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in (b) shouldnt E be non uniform and we're not given 2a<<x..idk can someone explain this ques..im just really confused in dipoles
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iTeachChem Helper
iTeachChem Helperβ€’2d ago
@Gyro Gearloose
iTeachChem Helper
iTeachChem Helperβ€’2d ago
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Augustine
AugustineOPβ€’2d ago
x is the dist between dipole and wire
Sephrina
Sephrinaβ€’2d ago
lets first get ur concept clear in dipoles till then ill examine the ques lemme send a link
flower
flowerβ€’2d ago
we got bua ji explaining physics before GTA6 πŸ™
Augustine
AugustineOPβ€’2d ago
kk thanks
Opt
Optβ€’2d ago
Tbf, even my concept isn't clear regarding dipoles. They're a weird thing.
Sephrina
Sephrinaβ€’2d ago
damn
Opt
Optβ€’2d ago
I think I'll go through Griffiths one more time.
Sephrina
Sephrinaβ€’2d ago
idk dipole is easy to me for the first part ill send a derivation tht will help u understand better
Augustine
AugustineOPβ€’2d ago
damn u got seperate books for diff topics πŸ’€ i just refer to rahul sardana
Opt
Optβ€’2d ago
Ye. But Griffiths is honestly over the top. I like the hardcore maths explanations because they make a lot of sense to me. The intuition doesn't easily get across
Augustine
AugustineOPβ€’2d ago
ahh true true
Sephrina
Sephrinaβ€’2d ago
for first que look at the derivation uderstand tht first
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Sephrina
Sephrinaβ€’2d ago
and then try to apply it
Augustine
AugustineOPβ€’2d ago
i know this but idk what to do afterwards electric field will be diff on the 2 charges right
Sephrina
Sephrinaβ€’2d ago
no since its dipole just directly apply the formula in this derivation wait lemme send you how i did see even if not given we usually take x >> 2a
Augustine
AugustineOPβ€’2d ago
accha
Sephrina
Sephrinaβ€’2d ago
because it is unifromly charged tht one u can also think of
Augustine
AugustineOPβ€’2d ago
wait even if 2a is not <<x then b part would hv been same ?
Sephrina
Sephrinaβ€’2d ago
how show me the calc let me try that part too
Augustine
AugustineOPβ€’2d ago
no i was just wondering πŸ’€
Sephrina
Sephrinaβ€’2d ago
na naa physics with intutiions is bad always do a rough calc
Augustine
AugustineOPβ€’2d ago
cuz potential energy state function hai and electic field conservative hai
Sephrina
Sephrinaβ€’2d ago
vo sab ik but use formula
Augustine
AugustineOPβ€’2d ago
yeah ig 😭
Sephrina
Sephrinaβ€’2d ago
see the formula w = -pe(costheta2 - costheta1 ) u can technically use tht and put value of E in it
Sephrina
Sephrinaβ€’2d ago
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Sephrina
Sephrinaβ€’2d ago
@Augustine look from w part up was me doing some calc on things
Augustine
AugustineOPβ€’2d ago
ohkk thanks also i just realized we derived work from integral of torque*d(theta) and torque will vary if electric field is non uniform so if 2a is comparable to x then we cant do it this way right
727
727β€’2d ago
You use griffiths holy aura In Dipoles we always use x>>>>>a Or else both formula for equator and axial will become lengthy
Shhh
Shhhβ€’2d ago
Sahi bol rhin h seph go for ncert only πŸ˜‚ jb tk boards k liye 20 baar ratte nhin maar liyen then for both electric and magnetic dipole tbtk dimag m kch khaas nhin fit hua tha...abhi bhi bhula jaten h torque of a dipole TvT
Opt
Optβ€’2d ago
I'm done with boards, thankfully Also, screw NCERT
Shhh
Shhhβ€’2d ago
Us vro us
Opt
Optβ€’2d ago
Worst book for theory
Shhh
Shhhβ€’2d ago
πŸ˜‚ Bs dipole wala concept mera kaafi uda hua tha toh uska baar baar derivation dekh or yaad krke dimag m fit hua thora
Augustine
AugustineOPβ€’2d ago
chalo finally abj sir se dekh kar samajh aa gya gotta love him 🩷
trin
trinβ€’16h ago
please mark the doubt as solved
Augustine
AugustineOPβ€’16h ago
+solved @Sephs
iTeachChem Helper
iTeachChem Helperβ€’16h ago
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