Style Spotlight: Streetwear - Topic of the day 6/22/24

Streetwear - what is it, exactly? Do you know it when you see it?
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njoyer
njoyerā€¢5mo ago
erm if you wear it on the street it's streetwear šŸ¤“ā˜ļø
I'm Lagging
I'm Laggingā€¢5mo ago
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Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
ok Imma rephrase some thoughts I had in a discussion with some people in the server, @adaptation espicially Streetwear is both a lens of looking at fashion, but also a descriptor of a core style that doesn't have other great descriptors Would say in some regards its similar to some broad music genres like that i think it is a lens that is fundamentally irrelevant to capital f Fashion and is essentially "this is what we think is cool", punk type shit. i think theres a lot of rock/punk/rap irrelevance in music that is similar to how streetwear is a lens I can not overrstate enough that streetwear directly comes from a mix of hip-hop, punk, and skate culture and the clothes they wore. It started as counter culture in opposition to the runways. Its what people wore on the street, hence the name And given where its started, its a style that is explicitly non-white for lack of a better term, it wasn't started by privileged white people at ivy league universities, or european fashion designers, it was started by generally poorer people in cities in the US during white flight and i think thats a problematic way of saying that but i suck with words and i think its important to note, this doesn't lessen its validity or anything - its the style today. In contrast to this server, when 90% of people get interested in fashion, its in streetwear if they are under the age of like, 30 And now, because its arguably the biggest "style" in modern fashion, its influenced the capital f Fashion - runways, designer, AND its spread around the world and other cultures have really started to contribute to it See: Off-White and Virgil Abloh getting hired by Louis Vuitton (and his sucessor, pharrel), see Denma's influence which comes from growing up in soviet republics and how that intersected with this, see Nigo's influence who started Bape and has long time had a massive influence (as a Japanese man) on streetwear (he is now creative director at Kenzo) Theres punk, theres rock, theres skate (Supreme started as a skate company), it integrates from other styles (see: loheads, the modern intersection of streetwear and prep) Its hard to describe but you know it when you see it Anyway, lots of different takes on it now (lotta K-pop fashion is streetwear),if you really want an idea of streetwear its easiest to look at either street photographers (eg: @watchingnewyork) or streetwear brands (basketcase, supreme, stussy, etc) and see what how they style clothes
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
part of the confusion is people sometimes conflate sneakerhead culture with streetwear while shoes are a fairly obvious marker that you're engaging in streetwear, i think there tends to be more within each fit, yet some of the criticisms of streetwear being excessive or tasteless are borne from people who wear the newest jordans with the most mid ass fit the other criticisms are from people whose view of streetwear is stuck in 2015 or who are condemning it as a dogwhistle for their antipathy of minorities
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
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Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
Streetwear both isn't logomania, and even if it was logomania is cool actually
Xen
Xenā€¢5mo ago
streetwear is to fashion as hiphop is to music. it was once "too Black" for mainstream white culture but now is core to the DNA of contemporary stuff
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
i think streetwear speaks to the democratization of fashion; it's a bottom-up model of influence where end users dictate the trends and brands either get lucky or have to play catch up but also yes it's a lot of entities cribbing off of Black people
Yakkeks
Yakkeksā€¢5mo ago
Thank you for the explanation. To me (as a person who never really engaged in streetwear) this was really helpful in getting what that was about
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
honestly streetwear is a catchall genre for anything that isnā€™t business casual or formal And some business casual is even streetwear! Like ALD
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
with respect to mfa i think there's a larger percentage of people who attempt streetwear fits (even if the justification is 'i'm wearing sneakers instead of loafers #streetwear), it's just that it often gets wedged in with the other components of house style
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
I strongly disagree in large part cause i don't think wearing sneakers makes something streetwear at all especially since the most iconic americana shoes are cowboy boots (boots) and converse (sneakers) and this server is some mix of americana, ivy, prep, and workwear, which allows sneakers to be worked in easily lol that doesn't make it streetwear to me at all
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
There is no streetwear here Itā€™s like me (who I donā€™t even consider streetwear), damb (who doesnā€™t consider himself streetwear), smiles (who is honestly pretty prep streetwear coded), and eggtart??? Who elseā€™s style is predominantly streetwear?
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
like smiles said, mostly newbies i daresay it might be a feature rather than a bug - someone who dresses in streetwear asks for advice to either dress better usually winds up either in fatigues or andrews and suddenly they're in house style
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
No? I really donā€™t see it that way Thatā€™s because everyone on this server is PRL Andrew-pilled and doesnā€™t give advice relating to what people who are into streetwear should get We are projecting an ideal And that ideal is not streetwear
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
speaking as a single person i generally avoid the question because of how nebulous of an aesthetic it is (unless it's 'should i wear harness boots with a tracksuit')
seth
sethā€¢5mo ago
i fw streetwear still shit's goated when u dont have a bitch in your ear telling you it's wack
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
There's a "uniform" in all the fashion servers I'm in - what mfad describes as "house" is really just a pre-approved rolodex of brands/garments that the server agrees on what's "hard/swag/fire"
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
And for someone new itā€™s difficult to deviate from it because everyone is in an echochamber of what is the ā€œbestā€ beginner shoe, pant, jacket etc Things that are common here arenā€™t necessarily common irl Thereā€™s much more streetwear irl for example Also yesterday was the first time Iā€™ve seen a sub 30 year old wear a blazer casually going outā€¦ ever
carrion
carrionā€¢5mo ago
paraboots mean im not fire reacting even if I liked the fit otherwise be the change u want to see
Yakkeks
Yakkeksā€¢5mo ago
Yeah, I have one friend offline who dresses trad and thats it. And he has to wear an antifa button bc ppl keep mistaking him for a nazi in a grey suit
carrion
carrionā€¢5mo ago
char & smiles are right tho there's basically no streetwear on this server and it's no surprise when the go-to advice is always "prl" or "dad pants are in now" which is just as corny as hating on logos when the question asker is v clearly looking for a different style. It speaks to the (unconscious?) mindset a lot of people have that streetwear is easy or low effort imo. When someone comes in here and drops a handful of streetwear inspo pics and are recommended to read the basic bastard I always laugh so fucking hard because why would you recommend that lmfao
eggtart!
eggtart!ā€¢5mo ago
i wonder if the idea of a overton window applies to how someone understands streetwear vs not-streetwear
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
the irony being ivy is the most low-effort style beyond the basic bastard
Yakkeks
Yakkeksā€¢5mo ago
Perhaps we just need to find a good streetwear server we can point these folx to
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
i do agree there's not really many great references on here (be it in waywt or links)
carrion
carrionā€¢5mo ago
I mean I think if anyone is putting low-effort into their fits it'll show regardless of style. Like if someone looks like they were dressed via a guide that's a brick to me.
Yakkeks
Yakkeksā€¢5mo ago
Ivy is basically "how to wear suits but make it more practical for everyday life"
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
i don't know if the issue is to cast those people away though - 'malefashionadvice' is kinda big tent, and that sometimes means getting people who like streetwear
eggtart!
eggtart!ā€¢5mo ago
idk if there's streetwear server options :xd:
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
that too have you seen r/streetwear or the 'streetwear' section of styleforum lately
eggtart!
eggtart!ā€¢5mo ago
they look ok they just don't look accessible at all im not sure how their server is i assume it's prob different
Yakkeks
Yakkeksā€¢5mo ago
Yeah, but if streetwear is 90% of fashion and we still don't have a streetwear knowledge base on the server than maby we are not as big tent as we would like to be. But your right Sending them away is prolly the wrong move
Benji
Benjiā€¢5mo ago
I feel like I see good fits of stuff closer to streetwear by just scrolling on social media/seeing what people are wearing in NYC I have a feeling streetwear is a bit of a nebulous term nowadays anyway
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
speaking of @watchingnewyork-
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eggtart!
eggtart!ā€¢5mo ago
ngl i really struggle with liking 90% of the fits that i see from that account the kind of streetwear i see on ig/tiktok is very different from the streetwear inspo i see shared here
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
it's the pornography rule in effect - 'i can't define it but i know it when i see it' i think (and i could be wrong please chime in otherwise), the trend cycle for streetwear moves faster than other styles so giving someone inspo runs the risk of it being dated 'wear what you want to wear fuck trends, etc' is still true but it can be harder to find that point of reference if you don't know what you're looking for
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
This server isn't very eclectic for a broad male fashion scope https://discord.com/invite/fashion This one is pretty diverse You can see a lot of different styles here
carrion
carrionā€¢5mo ago
imo the difficulty is that streetwear tends to emphasize the individual's tastes and personality at a base level more than something like ivy, because fundamentally ivy looks "put together" in a broad, social sense. Collared shirt, jacket, trousers, etc - maybe they fit a bit funny or have weird textures to the random, unfashion brained onlooker, but it's still "smart" (dipshit word).
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Ivy is the contemporary normcore imo All my normcore friends from 10 years ago are now ivy
carrion
carrionā€¢5mo ago
It's stupid easy to brick an ivy fit too but there's just more leeway to get away with it. Like it's obv higher effort than average male quarter zip slim khakis but not weird or scary like avant garde or streetwear
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Yeah I have a hard time thinking about what it was like building a wardrobe from the ground up
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
Also a lot of streetwear is ngl, having good taste in graphics/cuts
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
I've been buying gear for over a decade that my shit has been built out for so long
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
Which isn't the easiest thing to just guide someone to
carrion
carrionā€¢5mo ago
this is the other thing & smiles is touching on it too rn
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
It's just knowing your body type, measurements, and like you said - taste
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
I've thought about trying a streetwear bb guide but idk how to tell someone about graphic tees - just pick good graphics
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
You can't teach taste I'm afraid
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
Like similarly you see both baby tees and oversized tees in streetwear Knowing which cut to reach for when is vibes I'm afraid
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Yup I got both
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
I need some baby tees
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Depends on the vibe and season for me Just get some youth xl tees and you'll be set
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
Streetwear is simultaneously the most accessible and hardest to teach
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
I also love size XL free people tees
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
Good looks I'll check em out
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
I'll send you a link to the one I like
Benji
Benjiā€¢5mo ago
YES superb account for streetwear imo
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
Streetwear also is gonna have more microtrend variance to this point Like Tokyo and New York are both gonna have a ton of streetwear, but they will look pretty different (cause they are different cultures on opposite sides of the world) Any major city you think of that can dress with have some of their own quirks
Benji
Benjiā€¢5mo ago
I think streetwear is a more nebulous term nowadays because hypebeast culture is less of a phenomenon
carrion
carrionā€¢5mo ago
even when hypebeast shit was at its peak that wasn't all streetwear. that's why it was called hypebeast.
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Rip hypebeast forums
Benji
Benjiā€¢5mo ago
What examples are you thinking of?
Benji
Benjiā€¢5mo ago
Yah that is different
carrion
carrionā€¢5mo ago
eggtart I really can't overstate how good your inspo drops are
Benji
Benjiā€¢5mo ago
And really good! Wait your link originally brought me to the chickenwithclothes one Is it just me being newer to fashion or are derbies a bigger part of streetwear nowadays?
mattw2
mattw2ā€¢5mo ago
Cannot emphasise this enough. Street wear where I live is very different to the city 40mins away (here very thrifting based, there you're gonna see a lot more brain-dead/pleasures/palace/story/needles/kapital) which is very different to London - and in London it varies depending on where in London you are.
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Thank Tyler for that Oh my bad, Mr. Baudelaire
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
It's just there's a big prep influence in streetwear rn Tyler def played a part in that Hence ALD being so big
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Gosha had a really cool and kinda preppy collection A decade ago Lemme find rq
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Hypebeast
Gosha Rubchinskiy 2014 Fall/Winter Lookbook
Gosha Rubchinskiy presents the lookbook for his eponymousĀ line's Fall/Winter 2014 collection. For
njoyer
njoyerā€¢5mo ago
rip gosha
lyon
lyonā€¢5mo ago
me possibly because i havenā€™t veered too far off yet into the realm of punk but also yeah. streetwear is impossibly hard to define and to channel properly, because it largely is defined by taste and the most i can say in regards to graphic tees is ā€œchoose your logos wisely if you want to wear a big fat logo on your chest but otherwise avoid them entirelyā€ and even that doesnā€™t cover all the bases
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
That is just False Lmao Y'all really need to get over this fear of logos My thoughts process "is this logo cool/iconic or do I fw the brand" It's not that deep This just comes back to what I said earlier Just pick good logo tees
jawntanamo_bae
jawntanamo_baeā€¢5mo ago
Also if you have swag a bad logo tee looks good too
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
Good is nebulous here Also like, idk what graphic tees people here buy but 90% of them incorporate a logo
njoyer
njoyerā€¢5mo ago
you don't wear logos because you think they're tacky i don't wear logos because i know i have bad taste we are not the same
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
There's a misunderstanding here, logos get a bad rep cause swagless people start wearing them not cause they aren't swag
mattw2
mattw2ā€¢5mo ago
Slightly aside but it was cycling kit that changed my mind on logos because all the best cycling kit is really heavy on logos and unashamedly embraces them as a design choice and they're great.
njoyer
njoyerā€¢5mo ago
yeah like i said that's why i don't wear them šŸ˜Ž
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
Refusing to wear a soccer kit cause it has logos on it
mattw2
mattw2ā€¢5mo ago
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Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
Actually ALD did a soccer kit and the made up their own brand logos for it and it looks terrible Would be so much better with real brands
mattw2
mattw2ā€¢5mo ago
Their cycling kit was actually pretty good though.
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
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Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
Like banco de Leon bruh
mattw2
mattw2ā€¢5mo ago
This is really good and knocks off actual brands really well
mattw2
mattw2ā€¢5mo ago
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Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
Wish Chelsea had a collared kit
mattw2
mattw2ā€¢5mo ago
Honestly though, I think there's something in the idea that collabs that feel genuine are cool. Those that don't are bad. I know this is a hot take.
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
This is why I just buy vintage tees, ambiguous logos are sick
njoyer
njoyerā€¢5mo ago
true!
Soup
Soupā€¢5mo ago
this is just a bad copy of a juventus shirt
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
But also, if you don't like the logo on your tee, just cut the tag off and wear it inside out
mattw2
mattw2ā€¢5mo ago
ALD soccer feels like a cash in, ALD cycling felt like an actual cyclist was involved in the design.
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
That's what I do If I see a vintage tee that fits well but I'm not a fan of the graphic, I'll just wear it inside out
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
Their Barca woven jerseys were good It's just a blatant rip off lol
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
Or be more welcoming to streetwear here
carrion
carrionā€¢5mo ago
it's so easy too - don't be fuckin weird about logos or branding - don't hand out the basic bastard to every single person (or any person tbqh but that's just me) wow what a start
lyon
lyonā€¢5mo ago
itā€™s why i said it doesnā€™t cover all the bases racing style things work fine
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
It's ironic that streetwear gets coined under basic bastard and there isn't much of it here Yet the same 3-5 types of fits here get high praise constantly, wouldn't you deem that "basic"? I think it all just goes back to context When someone informed me yesterday that milsurp has been categorized into mfad's "house" I then realized that it's just a circle jerk of people on here picking and choosing what they think is valid A uniform is born, and clone mode begins - y'all just made a new term for it, but it's just a nice way of saying "dressed by the internet"
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
Damb spitting truth
njoyer
njoyerā€¢5mo ago
basic bastard is fine bc those people aren't looking to get into fashion as a hobby they just want to dress functionally for their business casual environments i agree with the sentiments here but only to a point i do not think the purpose of this server is to give anyone advice on streetwear nor does it have to be
eggtart!
eggtart!ā€¢5mo ago
i feel like i need to see some examples of ppl asking for streetwear and not getting streetwear answers
njoyer
njoyerā€¢5mo ago
we don't not encourage streetwear it is simply a different demographic than what is present when you have a community titled malefashionadvice
eggtart!
eggtart!ā€¢5mo ago
or maybe theyre just not shouting they want streetwear and im not seeing the context at all
njoyer
njoyerā€¢5mo ago
i truly do not think anyone is doing that eggtart which is why im scratching my head a little here lol also not particularly fond of singling people out without naming them by saying "x fit made highlights but it's sooooooo boring am i right"
eggtart!
eggtart!ā€¢5mo ago
im understanding it as that we could assume that most qnas are asking for streetwear stuff even if they aren't explictly saying it but i find questions to be deprived of context most times so i think its hard in general i would, either way, like to see a mfad-compiled inspo album for streetwear as mentioned in a previous totd
njoyer
njoyerā€¢5mo ago
also like... look at the age demographics. this isn't exactly a server the youth frequent and tbh i wouldn't be here if it was. NOT to say that streetwear is for the youth only but that is the primary demographic and also where the trendsetters are at
eggtart!
eggtart!ā€¢5mo ago
that could be a chicken and egg thing ngl a lot of the intros are my age range :xd:
Benji
Benjiā€¢5mo ago
Or even younger lol
eggtart!
eggtart!ā€¢5mo ago
i've said this before but mfad posters aren't rly where i get my inspo from (which is completely fine) but i prefer the community by far
njoyer
njoyerā€¢5mo ago
i don't think it's possible to have one or the other between a tight knit community and an echo chamber
Benji
Benjiā€¢5mo ago
Like high schoolers asking for what to wear get sent the basic bastard but that's also just a limit of the server which is fine
njoyer
njoyerā€¢5mo ago
if there is i have not seen it this mfad is an echo chamber n so was the last one, it's just the nature of a smallish community of regulars
carrion
carrionā€¢5mo ago
It's usually younger people asking for advice, showing a few inspo pics that demonstrate they've obviously put some thought into what they wanna put on, and then they get the bb linked as a "start here" guide.
Benji
Benjiā€¢5mo ago
The problem with BB for very young people is I just don't think the OCBD is a basic for someone that age lmao
eggtart!
eggtart!ā€¢5mo ago
nah lmao never gave a fuck about the BB :xd:
carrion
carrionā€¢5mo ago
It's not egregious, but it happens p consistently and it's not helpful if yall are truly looking to diversify
eggtart!
eggtart!ā€¢5mo ago
i think there is a BB streetwear edition but i dislike prescriptive stuff in general i think how to breathe would is exemplar but that's not happening in a discord
njoyer
njoyerā€¢5mo ago
i don't particularly frequent the advice channels because i feel im not qualified but will keep that in mind if i ever feel compelled to give some advice
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Is streetwear not considered fashion for males? sounds like a pretty umbrella term to me
njoyer
njoyerā€¢5mo ago
it's deeper than that, you have to look at the history of this community which has always mostly been people just looking to dress "adult" aka workplace professional it's been what like 15 years abouts? i just don't think those roots are ever going away that will always be the vast majority of people who come here
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
I used to post in male fashion 7+ years ago It wasn't that narrow
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
This one did really well and didn't follow the rolodex
njoyer
njoyerā€¢5mo ago
yeah if you mean r/malefashion that has always been a more open primarily leaning avant garde sub whereas mfa was uhhhhh not that also i remember this post lol damn
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
I got them mixed up, I think mfa at that time was mostly Oxford shirts, barbour bedales, APC denim, and desert boots
njoyer
njoyerā€¢5mo ago
yea pretty much that core dna hasn't really gone away apart from the regulars
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
i think this idea of "we are semi-hostile to streetwear so mind as well give up" is just so bad lmao
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
I agree with this tbh I feel like people here are kinda aggressive towards me for whatever reason
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
its just self fufilling to me
njoyer
njoyerā€¢5mo ago
if we are i truly haven't seen it and i hope you don't think that's what i mean
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
I used to dress "house" in 2017 when I had fashion ego death
njoyer
njoyerā€¢5mo ago
we should be open to streetwear but simultaneously we have not fostered that kind of community ever and have in fact referred them to r/streetwear when we were on reddit the need wasn't there
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
anyone who comes here for streetwear notices theres no streetwear in #waywt , half the people look like they work in an office even on the weekends, people who do post streetwear don't do particularly well in #waywt , and the advice is slanted away from streetwear (fucking someone mentions streetwear and half the server links 10 year old memes at them) and people here go "ya thats the way it is, nothing we can do"
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
I just looked through streetwear and honestly a good chunk of the fits can work here
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
like no that does not have to be the way it is step 1 is having mroe people here into streetwear and everything else will get better
eggtart!
eggtart!ā€¢5mo ago
i just saw this on r/sw discord this is heat ngl
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njoyer
njoyerā€¢5mo ago
there's been some user overlap in the past 100% but yes i agree w u
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
"work in an office even on the weekends" has me dead šŸ˜­ Yeah that guy posts consistently good stuff
eggtart!
eggtart!ā€¢5mo ago
im gonna go compile another inspo drop :xd:
njoyer
njoyerā€¢5mo ago
can u clarify if you mean me by this lol
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Too gorpy/Japanese for me tho 2019 me would have loved that
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
rn yes, but its come up before its just general resistance to change
eggtart!
eggtart!ā€¢5mo ago
like last month
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
ive complained about this before
njoyer
njoyerā€¢5mo ago
it's truly just my observation and there is no resistance on my part i started with streetwear, it's still a part of me i think
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
I'd be curious to see how the heavy hitters on the server fair in the fashion server I linked a few hours ago
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
theres a reason @char.myshopify.com 's always talking about how his least favorite fits hit highlights and his favorites languish in the 20-30 range
eggtart!
eggtart!ā€¢5mo ago
server fit battle would go crazy
njoyer
njoyerā€¢5mo ago
i feel like i am being misinterpreted though and am just gonna duck out
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
I think a lot of the dudes here who get back rubbed by mfad constantly are being blinded by a narrowed perspective
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
i think my problem is just, this idea that this server shouldn't cater to streetwear is stupid im not asking for it to become a streetwear server
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
It's cool to see how other people dress and how someone's outside perception can affect how you think about your next fit(s)
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
im just saying this server could be less hostile to it and ya, i never dress ivy and i don't like it when ive tried, but i love the prep side of streetwear, so being able to talk to people who dress ivy is great but i don't have a ton of people here to talk to about the streetwear side and its true for like, any style every style has something to teach you for your personal style
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Agreed
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
i also think there were a few noticeable departures in terms of providing different aesthetics
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
That's why I love four seasons, it gives me the chance to lean into one aesthetic more than the other I don't touch any of my tech/gorp shit in the summer at allll Go to the techwear server and you have dudes wearing tech all year round
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
not to say that's a vacuum that can't be filled but someone has to be willing to put shit on especially for something nebulous as streetwear
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
yes, but i think a little less hostility to it starting with the advice and general attitude for that will pay dividends down the road like half the people who dressed great a year ago don't post or left the server the server has absolutely narrowed since ive been here
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
that's what i was getting at, yes
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
This server is hella homogenous And the fact the biggest style is met with hostility is kinda a bad look
Yakkeks
Yakkeksā€¢5mo ago
You are right. That was not okay of me.
lyon
lyonā€¢5mo ago
thatā€™s clothes, right? theyā€™ve always got good stuff yeah it is iā€™ve learned a lot tho about how layering and patterns and yes even the logo shirts work from being here and even just lookbooks tbh i still have to wonder tho if my looks donā€™t score well on the basis of them being street-adjacent fits (because i donā€™t know where exactly mine fit) or because iā€™m still fundamentally missing things and the lack of verbal feedback tends to make it hard to gauge
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
This is the way itā€™s always been done is a horrible argument and is used to excuse a lot of atrocities
njoyer
njoyerā€¢5mo ago
for like the fifth time it is not an argument it is an observation the internet has poisoned u into thinking everyone tryna argue that ain't me
jawntanamo_bae
jawntanamo_baeā€¢5mo ago
Yo if youā€™re looking for feedback I suggest using that channel. Totally understand that gauging is hard to do from reacts alone. However, there used to be a social convention of giving ā€œfeedbackā€ in WAYWT on Reddit that mostly was just people being mean so the server has definitely shifted away from that
lyon
lyonā€¢5mo ago
tbh itā€™s for the better i would probably leave if i posted fit and was immediately met with spewing disgust
carrion
carrionā€¢5mo ago
You can always post in #styling-suggestions or make a fit doctor thread in #questions-and-advice - that's the best way to get some fresh perspective and workable feedback.
lyon
lyonā€¢5mo ago
threadā€™s up. finally
artvandelayimporting
Did we ever decide what streetwear is
Benji
Benjiā€¢5mo ago
Have you seen how expensive vintage jncos are rn? šŸ‘€
artvandelayimporting
What do you think benji
bishopcorrigan
bishopcorriganā€¢5mo ago
Streetwear is when I wear a big t shirt
bishopcorrigan
bishopcorriganā€¢5mo ago
I just donā€™t post it most of the time
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zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
i second that emotion
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
for the sake of transparency there are fits for which i've interpreted streetwear, not unlike when i do riffs on westernwear but didn't label it as such because see previous 200 posts
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damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
I'm gonna invite some people to the server that can add some more street flavor to waywt
narwhal
narwhalā€¢5mo ago
This was a really enjoyable read Probably a unpopular idea, but you might help increase diversity by eliminating highlights, which presents as a showcase of ā€œbest fitsā€ to aspire to, when itā€™s actually closer to ā€œpopular fitsā€ for different reasons If your goal is highlights, thereā€™s almost a necessity to fit in
tunšŸŒ»
tunšŸŒ»ā€¢5mo ago
Highlights is kind of redundant too with the monthly top of waywt posts and totd's to be honest And does seem to be one thing that contributes to a lot of the negative energy
eggtart!
eggtart!ā€¢5mo ago
Would you guys be okay with it if I push a totd just for people to post streetwear inspo Paris fashion week needs to go first tho I'll wait Oh wait today didn't went yet
carrion
carrionā€¢5mo ago
yeah it's gotta be explicit tho so we don't rehash discussion lmao like no text posts only pics
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
something similar to the ivy inspiration thread where the intent was posting pictures to use as a reference
narwhal
narwhalā€¢5mo ago
In place of highlights, you could have a regular totd where individual members post their fav fits posted that week You'd have more indivduals "highlighted," more encouragement, a greater range of styles and fits
tunšŸŒ»
tunšŸŒ»ā€¢5mo ago
I like this idea too
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
and i think people explaining why they liked a fit could help bridge the gap between aesthetics someone posting what they liked about a streetwear fit would make it easier to appreciate it even if you don't dress that way yourself
Yakkeks
Yakkeksā€¢5mo ago
Yeah, as someone who has very little connection to streetwear I would find that interesting. Like in general a format of "lets analyze why this fit works" with select fits could be fun as well.
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
Streetwear is so vibes based Iā€™d have a difficult time saying why a fit is good other than itā€™s hard as fuck You kinda have to just be exposed to a lot of it and then realize whatā€™s played out or whatā€™s revolutionary or something People can also have completely different reactions to the same fit and theyā€™re all valid. I.e. someone in a solid cropped hoodie wide pants draped on black sambas fit I think itā€™s v solid but honestly black sambas are played out But others might like it
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
I feel like the overall sentiment in here is that if it's not loafers, a collared shirt or a Blazer it's automatically streetwear Or a graphic tee equates to streetwear
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
Which it isnā€™t
njoyer
njoyerā€¢5mo ago
i would actually really like a cropped hoodie damn
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
Iā€™m saying streetwear being not business casual Iā€™m looking for one
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Women's Uniqlo You're welcome
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
Ik theyā€™re played out but I want the basket case hench hoodie so bad Iā€™ll check it out ty for the rec
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
I have two they suck
njoyer
njoyerā€¢5mo ago
really? i see will also check
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
Huh really? Why so
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Arms are too wide
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
My next thing is a gray cav empt hoodie Oh I fw the wide arms Still into it
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Basketcase is made for people who are 6'4 I'm over it
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
Yea it is People who can wear skinny legged flares and still look good Yea I gotta get an S on the hench hoodie lmao
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
I have a s It's aight
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
Hmm do u have pics How tall are you
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
The old hench hoodie is better than the new version I'm 5'9
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
Damn Okie
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
New one is ass
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
Cav empt it is
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Old one is better Yeah lemme. Get pics of both rq
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
I have a perfect fitting Chinese hoodie I got in Chengdu lmao I want the dimensions with a zip
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
hench v1
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damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
hench v2
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damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Like I said, women's Uniqlo is awesome - I have a zip cropped hoodie from them I love
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
V1 is so much better graphics wise too lol, but ya these aren't cropped
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
womens uniqlo crop (size large)
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damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
If I was 6'2 they would be šŸ’€šŸ˜­
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
Thereā€™s a new hench out I thought I wanted a plain hench 2 The v1 graphic is v good
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
That's a v2 hench papi It just has a screen print It's the same blank
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
Iā€™ve seen them around but i donā€™t like the hench 1 proportions Ah I c
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Go for women's uniqlo tbh, you can try it on in-store and it's only $30
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
Truuuu Ty for the rec
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
i feel like that's a rather broad take which, admittedly, i partook in 24 hours ago i can recognize that there's some outdated tropes about streetwear swirling around mfa and the internet
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
@pc if you have something to say type it out rather than passive aggressively putting a react šŸ˜­
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
but, even accounting for the fact that it's vibes based to an extent there's still a gap between some of the fits presented and biz-caz, weejawnz meta
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
What's weejawnz You have to bear with me, a lot of the stuff here I don't know about
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
separate community whose aesthetic you've just deacribed
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Idk what a ocbd michaels or ald are Nor do I really care to find out but I'm very removed from the meta here Got ittttt
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
Weejawns is actual people who might have some sus opinions
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
my point is that it's pretty obvious few people here have a clear understanding of what streetwear is but comments like this don't help move the needle
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Okay how can I help I thought I was being helpful by inviting people who don't fit mfad clone mode
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
i appreciate the influx of new people posting fit
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
And this is the entire reason why I thought this topic is ironic Asking this server what streetwear is is ironic
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
but afterwards saying "oh hey the consensus of this community on this one topic is wrong" and then offering nothing else to say after everything that got mentioned yesterday doesn't strike me as helpful but the answer could just as well be "log off mfa and touch grass so you learn what streetwear is"
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
The thing is Ivy, prep, trad etc all have a set of rules And theyā€™ve been the same set of rules forever with slight variations
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
or it could be ironic and i'? misreading, who knows (not me)
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
Streetwear is very at the moment So you canā€™t define it bc the definition changes literally every day
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Okay so let's just flip it for a sec Imagine going into a streetwear server and the topic is "what is menswear" Most people there wouldn't know how to answer that Hence irony
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
would the people on the streetwear server have an obligation to answer that question
goofus
goofusā€¢5mo ago
does this lead to a lot of fast fashion and waste?
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
No but neither do we? I'm not obligated to talk about clothes am I
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
or are they free to say "visit r/streetwear peace" cool
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Idk man!!!
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
i guess i don't see the point in having a discussion be completely based in irony but that's me
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
At the end of the day it's just for fun right? We dress well so that we feel good about ourselves ya?? That's why I do it at least I don't do it for reacts or backpats from guys online
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
absolutely maybe, as someone interested in clothes, i (or someone) wanted to know more about it but we're good, i learned something šŸ‘ love and light
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
And wouldn't you say knowing more about clothes means diving into stuff that you're not familiar with?
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
Could very well
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Idk how you're reading my tone but I'm never inflammatory I'm here for the sake of discussion, I could really care less about what you guys think about how I dress
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
so would you consider this thread a way to dive into this or no
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
This isn't new to me, I've been on fashion forums since 2010 And people used to be fucking DICKS
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
we're both recognizing game and i'm fully aware this is online fashion discourse on gentle mode
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Definitely but the scope of the server is so narrow that I think we'll benefit from more variation when it comes to discussions that don't fall under ivy/prep/house/yaddayadda
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
how does one have a healthy discussion then?
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
I'd say it's gentle mode for the most part with the exception of some people who feel agency to sneak diss and be assholes because they have mod privilege
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
like i could say "it's just vibes, search #streetwear on ig" and that is probably correct
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
That shit is whack ngl
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
Yeah thatā€™s how id do it honestly, just exposure But honestly people who tag streetwear are horrible at it You just gotta have ur favorite celeb Like mine is Peggy you
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
i am not a mod and encourage you to bring up your issues to the actual people
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
More variation I guess, I don't think someone who wears blazers and collared shirts 6/7 days a week can genuinely say what streetwear is, does that make sense I'm not losing sleep over it, nor does it matter at the end of the day, just an observation after being here since October
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
who is that referencing? if it's me 1) i'm not a mod and 2) i walked it back
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Not you, you're not the only one here who wears blazers consistently I'm generalizing, just look at top wawyt It's 80% blazers and collared shirts And that's fine!
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
okay but who of those people actually chimed in here
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
No idea I bring it up because you asked why I think it's ironic for mfad to quantify what streetwear is At the end of the day I value the discourse The debate and discussion is great People just get hella cagey here real quick
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
making generalizations on who does or does not have credentials to have a suitable discussion without any other backing is shady
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
It's not that deep
artvandelayimporting
I mean I think itā€™s fair
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
It's not
artvandelayimporting
I got no fucking clue what streetwear is
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
What other evidence do I need Do I need to write a dissertation
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
no you're right
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
He's just saying it's a little funny and ironic Which it is
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
thank you
artvandelayimporting
Mfa discussing streetwear
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zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
i understand and apologize for derailing the discussion
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
Nobody knows whatā€™s streetwear
artvandelayimporting
Itā€™s provocative
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
Art in my broadest definition of streetwear art u wear streetwear
artvandelayimporting
Itā€™s true
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
Like if u showed up in your suit and jordans id be like bet
artvandelayimporting
Iā€™ve been drifting away from ivy lately In the sense that a glacier drifts
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
FWIW I like your style a lot
artvandelayimporting
Thanks
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
park hye jin I guess
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sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
Park hye Jin is amazing Her, Peggy and yaeji the goats
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
Chuck had elements of streetwear, so does Leisurely when he wears Jordans, so do puma and sal sometimes my phone sucks right now so i am unable to offer photo proof
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
Pumas goated at dressing Heā€™s just a fucking troll
artvandelayimporting
Itā€™s crazy but the time rej ms painted a pair of Jordans onto chuck in tailoring completely altered my style
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
Her tattoos are so good I remember that Lmao I noticed a change but wasnā€™t sure when it happened
artvandelayimporting
One year ago the discourse was sneakers and tailoring bad
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
that said i kinda want a pair of chunky sneakers lmao
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
The classic NBA on TNT
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
or else i just need to wear the vans more
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Peggy is the only chick I've seen really rock the fine line tattoos It just matches her personality imo It's one of those things that if you have swag you can pull it off
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
Too many artists called peggy (two)
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
Context
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
I'm converted Ya they both wear streetwear
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
She lol
Smiles
Smilesā€¢5mo ago
Xd
sharloy
sharloyā€¢5mo ago
Thereā€™s man Peggy and woman Peggy
artvandelayimporting
J peggy J press
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
I wouldn't really consider jpeg the same kind of style icon that Peggy Gou is tbh
artvandelayimporting
Iā€™m so fucking high
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
i always likened sneakers + tailoring to streetwear though it's a swag check
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Johnny Knoxville has always been a style icon in my eyes He rocks that suit + chucks vibe really well Jeff Goldblum wishes he were Knoxville imo
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
i think they pull from different modes - goldblum has a clear preference for capitol f Fashion hence why he wears the goofy prada that said anyone from the thps games would fall under the umbrella of streetwear- i think chad muska and bam (for better or worse) are known to some extent for how they dressed
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Muska definitely had his own thing going for a longggg time
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
also i know TTC gets credited for his influence in style but i daresay he benefited from andre3000 existing first
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damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
But I also loved the ZERO skateboards aesthetic at that time of THPS
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
every millenial had or attempted to dress like that in the late 90s lol
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
I feel like a3k got a ton of influence from Prince Remember when hot topic was scary
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
jesus fucking christ yes šŸ˜† hello kitty shirts are the fast track to Satanism, bet
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Satanism and mental illness šŸ’š Aesthetics really had clear cut lines back then
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
speaking of hello kitty and americans appropriating Japanese culture, lamb era gwen stefani was a moment
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Everything is so muddled together now Not that that's a bad thing
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
but in hindsight a giant red flag i appreciate the muddling of the waters
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Lamb era or harajuku Gwen? Or are they the same
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
the two were the same no
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Yeah that would never fly now
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
there was a short turnover from lamb era "what you waiting for" Gwen and "I'm best friends with eve" era gwen
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Blow ya mind still bangs idc!!!
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
technically streetwear and probably one of the first visible instances of streetwear getting co-opted by high fashion and white people i mean we had a whole discussion about separating the art from the artist that got derailed once people started being neolibs
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Did Michael Jackson get brought up? I have so many friends that are split on him after the doc
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
it was in the confines of fashion but veered heavily towards the ethical manufacturing of goods rather than calling out kanye west or galliano as anti-semites
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
I usually duck out when things get political Too hairy
bishopcorrigan
bishopcorriganā€¢5mo ago
As everyone should Not worth discussing on here For the record, if you have an issue with anyone including members of the mod team, it benefits everyone to let us know through modmail
Xen
Xenā€¢5mo ago
fellas am I Streetwear
njoyer
njoyerā€¢5mo ago
no (ur not wearing it on the street)
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
I don't see panda dunks so probably not :(
eggtart!
eggtart!ā€¢5mo ago
Famn I took a power nap and this thread continued without me
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
update just bought a pair of nb 574s mfa's influence
seth
sethā€¢5mo ago
that blue shirt go crazy is that jjva?
Xen
Xenā€¢5mo ago
yessir, SS24
rebound2
rebound2ā€¢5mo ago
i wear the heck out of my gray 574s. you'll get some good mileage out of them
werkinprogress
werkinprogressā€¢5mo ago
@filthy_casul some awesome pics in your inspo drop
njoyer
njoyerā€¢5mo ago
regrettably I've lost a lot of inspo over the years i haven't seen since when i switched phones. will be backing up everything going forward this time for sure
zeometer
zeometerā€¢5mo ago
looked up old muska pics and idk what kind of spiritual awakening he had recently but I'm into it
damb
dambā€¢5mo ago
Just looked at his IG he went full granola lifestyle Love to see it
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