Cozymaxxing in warmer climates?
I was digging through waywt and came across this super cozy fit, and it awakened something in me, but then I remembered I'm in Texas and it's already spring.
https://discord.com/channels/1116793467654381685/1116800072093532191/1211848571314376704
Is it possible to achieve this level of coziness and comfort with lighter materials without resorting to actual loungewear or athleisure? (I already have Vuori pants, which are extremely comfortable for lounging, but I don't wear them out because they're super thin.)
I have some terry shirts from Scotch & Soda that are probably close to what I'd call warm-weather cozy if that's a thing, but I haven't found anything in pants that would be comparable while still looking good enough to wear out but neither heavy enough to be hot nor light enough to lose the cozy vibe.
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so is the question "how can i achieve this same exact vibe with completely different pieces in a completely different setting?"
linen can be cozy and breezy.
i think this look gives cozy vibes https://discord.com/channels/1116793467654381685/1116800072093532191/1219697745267392562
yes...
not exact, but more just things that can be worn in spring or even summer that still have generally cozy energy and produce the same feeling
looks good, but I'm too OCD for linen. The wrinkles drive me insane and the texture is usually a bit rougher than ideal to me
Have you considered not
if you like terry cloth shirt just buy terry cloth shorts
I have multiple terry shirts, both that camp style shown and some barbour polos, but I don't know what can produce that level of coziness in other pieces, specifically pants that are not sweatpants or athleisure
I'll bring it up with my therapist, but yeah, every linen shirt I've bought I've ended up selling or giving away for that reason
they always look great on other people no matter how wrinkled, but when I'm wearing one, I feel like I need to find an iron all the time
not that I actually iron them, but you get the poing
I mean straight up if you can only wear like cotton I don't know if this is really even possible
Towel shirt maybe
Rails Wyatt Shirt gives you the same gauzy/breathable vibe as linen while being very soft and all cotton
I have the blue melange one, and it is probably my favorite shirt right now
I'll take a look at that, thanks, but I do think it's worth pointing out that cozy isn't the same as just comfortable, as it has to be somewhat substantial to give that extra softness vibe, not just weightless and breezy
like silk is soft, but it's never cozy
It is more substantial feeling than linen
I think going for pants that are intentionally cut to be roomy and long so they stack a bit might be a good call here. The pooling here gives a cozy vibe but the extra space between fabric and leg gives breathability regardless of what kind of textile/weave it is.
but if you don't like how linen wrinkles i'm not sure you'll like pants dragging
love these, but that was going to be my first comment, especially in this color, how do these not look filthy at the end of the day?
they do if you zoom in
how is the transparency on these in the lighter colors?
price to pay for the specific vibe i guess
I've never tried it on, but the white one is definitely a little transparent when I felt it in store
I guess there's always like parachute pants or something that could be very roomy but cinch at the ankles, although those rarely come in 'cozy' materials
thanks
are there companies that make proper pants in modern cuts that use the same kind of technical materials as someone like Vuori? most actual techwear seems to be optimizing for the outdoors rather than the indoors, but it seems like space-age fabric technology would be useful if you had to make something simultaneously cozy but still super breathable
My first thoughts on pants were Outlier Ramiefall or Bonobos Weekend Wanderers. I also just googled harem pants, and the yoga pants by Ajjaya look cozy yet breathable to me
looking at the ramiefalls, and they do use the word 'cozy' in the description, so that's promising
maybe this is the answer since I was looking at getting 107s anyway:
OUTLIER
OUTLIER - Ramiefall 107 Yes
The driest kind of cozy in a patch pocket pant, with an elastic waist. The Ramiefall fabric takes all the open magic of ramie and turns it into a warmer, fuzzier, midweight beast that combines our relaxed and chill Yes Pants silhouette with an OG 107 pocket set up. Elastic waist with a 3Bar + external paracord 550 draw
any idea how often they tend to restock?
I really like silk for warm weather, it is cool and dry and drapes better than linen and is softer than anything else
I do too generally, but I think of it more as flowy than cozy, if that makes sense. Cozy has to be slightly more substantial, almost fluffy even, not just soft and weightless
I get that, i think cozy is different for everyone but i know the vibe you're going for
like heavy knit, or fleece, or even sherpa would be ideal, if they weren't also too hot
terry kind of works like what I already mentioned, but for pants it can still be hot, and it often looks lazy if not styled right
Having grown up in Texas, i think the vibe youre going for is antithetical to our summers lol
sadly, I think you're right, but I feel like there's some hope for some of these technical materials which might be able to get around that
I mean maybe there's a silk jacket out there? So you can feel like you're wearing a jacket without dying in June?
that might not be cozy, but I do like the idea on its own
is there such a thing as silk pants that don't instantly read as pajamas?
outlier depends, some stuff does not restock at all
Yeah I think lots of suits are made of silk so you could get silk slacks? Not sure how cozy youd find that
Outlier makes 107s now interesting
ouch, not seeing many on grailed, ebay, etc either
yep...
bishop lay it down
Outlier produces in relatively small quantities and has a very dedicated fan base
are there dedicated BST threads anywhere that might be more likely to have some?
i only have one item from outlier but i like it a lot its very fun.
It’s pretty hard to find deals on their stuff other than their blind box things which are kinda crazy
I would say outlier is only really doable if you are willing to pay close to retail or are weird enough to not actually care what you are buying as long as it’s “bottoms” or “tops” which is how the blind box thing works
Subscribe to their newsletter if you want to keep up with them, they email about drops and the stuff sells out relatively quick
https://outlier.nyc/products/experiment-392-warmform-sleeved-poncho fwiw i bought this from them at retail and it sold out in M by the next day
OUTLIER
OUTLIER - Experiment 392 - Warmform Sleeved Poncho
An experiment in contradiction: a turtleneck, a sweater, a poncho — with sleeves. A cuffed poncho is maybe the most accurate though, as the sleeves are left open on the inner-body seam where they would usually be sewn shut. More importantly, though — the whole thing is pure Warmform Merino goodness, like a blanket that
If you want something else that’s really loose and cozy potentially you could try some variant of Thai fisherman pants
do they make something like that in this same fabric? I'm mostly looking at the ramiefall because it's supposed to be cozy but mid to ligher weight than most other cozy fabrics
Here’s an old pic with some cheap Thai fisherman pants
I like the vibe, but to be cozy it has to have at least some of that fluffy aspect to the hand
I will say, I like outliers more interesting stuff, but ime they’re overselling the fabric stuff a bit, the differences aren’t that noticeable at the end of the day
Anything fluffy is inherently warm
It’s just physics
Fluffy traps air
we put a man on the moon, you're telling me we can't make fluffy pants that aren't hot?
nope
Trapped air is insulation
Sorry landing someone on the moon follows thermo dynamics
I haven't tried outlier, but I did have some of those microfiber sheets which claim to use outlast or whatever the nasa fabric is called, and it did seem effective even though they felt moderately cozy
they were probably close to flannel in the hand but breathe as well or better than percale and were much cooler to the touch initially
I’m not gonna pretend to know every fabric, but my experience with outlier is that it’s largely just stretchy fabrics or not stretchy fabrics
Like their linen doesn’t dry me off faster, the merino t shirts aren’t cooling they’re actually hotter than my regular t shirts
It may be possible to get fluffy, breathable, not see through, all in the same fabric but those aspects want to work against each other so it’s tough
For silk you could find something like this maybe
I tend to think that has to be the case too, but even a marginal improvement in breathability for something that is already somewhat lighter but has a moderately cozy feel could help
have you felt the ramiefall fabric?
Search for silk slacks to get non pajama options
Nah I don’t have anything in ramiefall
looking at a few now, thanks, trying to decide if I could pull them off without looking like a genie cosplay
The cinched hem is where it becomes genie
I would highly advise against that detail
It makes them look worse and makes your breathability worse
I'll keep that in mind
airflow is definitely a larger concern than even material
I'm noticing that with tees, some of the super advanced blends and techical fabrics which are super cooling still feel considerably hotter if they're at all fitted compared to just some oversized shirt printed on the cheapest blank imaginable so long as it has enough room for more air to flow
although having enough airflow and also an advanced fabric might be even better, obv, the difference in air circulation matters more than fabric
but that's a separate issue from coziness, which will automatically restrict airflow if not within at least through the material
Have you considered something like a tropical wool/linen blend? Might give you the fabric heft and visual impact that it seems like “cozy” is coming from but without the downside of wrinkles like linen gives. I can’t say if that’d still be too warm for Texas but that’d be my starting point if regular linen were off the table
no, but if it doesn't wrinkle, I would definitely be interested. Is there a particular brand that you'd recommend looking at?
I think Evan Kinori had/has some? Let me take a quick look
https://evankinori.com/products/two-pleat-pant-tropical-wool-linen these are the ones I was thinking of, although in my mind they had more of a wool texture vs these which look quite similar to a structured linen
evan kinori
Two Pleat Pant - Tropical Wool/Linen
A loose and slightly tapered pant cut from a black tropical wool/linen blend lightweight plain weave cloth from Japan - featuring slash front pockets, rear welt pockets with button through flap, ‘clean finish’ cotton bound seams throughout, corozo buttons, ‘hollywood’ waistband construction, bound button fly and single needle belt loops.Hand num...
thanks
Yep! I think you have it right in that there’s only so much you can achieve with fabric, a lot of it will be driven by having wider/looser fitting garments with more airflow. Some materials are better at allowing airflow through but any garment with wider hems will let air in and out freely, and also tend to look more “cozy”
maybe you'd like rayon, it's soft and works well in warm weather if the cut is loose
linen/cotton blends also don't wrinkle that much so that might be another option for something lightweight. rayon blends are another option too
vince has some great pants in hemp or wool that kind of have the vibe i think youre going for
thanks, I'll check those out although wool seems like it might be hot, but I know that isn't always the case as it's also used for merino tees which are pretty breathable
I like the look of these, but it's unfortunate that they only come in shorts
Wool hopsack fabric might work for you. Also maybe linen knits? They don't have the same wrinkling issue. Not sure if I've ever seen linen knit pants or shorts though.
thanks, I'll look into that. As for linen, are knits using it also significantly softer? my other complaint with linen is that it tends to be rougher than I'd prefer, not to the degree that it's uncomfortable but also not quite cozy
what about something like the grey issey miyake homme plissé?
more than I want to spend, obviously, but there are supposed to be various dupes and these meet the criteria of being textured but also breathable
looks like a good option
this looks really comfortable, but are the sleeves annoying at all? I don't have long arms, so I'd be worried that they would slide down too far and get in the way, and tailoring seems like it would be hard/impossible to do without ruining the unique finish on the cuffs
r/outliermarket might be the most active BST thread of any brand haha
Yes, although I also find pretty much all woven linen to be very soft after a couple of washes
I was just about to check that out after also asking on their discord. Apparently they're going to bring back the 107 in twill but everything in ramiefall is finished
Your transparency comment has me looking for a white linen shirt that isn't see through now
that seems impossible but I wonder if anything thick enough to be opaque might solve the wrinkling problem also
might not be a popular option though since the point is generally to be light and cool
@🍄 @Jibba are there any HP issey dupes that are semi-decent quality and can be bought new? The zara ones are gone and most of the others I'm seeing seem to be shein-tier
I got cos ones, which seem fine. I'd imagine most would probably want to get the real thing used rather than Cos retail, though.
I saw those too but they're also no longer being made from what I can tell
(I've never handled real issey, so I don't know how it compares exactly.)
Here's where I got mine, it was $45 at the time, so might be worth waiting for a sale, if you're a small/xsmall https://www.yoox.com/us/30243910AD/item#dept=women&sts=sr_women80&cod10=30243910AD&sizeId=-1
Cos textiles have always disappointed me irl sadly
What’s the budget again?
probably $100-150
somewhat flexible but also don't want to necessarily invest in something like the isseys if I'm not yet sure how much use I'd get out of them
does the sizing on these work like the others where the only difference is length or is the waist more constrained?
I believe the inseam gets longer with the larger waist sizes. The medium fits me, as someone with a 33 inch waist. I'd say the inseam is around 30 inches. The rise is quite high, going just above my navel.
I will say that one of the biggest advantages of issey, from my understanding, is that the pleats allow them interesting movement without using stretch/elastane, which these have.
thanks, do you know if they ever made them in grey?
No idea, sorry!
np thanks again, I'll keep looking around and see what's out there. They did at least do black, but do you think that might somewhat push them away from working with more casual fits?
most of the people styling them with more comfort/cozy or streetwear vibes seem to go for the grey
I don't want to be the blind leading the blind here. I can't say I'm sure. I suspect, generally, the texture on them makes them inherently casual. I think, if you search Issey, you'll find a good amount of examples of people on this server styling them in a casual way. This is how I've styled mine. https://discord.com/channels/1116793467654381685/1116800072093532191/1218255441516040283
definitely works well with other cozy pieces like you have here, I'm just wondering how versatile it would be with more warm weather looks in the darker colors vs grey or lighter colors
I'm not sure, sorry. I think drawstring pants in general would be worth a try though
No idea, really. I'd imagine mostly the same as any other casual pants of the same color.
Btw, I missed this, but I think, if your budget is $150, might as well get the real issey used, since I think that's about the going rate.
Another cozy summer shirt option that came to mind
No Man Walks Alone
Net camp collar shirt in white and powder blue openweave cotton mix
"Substantial and soft like a good blanket should, but with an open weave that lets that vibe translate well in the heat. Wear this like you would a terry cloth shirt, with swim trunks by the pool, or tucked into something a bit fancier and a pair of raffia slippers."---Ludwin Details 48% recycled cotton, 24% cotton, 18
thanks, that texture looks like a good alternative to terry with more airflow
is the softness comparable to some of the softer terry shirts?