Providers For Cheap Dedicated Servers.

Basically, I'm going to make a big network of 10-ish servers each server having around an estimate of 20 players (some may have less, some may have more) I need a cheap budget server to get me started. 15 - 30 PER Server Estimated Servers: 10 America or Germany Java, All Server With Purpur, Connected with a velocity network $50-$125 US DOLLARS Budget may be extendable
287 Replies
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Get a panel hosting, your budget will kinda only get you dedis that suck
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
I want to have my own panel which is the problem, I want to turn it into like a private hosting not public where I own such % of each server. :)
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Then get enough cash for it Youd probably want 128gb, with a good cpu to handle that many servers it will be like $150-200+
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
What about a vps?
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
You want to make a hosting company, you need good dedis A vps will not be much better price Honestly you could get a cheap 8/16gb vps and when u get revenue expand to a good dedi
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Not much of a company, more of a private thing, I do want a decent server.
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Since they will be public servers you don't control you would probably also want ddos protection for the actual machine, which raises the price Even if you don't sell publicly its still basically a host
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
I could expand from 2 servers, Each server containing 6-8 GB, Saving a little bit of spare room for the proxy & lobby. Starting from 16gb would be a good start Might be able to get DDOS Protection included, for the time being of the start.
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
From who? Youd want a good one, everyone advertises ddos protection but in reality only a few host's hold up And those hosts are expensive
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
liquidweb has a standered for no cost protects against layer 4 attacks.
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
You got an ip from them? Even contabo advertises ddos protection...
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
No? Cloudflare also provides free ddos protection.
Tamz
Tamz2mo ago
:fred_huh:
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
I just checked their asn. They have no ddos provider as upstream, which means is inhouse which means it's probably a cisco asa, that won't hold up against any more than decent attack That's only for websites, not minecraft servers
Tamz
Tamz2mo ago
Web applications Just like upioti said
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
just saw that lol
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Minecraft protection from cloudflare directly its absurdly expensive
Tamz
Tamz2mo ago
You can get a decent dedi with hetzner that can run most the stuff for you a i9 9900k with 128gb ram It costs me $60 a month and it runs what i need, but i dont host to the public only for friends
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Should I start with a AX52? - AMD Ryzen™ 7 7700 - 64 GB DDR5 - 1 GBit/s port - 2x 1 TB $66
Tamz
Tamz2mo ago
from whom?
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Hetz
Tamz
Tamz2mo ago
Go with a bit better cpu more ram as well 10 servers, 30+ players youd fill that 64 gigs in seconds
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
True. I can always upgrade in the future. AMD Ryzen™ 7 PRO 8700GE 128gb ddr5 ram AX42
Tamz
Tamz2mo ago
Looks better
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
and its mid-pricerange too
Tamz
Tamz2mo ago
how much you didnt list it do note hetzner is germany / finland iirc
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
And force all your customers to have a protection service running on top because you don't wanna be getting downed frequently
Benroy
Benroy2mo ago
They didn't mind Germany since it's one of their preferred locations (America / Germany per their original post)
Tamz
Tamz2mo ago
True, just saw that :sad:
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
$77
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
hetzner is probably the best value overall if you want a decent dedicated server
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
How would a Intel Xeon E5-1650V3 be? bad
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
I think this is the best for the price.
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Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
how bad would an i7-4770k be? that's all the e5-1650v3 is (plus 2 additional cores) actually, I misread that, it's probably even worse than what I said
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Ehhh i wouldn't quite use hetzner for a host
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
I mean, I've seen some people go years without being ddos'd on hetzner
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Aside the ddos protection 1g link Fsn not fra And it's a private ish host that will only host public servers w a few players, risk of ddos attacks increases
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
I see no reason why you need 10g for a server expecting 20 players
iRazvan2745
iRazvan27452mo ago
imo for this budget a vps is more than enough
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
it gets ddosed? You just open a ticket to change the IP, get ddos protection and update dns records takes 8 hours at most
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
10 servers expecting 30 players ish Or did i read it wrong?
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
fair enough, but unless he actually knows where the players are coming from, I doubt it
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Get ddos protection
Remote protection is designed for like big hosts, protecting a hetzner machine by gre will cost alone like 2-3x the price of the server, that's why its better to get a host with at least some basic protection from the start Or, force all your customers to run behind reverse proxy services
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
Did he say he's running services for clients? he said private-ish, so reverse proxies are probably fine
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Yes, he said its like a host where he gives hosting to servers and gets a % of the profit? Yeah im just saying to force his customers to hire a ddos protection service and not run directly on hetzner or he can purchase a few IP addresses, give everyone a dedi ip and nullroute them if attack, though that would probably require code and idk if hetzner supports that
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
hetzner is probably fine for the " I'm going to make a big network of 10-ish servers ... Connected with a velocity network" part of stuff ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ no reason to spend 2x to 3x more on a dedi just because someone might ddos the server and tcp shield would be inconvenient
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
If i understood correctly he is gonna host 10 separate public servers
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Indeed, It will be no where near a public service, Yet I would like to ensure the player's little to no downtime. I'm sure we would get attacked multiple times, and our team would just have to defend against the attack. We plan on getting DDOS Protection in the future, but some downtime will not kill the players of the servers. As soon as I get some income from the server I am getting DDOS Protection, But I am wanting to worry about the hardware and incase we do get more than 20 players its kinda my biggest worry. We won't have 200 players on the network on launch NOR will we have 10 servers. That's just near impossible.
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
No im just saying he should ask the customers to hire tcpshield themselves
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Its gonna be 10 seperate public servers but they will be connected through a proxy & a hub server.
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
How do you plan to
defend against the attack
And the issue is the "get ddos protection" is not easy, if you want to protect the entire machine you will need a GRE, and unless you buy it of some sketchy kid reselling tunnels off a $5 ovh vps it will cost at least like $200-300/m alone on ddos protection, its better to either migrate to OVH or some host with basic prot or so Ah, so just a velocity/bungee network, not a hosting Eh just put any reverse proxy service on top of that and problem solved, dont leak the backend ip
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
I want to turn it into like a private hosting not public where I own such % of each server. :)
i didnt
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Okay, So Basically its gonna be a private hosting for server developers to make servers on, Using Pterodactyl we will allow developers to use our host to benefit them and make it less for them to host their server. We also plan to have resources for the developers of them servers to speed up development, and or create a server quite easily and just do different things. We just manage / host them servers for them and then we get some % from the server which will be turned into our income. It'd honestly probably be best to save up and buy our own server and get the reverse proxy service, so we don't have to fork out as much monthly vs renting one. I just need to figure out what software would be best to run 20+ players, Possibly more. We will just say 50 players for launch and then we can fork out money on buying better parts for the servers. Probably could have written that beter if I took my time but that's not really the point.
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
I mean, unless you are running geyser/bedrock/voicechat mods, tcpshield is free
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
This and no colocating wont beat hetzners pricing
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
We will probably support Geyser / Bedrock. Not sure about voicechat mods, that would depend on the server owner's server plan.
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
will beat their quality by a bit but if you care about price it wont So why the need of having a hub and velocity again?
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Honestly, I just feel like it'd be a good idea to have that. Why, Is that a problem?
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
I mean its just kinda scuffed, and backend servers will have to be offline mode / open for more exploits if missconfigured / etc Like whats the goal of the hub? you want people to be able to explore servers or what?
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Correct.
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
cuz otherwise you can run a local reverse proxy that can route based on subdomains
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
I would probably buy a plan with Thordata or something.
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
so.... velocity?
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
ummm, why? more like a custom go one or haproxy, velocity requires extra backend cfg
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Speed & reliability. What's haproxy?
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
But like why are you buying socks proxies?
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Can you elaborate? I'm unsure what a "Sock Proxy" is.
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
haproxy (afaik) can't route minecraft based on hostname from the handshake packet, unless you know something I don't plus you'd probably still need to configure proxy protocol on the backend servers unless you're doing funky stuff
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
When we said reverse proxy we meant a ddos protection service, not residential proxies lmao Idk i dont use haproxy
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Ah I see.
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
but im pretty sure it can? ah true mmproxy?
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Okay, If I was to save up money for a server for me to home-host, I know yall are gonna say something about home-hosting, but wtv. What hardware should I go for, and what should my budget be?
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
NO PLEASE NO JUST DONT
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
💀 I knew it lmao
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
A Dedicated link alone will be $500/m And no dont tell me your 200mbps triple natted $15 residential plan is enough if you want to purchase a server, you should send it to colocation, which alone is like $50-100/m only really worth it if you buy in bulk or have like a 9950X u will resell
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
I'll probably choose to buy in bulk anyways lmao
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
by buy in bulk i mean like the entire rack idk how many servers fit in a rack but at least 20
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
I mean I won't be buying a prebuild probably would go with a custom build. I'm a pc builder so yk.
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
the in home router is the only thing doing nat
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Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
ah thats another thing if you wanna own the server its not a pc you have to build a server with server parts which are more expensive
SilentBot
SilentBot2mo ago
So at most, you're predicted to have 300 players?
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
yes ik i'm not dumb lmao
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
a 7600X 64gb server will probably be like 1k
SilentBot
SilentBot2mo ago
Most gameservers are commercial consumer ryzen hardware
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
200 but that would be in the future. Predicting 20-50 players in total on release.
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
what is a server part in a 7600x?
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
No, the motherboard, case, ram, cooling and storage are server grade, only the cpu is "consumer" at their level motherboard, with ipmi and server features, enterprise ram, storage that wont fail honestly you can get away with using consumer for everything but motherboard and case and cooling
SilentBot
SilentBot2mo ago
You can put a X570d4u or whatever equivalent in a consumer case no problem
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
you don't need ipmi if it's in your basement
SilentBot
SilentBot2mo ago
^
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
depends on case, still i would rather have a server cooling system then one that could fail
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
and you don't need a server case if it's in your basement
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Didnt we say he was colocate?
SilentBot
SilentBot2mo ago
10 servers in this case is 10 game servers right?
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
how is a consumer case gonna be installed in a rack?
SilentBot
SilentBot2mo ago
He said home host when asking for hardware
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
you did
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
and we told him its a terrible idea to do a public server off home hosting 300 players off a non-redundant, residentially connected, consumer grade server?
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
yeah sure, why not?
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
...
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
if he has good routing to tcpshield, it's fine
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
TCPShield has a TOS clause where they dont support home hosting
SilentBot
SilentBot2mo ago
All depends on the budget and uptime expectations
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
And knowing gsl's + residential routing it will have issues
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
in the UK, I've never had network outages for more than 15 minutes at a time and I've never had a single power outage
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Some resi isps also limit packet rate
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Instead of worrying about me home hosting how about something that would probably help 😭
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
how do clients connect tell me that does everyone joining the server have DC grade networking routing isn't one way
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
- Getting an UPS - Getting at least a dedicated internet line (if u can somehow get links with 2 or 3 T1 isps better) - Get good cooling - Get another UPS - Get DDoS protection or a reverse proxy service that peers with whoever you purchased the dedi line off 1 player to their closest anycasted node is diff then 300 players across the world TCPShield does not have anything similar to argo smart routing so if a player connects to frankfurt its gonna be frankfurt connecting to NYC via residential
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
some downtime will not kill the players of the servers
sir he's running 10 minecraft servers
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Its not like im running a server with 50000 players on it
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
I mean you have a point and hosting isnt even paid so they cant complain its just gonna be a shitty experience overall ig
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
if he's raking in like 5k/mo then maybe downtime would cost money
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
^
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
and at that point he can afford better hosting
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Sorry i tend to go overboard on specs
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
I already said, I'm going to upgrade equipment as time goes by. So if i'm bringing in even as little as $100 (some going to bills) then i spend the rest on upgrading the server for more performance & reliability. I'm more worried on how much Download / Upload speed I should need for 20 - 30 players at this point.
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
in the US, running stuff from your basement can be a bit of a mixed bag
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
:D I'm in the us lol
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
yeah, I'm much more impressed with the UK's infrastructure for how reliable internet/power is
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
I mean a 7700x build will cost like a year if not more of renting the same build but server grade from hetzner
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
My internet never goes out lol.
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
How confident are you that the project will work out? This is what i mean, honestly eu would maybe be fine That's not the only factor
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
🤷🏽 only time can tell.
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
yeah, but the issue is when someone from Utah wants to connect to your server in the middle of a corn field in Indiana
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
And no don't tell me you have 1gbps speed that also does not mean much
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Just tell me how much speed is required to run 50 players. (I know hardware also takes a play but internet wise)
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
required probably only 1mbps per player, but the speed between you and the player is what will make or break it just because you can get 100mbps to a server in nyc doesn't mean you can get 10mbps to someone in the middle of nowhere
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Its not just the speed
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
I know So 500mbps should technically work. then i guess we lose that player
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Also when the players isp only has a cogent link and your isp purchases traffic off a t2 and is not present in any IXs so you get routed 4 states away and then back
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
I could also send it out to a datacenter.
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
at that point you're paying more than it costs to rent the machine
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Id usually go for 1g symetric at least, and it also depends from who This That's what we told you
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
True I'm obviously gonna home host it for the time being. I had a buddy of mine home host like 60 players, not sure what his bandwith and what not was but he hosted it from his room. so I know its way more than possible lol
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
realistically, hetzner is probably fine, but if you want an excuse to buy a 2nd pc, then go for it especially if you plan on doing more homelab stuff
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Yeah and we also have a few customers home hosting with no issues, wanna guess what? They live in a well connected area, their power is redundant, they have a rack and server grade cooling, and a dedicated line off verizon/at&t
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
most of the time minecraft servers never make a profit, so just make sure that whatever you're doing, you're having fun
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Real though Don't drop 2k on a server that you will run for 2 months
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
To be honest, It would probably be better to buy a server. Due to the fact as you just said Minecraft servers never make profit, and I wouldn't lose much and would keep the server, free of charge, and could use it for my own projects / minecraft servers lol. I was actually thinking about loaning 2k for a high-performance pc but decided not to lmao 😭
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
basement servers are fun :)
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Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
electricity bills arent
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
on a cardboard box w I sadly don't have a basement
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
yeah, racks apparently cost like 350gbp
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
I could always get a shed 💀
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
So youd rather drop $1200 then $70? 😭
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
:NODDERS:
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Why would u financr a pc Real Frrrr Racks be expensive asf Id love to pay 350 for one But im from mexico so they be like $1000+ here
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
:squint:
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oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
stalker
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
350 was for a startech open frame rack
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Ah alright makes sense Why do you even need a high performerance pc?
iRazvan2745
iRazvan27452mo ago
a 16U rack in romania is 600
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
I can build my own rack from home for $50 quite easy 😂
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
I did it from a leftover moving box for free!
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
My business partner spent like 3k on his pc build, i can bet his average cpu usage is 10% and gpu average is 20%
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
🔥 whats the point of a rack that size anyways. I really don't see a point. You could just make your own for way less and its just a box so yeah 😭 Yeah I only spent 800 on my recent build
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
I have a lot of servers off to the side
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
ah That makes sense.
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
and some of the servers are like 70lbs
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
oh damn wtf what you got in that shit a 60lb weight?
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
72tb of hdds
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Ohhh Okay makes sense.
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Having everything organized and stable Its not fun having servers fall down I challenge you to make a structure that can lift 500kg+ for $50 lol
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Yeah but for 1 server not much of a big deal lol I don't need a rack :D If I was to build a server what case should I use?
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Server case I think rackchoice is meta? I remember some hosting provider showing those on a rack Idk U should ask someone
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Since im only using 1 server should I just got with a cheap tower? or should I stick to using a server case?
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
You do not wanna spend 1200 for then to have to spend another 600 rebuilding whenever you want to colocate
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Can you link me to one possibly? I don't wanna have to spend $359.00 on just 1 server.
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
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oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
You have to remember this aint for a full-blown business, its for a hobby, possibly profitable.
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
probably, just be aware that 2u still will restrict the height of coolers and that's only micro atx compadible
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Okay, Can you suggest a case for me? I was honestly thinking about just going with a normal tower computer case but clearly that's probably a bad idea. I was also gonna use maybe ssd's and from this understanding for minecraft server hosting GPU's arent a big thing so I could get a cheap one for a gpu.
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
a 7000 series amd cpu has a (not amazing) igpu I don't know any cases off the top of my head, I was just letting you know that you do need to consider cooler compatibility dynatron specifically makes coolers for servers, but finding a place to buy them from isn't always easy and consumer motherboards probably will face the socket in the wrong direction for proper cooling asrock rack motherboards rotate the socket 90 degrees which would solve the issue, but they're typically more expensive
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Suggesting I should get a AMD Ryzen 9 7900X 12-Core, 24-Thread?
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Still if ur gonna spend money wouldn't you like to spend a little more now to save a lot more in the future? (And reduce ewaste) I think that may be too short For a ryzen build And idk abt build qualiry Definetly, good for hosting If u can afford 7950x go for that one Only issue is you need like a 360mm watercooler to keep a 24/7 ryzen running fine What state do you live in? If it's hot we may even recommend installing AC My friend's basement datacenter doesn't have AC but he lives on the north The servers alone raise the temperature overall like +7º C But outdoor temps where he lives is like <15c so
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Maybe I should go with Hetzner server for the first few months, if it goes well maybe switch to home hosted so I can upgrade hardware incase player count goes >200, Also for my needs at this point I believe AMD Ryzen™ 7 PRO 8700GE would be perfect if it could run <75 Players, $0.1204/hr is cheap now that I realize. I could def go for that if you think I should. I personally always like to have a second opinion, If I go with Hetzner I could honestly have it up and running within a week or 2 and then see where it goes. I look at the price $77.00 and think its a lot but its really not haha.
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Definetly, run from hetzner then buy hardware if it works out It isn't trust me
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Yeah I know.
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Yall guys are used to cheap asf pricing Our cheapest server is like $200/m and it's a 6 core xeon 😭
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Do you profit?
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Yeah But we are not a host
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Yeah DDoS Protection?
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Have to mention it's 32gb ram i think Yup
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Is your simple servers plan worth it?
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Wdym?
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
$30/month plan VIP I'm thinking about spending some more for a little extra security for the hetzner server lmao
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Ah, well depends We are not really a budget provider, there is cheaper protection Certainly latency and stability is top notch, we can even offer 100% uptime Depends on location and if you wanted layer7 filtering or not Actually it may be 16gb
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
$30 is budget imo, but im not spending $300/mo for a private hosting.
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Honestly i miss when servers where $60/m 😭
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
lmao
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Keep in mind it's only 1 port and 3TB traffic lol
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
damn wtf
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
We don't rlly require much ram
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Wouldn't what im doing do the same thing but for cheaper though?
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Proxies are coded on Go which is so good on memory usage, and mitigation uses xdp which doesn't use much ram either What you doing?
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
AMD Ryzen™ 7 PRO 8700GE 8 cores / 16 threads @ 3.65 GHz 128 GB DDR5 RAM 2 x 512 GB NVMe SSD from hetzner or have you sent yours to a datacenter?
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
We are not a host lol
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
I think what yall said reverse proxy would be good 🙏🏽
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
When I told you our cheapest server is like 200/m that's what we pay for it We don't own hardware, it would be stupid for our usecase and size, we rent For example in december/summer break we have to scale up as everyone gets more players, but it would be stupid to pay for that capacity the rest of the year
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Okay well i have no clue how ddos protection works so ima let that be :fedora:
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
And by owning hardware we need a big upfront investment on new locs/etc And we cannot easily move servers Rn we can cancel a frankfurt server and purchase one more on singapore and have it done in like 4hrs max
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
ah
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
If we owned hardware it would either require us to buy 2 servers or ship the frankfurt one to singapore which would take ages
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Fair enough
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Wdym?
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Earlier when we was talking abt the hosting I think reverse proxy for a extra layer of security would work :) I take that back
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Ah sure I thought u said something about our reverse proxy
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
So I should? nah
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Wdym? I mean yeah you should put the bungee/velo behind a reverse proxy and close off the hetzner dedi
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
alright. Later on if I plan to pay a bit more should I go with AMD EPYC™ 9454P 48 cores / 96 threads @ 2.75 GHz 256 GB DDR5 ECC reg. min. 2 x 1.92 TB NVMe SSD Datacenter Edition How many server's could this run?
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Damn Idk like Depends on setup I think it could handle 600-1000 players easily if not more Actually no Shit it's hetzner So 800 ish players max, because 1g uplink
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Wow. That's really good actually for $221.00 a month
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
You would be this close to saturaring uplink: 👌
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
So how many servers would that be estimated
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Any bot attack, small ddos leak, sudden spike of traffic, players switching lobbies, etc would saturate it To be safe, 500 players max
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
I'd probably be better off to buy a dedicated server wouldn't i? For more profit? Later on not at this moment.
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Idk I mean how much u wanna allocate per server
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Well, I would estimate 8gb / per
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
That only really works out once you have a rack full of owned hardware
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Is there any other dedicated server providers that could offer more uplink?
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Then 32 servers Each server can have 3 dedicated cores
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Or would shared be better?
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Though you should do shared, tbh Yeah probably Yes but not cheap
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Well Obviously lol. Send one?
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Idk im not updated on providers Since we onboarded on datacamp we havent looked back Datacamp is just 😍
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
How would a AMD EPYC 9V74 run the 10 servers? I'm just looking around trying to see how good other cpu's are gonna be.
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
80 core 160 thread?
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Yeah I'm assuming that could run a lot of servers shared cpu
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
eh sure where did u see it at? its probably like at least $700/m
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
I found a good deal then lmao
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
hetzner?
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Nah a buddy of mine lmao So how many servers would it be able to run? (ram out of the question) Just teh single cpu its self Shared Cores
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
🤦 Home hosting it?
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Nah
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Well its basically 2x 7950's on the multicore benchmark but singlecore is like kinda ass so in reality you should probably do 2 cores per 4gb ram
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
so 40 servers on 8gb 10 servers on 16gb
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
So a max of 256gb or 384gb if you wanna be risky 2 threads*
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
ah so its best to stick with the $77/mo? oh wait im a little bit slow
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
how much u paying for that epyc?
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
$1000 lmao
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
per month?
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
No, 6 months *
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Ah $166/m
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
something like that yeah
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
suspiciously cheap from who?
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
One of my old friends
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
this but he's gonna get more ram he says
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Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Where is he hosting it? at home? its running windows? 😭
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Yeah.. 😂 I just realized that as i sent it
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
is he colocating it or what
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
He says its a server from Azure btw
Snow Kit
Snow Kit2mo ago
I was gonna say, you wouldn't have that kind of CPU with only 32GB of memory
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Ummm yeah this is all too suspicious He may be reselling you a free funded azure account Yeah and he will need 10gbit if he wants to offer hosting on that @oTrixzy honestly buy a 7950X from hetzner if you still need more servers buy another one you are paying $1000 upfront for 6 months, even if you pay monthly thats $170 for a massive server even a few hosting companies wouldnt manage to fill up, its probably gonna sit mostly unused for a while
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Okay, He said he would take % of the funds I receive which is bad for me but its either that or I stay with AMD Ryzen™ 7 PRO 8700GE?
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
If its only those two options, stay with the 8700
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
alright
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
if you can though purchase a 7950x off hetzner, that will run 128gb ram, 1 dedicated thread per 4gb, except the threads are more then 2x as powerful as the epyc's so it will be fine, 1g should probably handle it if you dont got that mayn players and if you need more just buy a 2nd one
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
Yeah What website do you use to check single core performance? Also should I use Server Auction on hetzner or no?
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
Geekbench Idk I don't use hetzner
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP2mo ago
There's a $67/mo (3hr left) Intel Xeon E5-1650V3 256 GB 2 x 480 GB Datacenter SSD
ProGamingDk
ProGamingDk2mo ago
no horrible
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
how is a 1650v3 even able to support 256gb
SilentBot
SilentBot2mo ago
Because they can support 12 dimms per socket, and with that being a single socket CPU, can do up to 12x64 (768GB total) The 2650v3 can go into a 2 socket system, doubling the total memory
Upioti
Upioti2mo ago
768gb and 6 cores seems balanced
SilentBot
SilentBot2mo ago
Never said it was a good idea But there's a few usecases that could be that heavily imbalanced
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP4w ago
It changed a bit, is ECC ram better?
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oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP4w ago
I heard it was also its a bit more expensive
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP4w ago
theres also this one if I spend a bit more
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oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP4w ago
actually wait, this might be better than the $93
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oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP4w ago
a lot more storage
Upioti
Upioti4w ago
id take ECC over more storage for a host tbh what are you planning to host? smps or minigames if minigames then u dont need storage
Snow Kit
Snow Kit4w ago
ecc really doesnt matter that much. ddr5 already has built in detection and correction for single bits flipping, if you’re experiencing more than that regularly, you probably have faulty hardware ecc probably wouldn’t hurt to have, but I personally wouldn’t pay extra for it for just a minecraft server
Upioti
Upioti4w ago
i mean its $1 cheaper, also probably the 1TB's NVMEs are slower
ProGamingDk
ProGamingDk4w ago
slower cpu tho
Upioti
Upioti4w ago
Ah i had not seen that change
Snow Kit
Snow Kit4w ago
1TB nvme drives of the same model are almost always faster than 512gb nvme drives
Upioti
Upioti4w ago
U right
oTrixzy
oTrixzyOP4w ago
It's up to the server owner, I cannot say what server they plan. I'm really trying to focus on non-survival servers though. So what are we saying, should I go for AX52 or AX42?
ProGamingDk
ProGamingDk4w ago
Imo 52 all day Double storage and a faster cpu Note you will need external antiddos (not sure if someone else mentioned this) Hetzners protection is not good enough
Exteron
Exteron4w ago
Agreed, hetzner provides great pricing for hosting, but if you are worried of getting attacked you should also get some external protection service. Back then we used to have papyrus (you can google it). Not the cheapest, but the server never got downed. (Idk if anyone tired to ddos it tho). You should still concider if you really need that kind of protection. Most smaller servers dosent really get attacked.
iRazvan2745
iRazvan27454w ago
i dont think it even exists lol
Upioti
Upioti4w ago
It is, it blocks amps and basic stuff up to like 5gbit/s Though even any decent free booter can go past that so it's basically non existent Sup, nice
iRazvan2745
iRazvan27454w ago
basically nothing yeah
ProGamingDk
ProGamingDk4w ago
Not for me Doesnt block any udp amps I had to manually add rules to their web firewall to only allow 1.1.1.1 for dns etc Ssdp, ntp, dns all went straight through 1 gbps
Upioti
Upioti4w ago
Idk I don't have a hetzner serve Maybe it does "block" them up to 6-10g but it's so bad after 5g enough leakage goes through to saturate the port

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