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so basically i tried with my lil brother to play on a lan server like ssential and yes it apparently doesnt work
my main idea is if i do get a server
a standalone one
if i have it running the dh server fork
yup it doesn't work on essential, you can download the minecraft server jar and run it locally and that'll work
yes
but on servers
it says u gotta explore the chunks
for them to load
is that the same for server side fork
that's when dh isn't present on the server. if you get the serverside version on both the server and your clients it'll work
no no i do have a server, with 8gb of ram and stuff
im fine with what im doing and ik how to host
but if i run the server on my pc, like join it
when it has the dh server both client and on the mod file in the server
and preload lets say like 5000 radius
if the other person joins it wont be preloaded for them
right?
i have to share my file for them to see the things
the server will start sending lod data to the other players
oh
it's a slow ish process but eventually everyone will see everything fully loaded around them
this is a pic of my single player world
you might have to mess around with the config file tho
with 3k chunks
if i preload 3k on the server and send it to them
would they see the same?
like that
whats annoying me is the "explore the chunks" first for them to be seeable
you can just send the sqlite over and they'll see the same thing yeah
if you choose to do that you won't need to install the serverside version either
oh so i can just use the one on curseforge
dh
yes
both me and my friend
fire up the server, load chunks
and theyll see?
without exploring
if i share with them
you won't need to load the chunks again if you transfer your sqlite file over to their machine
thats great
although when you build things others won't be able to see that unless they fly over to where you built the new stuff
yeah i get that
but that's a really minor problem at worst
my biggest problem was the fact that we had to explore the chunks
fyi these are the file paths /lodstored
Single Player:
- Overworld:
.minecraft/saves/WORLD_NAME/data/DistantHorizons.sqlite
- Nether: .minecraft/saves/WORLD_NAME/DIM-1/data/DistantHorizons.sqlite
- End: .minecraft/saves/WORLD_NAME/DIM1/data/DistantHorizons.sqlite
- Custom Dimensions: .minecraft/saves/WORLD_NAME/DIMENSION_FOLDER/data/DistantHorizons.sqlite
Multiplayer:
- .minecraft/Distant_Horizons_server_data/SERVER_NAME/but thats prob cause we used essential
thank you
i send them the singleplayer one?
yes
or if i ran a chunky task itd save
in multiplayer
like on the server
itd save on single
if you do it on a server you'd have to explore around to generate lods. you can load the same seed/world up in singleplayer, load all the lods, then transfer the sqlite
like if i join the server and preload
and it finishes and i see everything just like singleplayer worlds
ah
well i have the same seed
as singleplayer
with chunks loaded
the server is the same exact seed
so all i have to do is put the sqlite from singleplayer overworld
to the multipalyer
yup
and send the sqlite to my friend
where would they put it?
so they can also see on the server
in the multiplayer part here
speaking of I was actually curious, if you went around a server loaded all the chunks, could you then give those already loaded chunks to another player?
dh will create a new folder when they join
yes we just talked about that
oh alright
just tell them to have a unique name for the server when they add it to their server list
because dh uses what you put as the server name to figure out which lod file to use
yes that works as well
thank you dude, it was a headache figuring all all this
no problem glad to help
random question does this photo look good
im trying to melt my new 4090
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so it'd be in ".minecraft/Distant_Horizons_server_data/SERVER_NAME/" gotcha
Distant Generation doesn't work in multiplayer, meaning DH won't be able to generate LODs for chunks outside the vanilla render distance.
Instead, as you travel around the world, LODs will be generated for areas you've visited.
Putting DH on your server will allow DH to generate LODs for chunks outside the vanilla render distance.
You will be able to add DH to your server granted it's running a compatible mod/plugin loader (Fabric, (Neo)Forge, Bukkit and their derivatives) once DH 2.3 is released.
If you wish to try the currently unfinished server-side branch of DH, read everything within the pinned message inside this thread: https://discord.com/channels/881614130614767666/1154490009735417989
Keep in mind that this branch is highly experimental, do not use it in critical/production environments.
When asking for support regarding issues with this branch, do so in the appropriate thread.
what's the quality preset at here
looks like high or extreme
high
also may i ask uhh an off topic question
like sort of off topic
I actually had an issue where I went around the whole map, loaded all the chunks then they randomly disappeared and now I have to re-do it
i took this at high i think
high looks pretty nice
yeah go for it
wha
i just said what shaders
bot doesn't like the first word :clueless:
it's bliss
oh isee
i was going to ask
whats the best server hosting in your opiniion
like a site
bisect is getting expensive for me
i have no idea i self host
and i wanna run a huge modpack server with 2 players (the modpack is bmc)
awo k
bmc was pushing my ryzen 7600 to its limits when i hosted it
that pack's really heavy
i have a rtx 4090 and a i9 14900hx
but idk if i should self host
manb
im saying
idk if i should do it cause my ping is very high
my wifi is bad
like yes its enough for me to play on server
but idk if my wifi will affect the other prerson
give it a shot and see if it's playable
my download speed doesnt exceed 600 kbps
better than burning a hole in your wallet with bisect
essential and like a server host site works flawless without any ping issues
minecraft servers use like 100kbps per player
ping would be your biggest issue
so if i self host it can actually go well?
and i have to use a strong pc for the server to be good
it might. only way to know is to try
the 14900hx is a beast
won't struggle running bmc at all
the issue is i dont know how to self host
so i gotta figure that out now
oh no do i need to port forward and all of that stuff too
if your friends are connecting from anywhere other than your home network yes
i dont know how to port forward but it looks super complicated
actually you can just use hamachi i used to do that a few years back https://vpn.net/
that gives your friends a tunnel so you don't have to worry about forwarding ports
i was gonna ask about tunnel services
like zerotier, ik how to use them
just wondering if it would affect ping
they get the job done
a bit yeah but it's usually not by too much
maybe like a few ten ms extra latency
so if i recall
i install the bmc server pack + set it up with all the extra mods like dh imma put
when its running i just use zerotier
is that it
yes
but like how would they join again
using the tunnel ip dedicated to me
yeah that's it
from what i remember when i set up bmc i just installed a fabric server then added the mods in
theres a esrver pack with all the mods
ill just add dh and terratonic stuff
i think i used that
only difference is they joined with my home ip instead of using a tunnel
but other than that it's the same process for getting things set up
i can gurantee 70% chance that the ping will be terrible cause i live in a war country and its terrible here
the wifi is bad
but alright thanks for all the info dude mb for the bother
i've got a friend that's in a country at the brink of war so i get that
im in syria, lol
all good i'm just procrastinating ngl :clueless:
on school?
nah i'm at home working on a personal programming project
neat
alright thank you ill go get to trying now
Can I ask a quick question?
sure
Is it possible to use mods like Bobby with DH to help speed up the process of rendering the chunks on servers?
or would they fight with eachother
bobby only extends your vanilla render distance on the client and doesn't apply to servers
bobby is not like dh
^
but bobby and dh do work nicely together
if you have a beefy gpu that is
bobby + nvidium + dh can look really nice
minecraft
is a terrible game
in optimization
yup
i have a 4090
and its still laggy soemtimes
ok maybe its my fault for pushing the limits but come on man
in a mountain of tech debt and they have to keep compatibility with 10+ year old systems or else people will complain that they suddenly can't run the game anymore
unfortunately that's just how it is at least for now
what is nvidium
i do not have that
is it good with fps
replacement rendering engine for sodium
can do crazy stuff like 100+ chunks of render distance with 0 quality loss, although it doesn't support shaders
how would bobby work with DH?
From my limited understanding Bobby just lets you increase your render distance past vanilla limitations
no shaders
yea that sold me
dh doesn't affect vanilla rendering and bobby doesn't affect dh rendering
so you can do 64 vanilla chunks + 1024 dh lods
just as an example
Could I do like 128 vanilla chunks?
if you have a boatload of vram yes
only works with gtx1600 series cards and newer
and that would help with getting the stuff rendered for LODS to then take over ye?
i think something like a 4090 can do 160 if not more
yes
bet 256 bobby it is
no shaders tho it will look so icky
nvidium doesn't speed up dh's rendering but it does greatly speed up vanilla rendering
yeah sadly it can't support shaders (unless shaders are made specifically with nvidium in mind and a new shader loading mod is made specifically for nvidium)
because it throws out most of the original sodium's renderer in favor of its own
if the mojang employees worked 10 minutes more
nah something like this would never be viable for the vanilla game
no shader support as in I should have shaders off while I load the chunks and then I can turn them on later?
cant use
at all
everyone on macOS or non nvidia graphics couldn't play anymore if this was in vanilla
bedrock:
bedrock got like 90 render or smth lol
they don't work at all because it's a completely new renderer
so if bliss worked with nvidium
it should mean bliss guy gotta make the shaders
on the nvidium renderer
I can still turn them on and iris seems to work fine? Unless I am missing what you mean
ok so we wont get nvidium shader support in a long time
and someone would have to make a shader loading mod specifically for nvidium
so like iris
for example yeah
so you have to make iris and a working shader on nvidium
ok hopefully in 100 years
minecraft if it was on another engine that isnt java
being written in java is fine
modern java is really fast
it's just that the game is 15 years old (was gonna add more but that's a good enough explanation ngl)
then how is it so unoptimized
going back and fixing 15 years worth of old slow code is impossible. too much work would need to be done
so if minecraft was made in like 2022
itd be faster
by tons
if it was made by a big studio with speed in mind probably
nice
If it was made now by Mojang (Microsoft), Sodium, Optifine, Lithium and similar would be part of the game. They would not be required
https://youtu.be/24uI5Tunh0w?t=44 this is a good tech demo that runs reasonably well
Hommedumatch
YouTube
Teardown - Performance test
R7 3700x/ASUS 2070 SUPER/32GBRAM
1)1080P - Vsync off : Average 84 fps
2)1440P - Vsync off : Average 51 fps
3) 1440P - Vsync on "Every frame" vs "Every other frame" : Average 30 fps
this is all voxels sorta similar to minecraft
interesting
Teardown is in JAVA?
no but it's a decent enough example on how fast a voxel game can be if efficiency is a big focus
+ it has built in "ray tracing" shader
the renderer relies quite heavily on ray casting (or "tracing")
ray tracing comes in many many forms
Yeah I remember it being used as an optimization in Treardown
instead of rendering every voxel individually, rays are shot from the camera until they hit something. it's quite heavy but can be pretty fast depending on what you're rendering
I think it was about something that rasterization does not play nice with big voxel amount
yeah that
because voxels can be like 2 pixels total in size
so it's faster to do ray tracing here, abuse TAA, then denoise
I'm curious how would it compare to NANITE
nanite on something voxel-y doesn't work very well
NANITE is a software triangle pre processor if I remember correctly, made to get rid of the GPU triangle preprocessor bottleneck
If modified for voxels it could create dynamic bigger voxels if the area of the current voxels is less the 2 x 2 pixels