ian
Esper
Esper•3mo ago
any time
carrion
carrion•3mo ago
what about the parasocial aspect god i wish vivienne would call me
selecttool
selecttool•3mo ago
i buy used because i don't have unlimited funds, even then it would mean id have somewhat of a moral choice to choose between new or used clothing but I don't have that privilege, either way im a tiny drop in an ocean and my decision would only affect how i feel about myself tldr used is cheaper so its cool
bloxaminoxa
bloxaminoxa•3mo ago
the artist gets nothing from you buying whatever he designed. he gets payed a fixed salary
zeometer
zeometer•3mo ago
there's a skill issue but i dint know if it's not appreciating the circumstances in which one would buy from a brand at msrp or not reading the thread first
kyn
kyn•3mo ago
🙂
mattw2
mattw2•3mo ago
I've got some bad news mate.
zeometer
zeometer•3mo ago
definitely a skill issue
Nayyyyy
Nayyyyy•3mo ago
Reject fashion consumption. Embrace moksha.
bloxaminoxa
bloxaminoxa•3mo ago
I mean we probabls shouldnt but also you are right kind of a stupid saying it on a fashion server
mattw2
mattw2•3mo ago
That really depends what kind of company/designer you're buying from. I appreciate sweeping theoretical condemnation of the structure of capitalism as much as anyone but you gotta leave space for analysis of actually existing things.
zeometer
zeometer•3mo ago
we should embrace naturalism i agree
kyn
kyn•3mo ago
there is nuance
Esper
Esper•3mo ago
you're also preaching underconsumption to a server full of people who are probably more conscious of their clothing consumption than 99% of the population
zeometer
zeometer•3mo ago
this is also a thread built on the hypothesis of buying secondhand
kyn
kyn•3mo ago
But yeah if I had to choose between yohji or a high quality of life free from capitalism sorry lil guy you’ve had your run
mattw2
mattw2•3mo ago
Like yes, my friend who designs eyewear for a designer label gets paid a salary, but my jewellery making friend who does it for herself literally survives on her profits.
bloxaminoxa
bloxaminoxa•3mo ago
if I tell you now that clothing designer is kind of a useless job anyways objectively you are probably angry lol
carrion
carrion•3mo ago
Oh my god shutup
kyn
kyn•3mo ago
That’s a fucking dickhead thing to say
Esper
Esper•3mo ago
good lord
kyn
kyn•3mo ago
Does that help
Esper
Esper•3mo ago
i'm pulling all funding from the arts right this instant
Clark'sDesertBot
Clark'sDesertBot•3mo ago
:timer: @bloxaminoxa has been timed out for 1 day. :timer:
Nayyyyy
Nayyyyy•3mo ago
Chat shit get banged
kyn
kyn•3mo ago
Sorry guys don’t do art Art is useless if someone tags art I’ll kill you
bishopcorrigan
bishopcorrigan•3mo ago
Humanity’s only purpose is to survive as long as possible and anything that generates happiness is meaningless in the face of infinite time we could spend spreading like a virus across the galaxy
selecttool
selecttool•3mo ago
ted kaczynski designer workwear brand made to last
mattw2
mattw2•3mo ago
Nothing says you have a good take on useless activities like trying to extract joy from pissing off strangers on the internet.
Esper
Esper•3mo ago
we should just produce carhartt double knees until the sun explodes
Sam
SamOP•3mo ago
:linkSmug: @~art Good bye guys :why_dissolve:
Nayyyyy
Nayyyyy•3mo ago
god bless sam and this thread what a tangent
mattw2
mattw2•3mo ago
Too much sewing. Burlap sacks for all.
carrion
carrion•3mo ago
Anyway sam I hope that helps
Sam
SamOP•3mo ago
:linkThumbsUp:
zeometer
zeometer•3mo ago
this exchange is rather timely https://discord.com/channels/1116793467654381685/1255197478312087672/1295410836017381418 with the emphasis on "spending time to figure out [x] before buying brand [y]"
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