Low CPU usage, but high CPU temps

Hi, Im getting low CPU usage (like 15-20%) but high temps (83C) on my Ryzen 5900X. -Minecraft Launcher 1.20.4 using Iris Fabric + Sodium Indium with 8G RAM (32 in system) and RTX 2080. -360 AIO that cools very good almost any other game, Its just the first time I see more than 80C when CPU usage is that low, all 9 fans go 1800RPM. -When I turn off the DH mod it goes back to 60C Thank you so much for the help!
Solution:
You can change the thread settings to maybe not use all 12 cores. 10 is probably pretty good, and leaves 2 cores to do things like consistently render the game.
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DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Temp difference DH on vs OFF
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Puhpine
Puhpine9mo ago
You are probably thermal throttling, with 76 c at 11% load. Maybe the thermal paste has dried up?
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Hello and thanks for the fast reply, can I test that with other application? Because I dont notice this with other games I play
Natalya
Natalya9mo ago
that cpu has 12 cores, probably DH/Minecraft aren't using that many cores (explaining the usage) but are driving the cores they are using hard (explaining the temperature)
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Can I set DH to use more cores?
Natalya
Natalya9mo ago
yes Increase the CPU preset or go into the threading settings and increase the thread counts
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
On BIOS?
Natalya
Natalya9mo ago
no, in DH You can't magically add more threads in the BIOS, at least not unless you first download more RAM
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Hahahahah
Natalya
Natalya9mo ago
Increasing the thread counts will probably make temperatures rise some more, but it'll also be quicker to finish processing and so it should create less heat overall.
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Tought It was sme option on BIOS to enable multithreading or something
Natalya
Natalya9mo ago
Simultaneous multithreading, idk how much of an effect that would have here.
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
So the DH preset to "Aggressive" and Where is that thread counts setting? Im looking in advanced options
Natalya
Natalya9mo ago
Just try with aggressive and see if that works
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
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Natalya
Natalya9mo ago
I know messing with the detailed thread settings makes it easy to accidentally cause stuttering just try the current config
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
73C, much better
Natalya
Natalya9mo ago
Is CPU usage still about the same? I wanna confirm my mental model.
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
This is the jump from Aggressive to Paid for the whole CPU
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DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Same temp 73
Natalya
Natalya9mo ago
ah, well, that's a bit higher usage as expected
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Distance is 12 chunks FPS is 90
Natalya
Natalya9mo ago
same/lower temp at 100%? is it power throttling? not important to answer, I'm just really curious
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Same temp with 30 and 100% use
Natalya
Natalya9mo ago
crazy
cola98765
cola987659mo ago
Probably was reporting hotspot all the time
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Actually goes up 3C when going from 100% use to 35%
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Natalya
Natalya9mo ago
Yeah, but I'd expect the hot spot to be what thermal throttles it, no? More CPUs = more heat, so adding CPUs should never decrease temperature unless there's some sort of resource contention, such as a power budget.
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Power mode is Balanced And cpu idle is 2%
cola98765
cola987659mo ago
Then probably combination of power limit and hotspots readout
Natalya
Natalya9mo ago
I don't think your power mode is gonna change much how full load behaves I assume you have the world generator running?
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
I hope this helps
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DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Resolution is 3440x1440
Natalya
Natalya9mo ago
5GB/s allocation rate, any lag spikes? lol
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
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DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
No lag spikes
Natalya
Natalya9mo ago
you have a good system 👍
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Sorry yes lag spikes lol
Natalya
Natalya9mo ago
the poor garbage collector are the lag spikes every ~1.5-2 seconds perchance?
cola98765
cola987659mo ago
Hotspot temps are per core and AMD has more tendency to use only one core instead of spreading the load. Indeed thermal throttling is calculated from that, but you only get tiny bit hotter fron nearby cores as already the limiting factor fos how quickly the CPU case can pull the heat from silicon.
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Is when I move camera And run after that RAM is 32GB 3600 DDR4
cola98765
cola987659mo ago
But allocated is only 8
Natalya
Natalya9mo ago
Lowering the CPU preset can help with stutters. Also, the default garbage collector Minecraft uses it kinda spiky, so you can change that to like ZGC or Shenandoah
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
The problem I have is that lowering the cpu preset temps go 83C
Natalya
Natalya9mo ago
Increasing MC's allocated memory should extend the time between lag spikes, but with the default garbage collector the spikes get worse.
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Or 73C if its reading hotspot right?
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
This is my cooling curve and fans
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DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Set at 100% RPM 80C
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
When I disable DH
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DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
I wouldnt mind to be at 73 when playing but all 9 fans sound very very loud
Solution
Natalya
Natalya9mo ago
You can change the thread settings to maybe not use all 12 cores. 10 is probably pretty good, and leaves 2 cores to do things like consistently render the game.
Natalya
Natalya9mo ago
picking numbers is very trial-and-error
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Hold on I think youre a magician Just did that and cpu load is 5% temp 65
Natalya
Natalya9mo ago
that is magic, because that result does not make sense to me 🙃
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
And not lag spikes I keep checking if DH is on because i dont believe it
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
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DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
How does that make sense Keeps the same when activating Bliss shaders I cant thank you enough! Just a couple questions, can I use Chunky to pre render my survival world and have better performance? And could I try 9 threads instead of 10 to see if temps goes even lower?
Natalya
Natalya9mo ago
Chunky I believe will perform the same as DH's generator, however DH's generator only generates LODs while Chunky actually pregenerates the world so that it doesn't need to generate when you move around. And for threads, I just guessed a number that would give some breathing room for other threads like the render thread, so your experimentation will probably do a better job than me.
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
I dont know why but temp came back 79 Didnt touch anything It fixes when restarting the world 79 to 65C stable Maybe the more time I play, the problem will start?
Natalya
Natalya9mo ago
As you move around it has to change LODs, might just be that
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Im testing at the same spot, but temps go high
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
If I stay on the same chunk kinda playing normal/slow its like this which is good
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DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Last time I changed thermal paste was like 4 years ago I dont do heavy use but.. maybe its time
cola98765
cola987659mo ago
~0% CPU load indicates that generating is done
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
And what other DH task could be causing the high temp? I dont seem to understand, now the solution that worked before doesnt anymore
cola98765
cola987659mo ago
DH will not casue "high temps", it can casue "high CPU usage" and eny form of high CPU usage will lead to high CPU temps DH is not magical in the load profile, just unusual for gaming as it's closer to benchmarks
txk IMcrafter
txk IMcrafter9mo ago
it really is sorta benchmark for a system! @DA96FUNK , forgive me if being too obvious, but i'd recommend playing MC with DH from an NVMe drive, in case you don't this won't fix temps, nor FPS, yet, it would make DH sensibly faster, as far as I've experienced it
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Hi thanks for the answer! Im playing on a nvme samsung m2
txk IMcrafter
txk IMcrafter9mo ago
aight, nothing to say. Yeah, your system is great! actually, you experience high temps is fine. Counter-intuitive, but you can also limit FPS. That would prevent GPU from making unnecessary frames, thus lowering temps
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Ive tried limit it to 50-60-70-80 I dont know what to do ill replace the thermal paste Could be that Even when im not moving, 5 mins in same chunk, or 1% load, temps go 75-80 but when i turn off DH they go black to 65
Poob
Poob9mo ago
This is just expected behavior for these chips. My only concern would be if you're getting these same temps without distant gen enabled. For reference my 5950x will hover around 65 - 70c with normal gameplay, no distant gen enabled.
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Hi Poob, without distant gen it sits around 65
Poob
Poob9mo ago
Then that sounds fine.
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
I dont mind going 80 but as i have 9 fans they go brrrr and feel like Im on a Boeing
Poob
Poob9mo ago
Set a custom curve in the bios you can probably set the case fans lower while keeping the cooler fans higher
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Yeah im using signalrgb pro and the curve sets to 100% rpm at 80c Is that good?
Poob
Poob9mo ago
That should be fine
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Yesh that was my idea
Poob
Poob9mo ago
mine is air cooled
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
The pump is set on bios but i dont remember what setting i put Its a Asus Lc strix But i humbly think its some DH setting im not seeing
txk IMcrafter
txk IMcrafter9mo ago
Me, personally, a laptop user, yesterday I've discovered having 95c degrees on CPU and 92c GPU ran to lower the frequency and set other limits and put a thermal pad under it. thus lowering to 65c So your complaint about 70c, sounds...
Poob
Poob9mo ago
This is normal. Anything besides minimal impact and " I paid for the whole CPU" will easily push 80c You were most certainly thermal throttling.
txk IMcrafter
txk IMcrafter9mo ago
correct
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
No im not complaining on 70 But as i approach 78 all the noise from the fans is huge And load is like 5%
Poob
Poob9mo ago
Yeah, only a custom fan curve will help you there. Personally id just use the bios settings for the curve. Software can be wonky
txk IMcrafter
txk IMcrafter9mo ago
haha XD, i see! i wish to upgrade the thing. But it actually works, and is a prove it's fine to work with such
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
So earlier someone told me to change the threads on DH settings from 12 to 10 and that worked perfectly but just for 10 minutes Went from 80 to 65 Its weird
Poob
Poob9mo ago
Don't think changing that would affect temps much. As far as i've seen, itll just push your cpu so long as you have the thermal and voltage headroom. You will most likely always reach 80c regardless.
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Its just feels weird to see all the new videos mentioning good performance but i try it and i get 80c even on low impact setting haha
txk IMcrafter
txk IMcrafter9mo ago
good performance could be achieved, yet how? lemme explain what i see on it there are 3 thing DH does, it creates, reads and unpdated LODs and while you're exploring the world, its the heaviest way of experiencing it. Because the chunks are created there for the first time, and LODs get rendered there, too
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Ah, got it
txk IMcrafter
txk IMcrafter9mo ago
I'm going to use it on a server, with the world pregenerated, then LODs, too. after that, it would only be a matter of reading and updating LODs
Poob
Poob9mo ago
Like i said, anything besides minimal and all core (depending on voltage) will push high thermals
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
A question What if i pre generate with Chunky Like a lot
txk IMcrafter
txk IMcrafter9mo ago
just fine
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Then it just reads right? No creation No rendering
txk IMcrafter
txk IMcrafter9mo ago
Chunky generates chunks Yet, LODs have to be rendered by DH this takes time as well. Can be pre-done in Singleplayer, as you have the distant rendering available there
Poob
Poob9mo ago
Heard ppl say it helps. I haven't seen anyone really test it to confirm anything lol
txk IMcrafter
txk IMcrafter9mo ago
I'm the one to confirm xD literally, when DH is NOT rendering any new LODs, it's lightweight oooooh my, IT really is
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Sorry if dumb question but why on the low impact preset, it still uses 100% of threads even at low cpu load?
cola98765
cola987659mo ago
Thats AMD
txk IMcrafter
txk IMcrafter9mo ago
um, this i don't really know Yeah, I'm Intel, sry
cola98765
cola987659mo ago
If you mean that one core is at 100% whike other idle
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
There was some cpu program to set specifically cores and threads to games iirc? Would that help? To maybe limit spike use to like 80% Because ive found that limiting the cpu to 50% on windows power plan solves the temp problem but yeah.. 40 fps
cola98765
cola987659mo ago
It would reduce the hot spot, but ~70C hotspot is not that bad really
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
60%? Still 80c
cola98765
cola987659mo ago
CPUs are weird
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Yeah : ( And ive always tried to take care of this cpu Like 80% of time undervolted Low performance setting etc 45c
txk IMcrafter
txk IMcrafter9mo ago
those percentages in Windows are weird to me, lol. I have an Intel that can go upto 3.95GHz Yet a 70%max in profile, makes it lower down to 1.50GHz. That's because you need to see the Base Clock Frequency. That's the one that's it calculating from
Poob
Poob9mo ago
I keep saying that's expected behavior 😭
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
For me i have two icons on the task bar, when im gaming i use balanced and when im just multitasking or browsing i use low power plan, the difference on idle is 40-45 to 70c And i dont notice lag I get it 😭 but its weird because even on low impact, all chunks rendered, static, low load, still 80c Tried high also
Poob
Poob9mo ago
Are you sure it's finished then?
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
On "paid for the whole cpu" is when i get the lower temps
Poob
Poob9mo ago
That's just the nature of how CPU work.
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Also tried 8, 10, 12 and 24 on thread settings But why when i first tried 10, it lowered the temps to 65 for like 10 minutes?
Poob
Poob9mo ago
On all core you distribute power more evenly across all cores. Also you're limited by power since all cores have to draw power thus limiting clock speed and reduced temps overall. When you aren't pushing all cores you'll have more voltage headroom for higher clocks which translates to higher temps. This I'm not sure honestly.
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Ive learned a lot, appreciate it! Ill just update here in case new thermal paste works Because for example on msfs2020 it doesnt go higher than 75 But after 4 years i guess termal paste needs a change
Poob
Poob9mo ago
4 years sounds like a lot lol
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
I dont game a lot but yeah.. I have a problem with the stick on the mobo I feel dumb saying this But the stick on the mb that holds the cpu on site Just doesnt work and the cpu its like stuck, you have to apply force up on the aio block So thats why 4 years haha
Poob
Poob9mo ago
😭
DA96FUNK
DA96FUNKOP9mo ago
Sup!, so I just changed thermal past because there wasnt any after 3 years hahah, temp back to 65-70!
Puhpine
Puhpine9mo ago
Nice!
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