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KKinde
•Created by firemansam on 4/7/2025 in #💻┃support
What counts as an monthly active organisation | also how can I have a user belong to multiple tenant
currently my app is org based and has no concept of a user owning anything, I have a preference like this as it keeps a lot of flexibility around eventually upgrading, whats the downside for making a org per tenant?
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KKinde
•Created by firemansam on 4/7/2025 in #💻┃support
What counts as an monthly active organisation | also how can I have a user belong to multiple tenant
the part of your response I'm not fully understanding is below, if one user can belong to multiple organisations, then it seems you support my use case completely
Currently, Kinde's model associates each user with a single organization. For your free tier scenario where a user might need multiple “tenants,” a common workaround is:
Default Organization Approach: Assign a default organization (using a custom meta field or your own database mapping) for free users. This way, free tier users only have one official organization in Kinde.
Application-level Tenant Management: Manage additional tenant contexts on your side—locking the teams or tenant features behind a paywall. When a free user decides to upgrade, you can then create and manage official organizations in Kinde for each tenant.
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KKinde
•Created by firemansam on 4/7/2025 in #💻┃support
What counts as an monthly active organisation | also how can I have a user belong to multiple tenant
but if a org only counts as active monthly with two users I dont really have any reason not to create an org for every individual user right? Or is what youre saying is that one user cannot be associated with multiple orginisations? Based on a monthly active org only counting with 2 or more users I have no reason not to make an org per tenant (weather they are a single user in my free teir or not)
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KKinde
•Created by firemansam on 4/7/2025 in #💻┃support
What counts as an monthly active organisation | also how can I have a user belong to multiple tenant
if this is accurate than it means I should always just add the user with an org and can just make the teams function locked behind a paywall (which was the plan anyway)
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KKinde
•Created by firemansam on 4/7/2025 in #💻┃support
What counts as an monthly active organisation | also how can I have a user belong to multiple tenant
I decided to ask the kinde ai and got this in response
For Monthly Active Organizations (MAO), Kinde has specific criteria for what counts as "active". An organization is only counted as active if it has:
At least 2 users AND
At least one of those users signs in to the organization during the billing period
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KKinde
•Created by firemansam on 3/11/2025 in #💻┃support
multitenant multi org to single auth user setup
sounds like you guys are worth a POC and possibly a switch, really appreciate the help
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KKinde
•Created by firemansam on 3/11/2025 in #💻┃support
multitenant multi org to single auth user setup
that sounds reasonable and means I only pay for users who are paying with the exception of the much more generous 10k MAU
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KKinde
•Created by firemansam on 3/11/2025 in #💻┃support
multitenant multi org to single auth user setup
ahh cool, so if I have a free tier,
free tier user signs up -> I create the org in my db and in kinde -> because its an org with only one user it doesn't count towards the 50 included in the pro plan -> user upgrades to my paid plan and adds team to his org -> now with 5 users it counts ongoing
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KKinde
•Created by firemansam on 3/11/2025 in #💻┃support
multitenant multi org to single auth user setup
and I'm not sure if I've just missed it but I haven't been able to find how many client_id and client_secrets I can create included in the plans.
Thanks again for the help
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KKinde
•Created by firemansam on 3/11/2025 in #💻┃support
multitenant multi org to single auth user setup
seems like it can easily end up very expensive if each user gets a org by default
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KKinde
•Created by firemansam on 3/11/2025 in #💻┃support
multitenant multi org to single auth user setup
thats helpful Stephen, just needed to scroll down a little bit more
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KKinde
•Created by firemansam on 3/11/2025 in #💻┃support
multitenant multi org to single auth user setup
Thanks for your detailed response, I am slightly worried doing it that way since it means I no longer have a source of truth and need to be a bit more careful with desyncs, but I can see the benefit long term for this method.
My stack is express container for backend and react frontend.
Also just wanted to confirm before I commit to making the switch over, is Kinde committed to keeping the following features in the $25 pro plan, these two features alone are enough of a reason for me to switch over.
Taken from pricing page:
- Unlimited MAU, organizations, and
- M2M connections as you grow
And I want to confirm the M2M connections as I grow means that once I offer an api to my customers I can programmatically make each (or more than one each) org a Client Id and Secret to allow them to call my client api?
Appreciate the time
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