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iTeachChem6mo ago
Neko

Atomic structure question

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Neko
NekoOP6mo ago
@iTeachChem sir please help
kaejn_9
kaejn_96mo ago
Option D?
Neko
NekoOP6mo ago
Nah answer is A Although I got D as well You probably used Debroglie's equation right? Here we get 2 different answers depending on if use debroglie or photoelectric effect
kaejn_9
kaejn_96mo ago
I think since it has mentioned KE you probably gotta use photoelectric effect wala eqn .
Neko
NekoOP6mo ago
Yes the question wants us to use photoelectric Although this doesnt explain why we are getting 2 diff answers depending on method
kaejn_9
kaejn_96mo ago
@Neko i think I've got it wait ha
iTeachChem
iTeachChem6mo ago
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TeXit6mo ago
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kaejn_9
kaejn_96mo ago
@Neko put KE=P^2/2m And neglect work function since it won't have any effect. You get your answer then I tried using PV/2 lmaooo I was wrong then did ulta p^2/2m is more standard form. So yes
Neko
NekoOP6mo ago
I know that we will get the right answer this way but please try using debroglie
Cakey Bot
Cakey Bot6mo ago
iteachchem
Transcription requested by Neko
एक equation y equal to mx है, दूसरी equation y equal to mx plus c है, so you can't use the same thing, when you use lambda equal to h by p, you are basically taking y equal to m by x, not mx, whatever, and दूसरा equation h new, take it as this thing, h new equal to h2 not plus half k, right, so you have to account for that work function, which is why you have to use that equation, I hope that makes sense.
Neko
NekoOP6mo ago
But the question specifically says to neglect work function so we can use both equations here
kaejn_9
kaejn_96mo ago
Lemme see
Cakey Bot
Cakey Bot6mo ago
iteachchem
Transcription requested by Neko
Right, right, right, sorry, I missed that. Even in that case, photon key energy is h nu, whereas electron key energy is not that because electron has mass. So conversion of momentum from there, let me think about it, this lambda equal to h by T makes sense for an electron.
kaejn_9
kaejn_96mo ago
I tried putting p=√2mEk But D niklega waise . Maybe I'm not that smart ig or there is some theory part that I am missing maybe .
kaejn_9
kaejn_96mo ago
Haan at first wohi Kiya par bande ko de broglie se answer chahiye So debroglie se toh nhi nikal Raha Mera . Either I'm missing some theory or kuch gadbad kardiya Maine . Lmao
kaejn_9
kaejn_96mo ago
@Neko here u go. I was thinking the same but phrasing nhi karpaya my bad .
Cakey Bot
Cakey Bot6mo ago
iteachchem
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मैं समझा नहीं, किसको डिब्रॉय से answer चाहिए? Some teacher asked this question, you know what? You can't get from Dibroi's equation, because Dibroi का idea है कि dual nature of matter, बढ़ हम लोग उस चीज़ की बात ही नहीं कर रहे हैं हम लोग, हम लोग फोर्टान की wavelength की बात कर रहे हैं, this is dual nature of light, but not the second nature, we are not talking about momentum of light, we are talking about momentum of electron and we are talking about wave nature of light, तो you have to use photoelectric effect.
Neko
NekoOP6mo ago
I see Now I understand why debroglie gives us wrong answer
stormycloud
stormycloud6mo ago
Nice question, they mentioned the work function so the question will be fishy lol, so yah take photoelectric effect and neglect the work function the answer comes to ur door step Is this a coaching book?
g-sus
g-sus6mo ago
2019 pyq
stormycloud
stormycloud6mo ago
Yah I saw that, but was curious whther it was a coaching book or something else lol :]
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