Polynomial Ques

Literally every new ques I tried I can't solve it!!!!!
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Dexter
Dexter4w ago
Q ka root iota hai kya? no nahi hai hmmm
stormycloud
stormycloud4w ago
What is the ans?
Abhi
AbhiOP4w ago
lemme share you stormy long time no see
stormycloud
stormycloud4w ago
Hopped on cuz it’s a new year loll
Abhi
AbhiOP4w ago
answer is 5
stormycloud
stormycloud4w ago
Alr
Abhi
AbhiOP4w ago
so you are going to reverse engineer the question ?
stormycloud
stormycloud4w ago
Trying to do that lol I did polynomials last year yk so a bit rusty
Abhi
AbhiOP4w ago
they are teaching me polynomials in functions chapter right now in class 12th
stormycloud
stormycloud4w ago
Oh so u also learnt it last year Excuse me for my new year jokes I have to abuse it today
SirLancelotDuLac
Doable by complex. Like the roots of the second polynomial are 5-th roots of 1. Then by remainder theorem plug in to get 5. Is that the answer?
Abhi
AbhiOP4w ago
Yes
Dexter
Dexter4w ago
OHHH YEAHH i forgor
Gamertug
Gamertug4w ago
man complex number showing up legit anywhere
Dexter
Dexter4w ago
Q(x) pe GP ka formula laga de Algebra ka undertaker fr
Gamertug
Gamertug4w ago
what, can u explain this
SirLancelotDuLac
Let $P(x)=Q(x) \cdot f(x)+r(x)$ Plug in $x=e^{\frac{2ni \pi}{5}}$
TeXit
TeXit4w ago
SirLancelotDuLac
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SirLancelotDuLac
For all these values r(x)=5. Hence the remainder is indeed 5.
Opt
Opt4w ago
What if the remainder is not five for each case?
SirLancelotDuLac
(Kinda obvious point but I used to miss it: r(x) must be a cubic which acquires value 5 at 4 points, so yeah) Then form the cubic and painstakingly find coeffecients ig. Or maybe some other method will have to try.
Opt
Opt4w ago
Could we derive a general form for P($x^{n}$})modP(x)?
TeXit
TeXit4w ago
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SirLancelotDuLac
Ah just figured a nice counter to that. We can't find a root of higher level polynomial. Ah nvm that argument is wrong tho... Ig it is not possible but so the approach should be to prove that its not possible and I don't have many ideas for that. :sweaty:
Opt
Opt3w ago
Understandable
SirLancelotDuLac
Maybe we could use the fact that the formulae for roots of quintic/higher polynomials doesn't exist and somehow reach contradiction. But don't see a simple proof for the same.
Opt
Opt3w ago
Galois Theory fr fr
Abhi
AbhiOP3w ago
huh I am confused lol the answer is 5 though ?
Dexter
Dexter3w ago
Qx pe GP ka formula laga ke x⁵=1 ke roots complex wale jo rahenge unko Px pe put kar
Abhi
AbhiOP3w ago
qx pe gp ka formula ? geometric progression bol rhe ho ? so sum of terms gp se $x^5-1/$x-1
TeXit
TeXit3w ago
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Abhi
AbhiOP3w ago
ye aa rha hai @Dexter bhai help karde dimaag bilkul bhi nhi chal rha yo @Opt can you help ?
Opt
Opt3w ago
Yeah that.
Abhi
AbhiOP3w ago
:pepestare: please solve the ques somehow I can't solve it still :moc_champ_sad:
Opt
Opt3w ago
Lancelot gave you the solution right? With complex numbers.
Abhi
AbhiOP3w ago
no then he said it was wrong . this maybe I am confused
Opt
Opt3w ago
That's not related at all Solution ended here Rest was pointless conversation
SirLancelotDuLac
Yeah that was for something else 😅.
Abhi
AbhiOP3w ago
oh I have to try it my brain is fogged today literally can't do shit today
Dexter
Dexter3w ago
yes no x⁵=1 and x=/1 now** to complex roots nikaal le
Abhi
AbhiOP3w ago
so x=1 aa gya to complex roots ?
Dexter
Dexter3w ago
no X=1 not valid na GP ka sum complex 2 nahi padha hai na tune? Allen mein h kya? denominator infinite
Abhi
AbhiOP3w ago
haa
Dexter
Dexter3w ago
yeah to complex numbers last chapter hai 12th ka tere liye
Abhi
AbhiOP3w ago
accha mereko lga
Dexter
Dexter3w ago
usse ez hoga ye sawaal
Abhi
AbhiOP3w ago
allen ne padha diya aur merese nhi ho rha
Dexter
Dexter3w ago
Polynomial ka bhi koi tareeka hoga tbh but idk that i do all the questions of quadratic and polynomial from complex numbers now 😭 its easier that way ek concept se saare sawaal bante hai
Abhi
AbhiOP3w ago
hmm @Opt you know any other method than the complex one ? We are not taught complex no sadly
SirLancelotDuLac
Well you don't need to know complex tbh. The equation you have is $\frac{x^{5}-1}{x-1}=0$ (x is not 1.). So $x^{5}=1$ for all roots. Now just plug it in and then viola.
TeXit
TeXit3w ago
SirLancelotDuLac
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SirLancelotDuLac
Baaki remainder theorem toh you know. So the remainder polynomial is some cubic which acquires the value 5 at 4 places (at the four roots). So it is an identity and hence the remainder is 5.
Abhi
AbhiOP3w ago
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Abhi
AbhiOP3w ago
yo @SirLancelotDuLac if you are free can you tell how to this the approach
Dexter
Dexter3w ago
quadratic se divide kiya hai and linear remainder hai
Abhi
AbhiOP3w ago
yup ban gya tha mere se sir aaj kal brain fog tha aaj so ke utha to ban gya :kekGiggle:
Dexter
Dexter3w ago
matlab p(x) must be a cubic goated sahi hai
iTeachChem
iTeachChem4d ago
+solved @Dexter @SirLancelotDuLac
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