Spartan vs Vulcan anti cheat (What do you think about this video?)
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Spartan vs Vulcan MINECRAFT ANTI CHEAT COMPARISON
Video Parts:
Disclaimer: 0:00
Definitions: 0:04
Fly: 0:09
Jesus/Liquid-Walk: 2:41
KillAura: 3:13
Reach: 4:54
Scaffold: 6:10
Speed: 6:34
Spider: 8:45
Timer: 9:15
Tower: 10:30
Velocity/Anti-KB: 11:08
Performance: 14:07
Total Results: 14:22
Version while testing KillAura/Reach/Velocity:
CraftBukkit version git-PaperSpigot-445 (MC: 1.8.8) (Implemen...
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oh god
here we fucking go
run on a packet level via the help of the ProtocolLib and PacketEvents plugins
What version of protocollib??
wait
I assume
spartan uses plib?
ah
yeah I was just commenting on the disclaimers
I'm not a complete fan of this video for a couple reasons:
1. The author is you, the dev.
2. We can't guarantee that the configs were messed with
3. I can't exactly determine when you lost points
4. I... counted 46.5, not 46. If you rounded it, that's fine haha
also I counted 19 for vulcan rather than 18
but
could be mePoint 1 is my biggest issue. You can’t claim a fair comparison when you’re heavily biased one side or the other. If it was just a feature review, then yeah that’s fine
yeah exactly
plus I feel that determining if a check / check type has a "partial bypass" varies from person to person
Also I feel like there should be 2 separate tests: a fully default config (ie. just drop the JARs and start the server) and another test after a good tune of each plugin
yes and I'm sure you did
but there's no guarantee of it
you are the evidence
you were the person who made the comparison
and because you're the developer of one of the competing plugins, there's always going to be that argument that it was biased, or tampered with
yeah that I agree with
sure, the tweaked configs would be nice, but 99% of servers sit on default configs
I mean it's like when any other youtuber invests in a company and reviews competing products. It doesn't mean they're lying or anything, there's just a bigger grain of salt that needs to be taken.
Tbh that's how I'd do it as well lol, might be a nice idea!
More than an argument, they’re trying to say that, since you’re involved with one of the plugins, any comparison you do will not be perceived as impartial
A good alternative to improve this will be to find someone not associated with Spartan nor Vulcan to run the test and publish the results
ew protocollib
not adding plib to my server
arguably worse
I dont want any bukkit events at all
so...
fly test:
You flag and he verbose, your point being?.. you can play with the buffers yourself and make it so it also flags... Your anticheat is much more well known though for false flagging to all hell so this isnt a point for you imo
airwalk: vulcan prevented it entirely so point to them
jetpack: dude you dont even have flagging turned on, you can see them verbose to max
these tests arent even the same test, you are full flying on your anticheat and then being super duper sneaky and not moving while flying on vulcan
sales really struggling huh
getting desperate
1,600 more than you in the past year ☠️☠️💀💀
do what you gotta do i guess
omg hi frap
can you fix vulcan's attributes handling
owo
anyone remember when back in the day you would walk wrong and spartan would flag
isnt that still the case
I would like to see a comparison of anticheats with bedrock checks ngl
nobody takes spartan seriously, my friend accidently bought spartan and I told him to go buy vulcan instead and that its just a loss
imo its false advertising to compare vulcan to spartan because it makes it seem like spartan is a reasonable alternative to vulcan
if you dont have the money go get grim
even better
am I missing something
He won’t
He’s now making me provide him every config of all my custom items
Then he’s prob gonna hit me with something else I need to provide him with like the coordinates to my house and social security number
it literally work for 6,000 other people
so if i can test it myself then i can fix it
spartan sucks and will continue to suck
until the end of time
good ol admincraft drama
Looks like there’s history there
Even though I’m slightly annoyed with frap regarding the attributes handling thing, it’s still vastly better than spartan ngl. And frap doesn’t have to stoop to a biased comparison video to prove that
tbf if he cant replicate your issue and it works for others then not much he can do
^^
theres a reason why plugin devs ask for you to send your config, or has a dump function because you cant reproduce generally without having the specific setup to replicate that issue
spartan vs polar video coming soon
LOL
Well, how would you genuinely rate your anticheat?
Actually write your own honest opinion on Spartan
I want to know what you think about your own product, since we don't seem to be on the same page ever
You have a pretty big reputation with false positives, performance problems and false negatives
And from what I've seen, these continue
What have you changed in 4.0 with the "1:1 movement engine"? It doesn't feel like a full movement engine to me
Opposite of false positive, not detecting someone who is* cheating
Yes
Well, at the current stage, I don't see that changing fast
False positives still very much do exist
How does your engine work?
Your "prediction" engine
There's a billion words for it lmao, nobody knows what to call it
Simulation (Engine) Movement (Engine) Prediction (Engine) Movement (Validation)Yeah, that's the surface level explanation of what every engine does I'm more curious as to how exactly he did it tbf The only anticheats that have their own engine are Grim, Polar and Intave So wait, have you stopped working on most of the detections themselves?
pretty surprised you havent been banned from spigot with the amount of paid jars you leak lol
he does?
https://github.com/Vagdedes/Spartan-AntiCheat/tree/main/src/dependencies multiple of these plugins are paid and are licensed to him only
GitHub
Spartan-AntiCheat/src/dependencies at main · Vagdedes/Spartan-AntiC...
In the mission to create & maintain the best Minecraft anti-cheat, powered by Machine Learning (ML) - Vagdedes/Spartan-AntiCheat
holy fucking hell
when i saw these i thought they were the apis
nope, itemsadder api is only the api folder, his has everything
yikes..........
@Evangelos don't tell me you never knew about this 😭
yup
lmao
for added confirmation
@Evangelos what other than the api do you need for things like IA?
probably a mistake
albeit a big one
gitignore left the chat
not even, he specifically is telling people to download and use his dependencies to build the jar
????? 😭
WHAT
"this folder" is the one with all the paid jars
BRUH
not your plugin
crackshotplus, itemsadder
its literally registered to you 😭
its... in your repo
you're distributing cracked plugins in your dependencies?
by you.
sure
please do
not that it matters much, but this is just so funny
we are everywhere
wilding what
you added support for them and youre telling me you didnt ONCE check to see if they were paid when looking for documentation etc?
how did you end up getting vagdedes id leaked plugins, something basically noone does in the first place
so where did you get them
https://github.com/Vagdedes/Spartan-AntiCheat/commit/d347d7cdaf4056b75a0a010d7166276283d3d2aa cause you were the one to upload them in the first place anyways
because atp you're either lying or incredibly ignorant, something a anticheat dev should be neither of
check them yourself, itemsadder and crackshotplus and vehicles are the ones i know
or are using leaked plugins in your own dev process which is just even worse
and that doesnt matter at all in this case tho
like not at all
where did you even get them
he bought them and then published them to github and then told people to download leaked plugins and use em to compile a jar
its the actual fact tho
github doesnt lie
stop trying to push your flaws away like this ffs
@Evangelos what's the point of offering build instructions when you don't actually provide access to the checks themselves
Modify the HackType enums to your needs, our original checks are not included. never mind
what's the point of including things like MCClient when half the classes, even non-checks like MotionVector are not present
i mean
that's two of them
there's ~25 jars in there
sure some of them aren't premium
but
mythicmobs, itemsadder etc
are the big onesOne considering EcoEnchants is open source anyways
MythicMobs is a big one indeed tho, not sure how they’ll react considering what’s on their ToS
Unless he used the free version, which probably has the same classes
hey im the CM for auxiliors plugins, all our shit is open source. ItemsAdder is not. You cant just post itemsadder jars.
bro hes literally admitted he made a mistake
yall gotta hop off pretending he hasnt aknowledged the issue
💀
The admincraft special with a side of popcorn
The defensiveness and deflecting isn't a good look
Just say "oh shit I did add paid plugins to my public repo, let me fix that now"
It's not hard
.
.
...after bring super defensive and trying to deflect
his response to this blatantly inflammatory comment is completely fair
That's not really inflammatory, you do get banned for leaking plugins
its definitely inflammatory to say "pretty suprised you havent been banned"
When they've done something that typically gets people banned? Not really
A little blunt maybe but not inflammatory
if you dont see the difference between "hey you accidentally included full paid versions of jars in your github you should remove that" vs "im suprised he isnt banned yet with the amount of jars hes leaked" then ur an idiot
he was defensive because the statements made were hostile and inflammatory
If I don't see a difference between different statements I'm an idiot? Sure buddy
see im glad you see the difference
then you aknowledge that pgdks wording wasnt good faith communication
like frankly i dont like vagedes but this shit is just witch hunting
if people want or expect good faith communication then those people should also participate in good faith communication
i made an inflammatory comment here
you made a somewhat rude comment back
Not really sure how you've logically linked those two different things together... he spoke bluntly more than anything, which I mentioned
and thats completely fair because i expect that
you just said theyre completely different statements
Yes they are literally different
so we agree he wasnt actually making a good faith attempt to help vagedes realize he was using full paid versions of plugins
No?
Why do you keep making these weird logical leaps
okay sk
we agree he wasnt making the same statement as somethiny along the lines of "hey you accidentally included paid plugins..."
that message is an example of good faith communication of what im saying right
Yes it was a bit blunt, it could have had more compassion
so if hes making a "completely different" statement
then what does that mean
I wouldn't call it inflammatory, that's a step far
He's generally a bit blunt if you hadn't noticed lol
trust me i know
but hear me out right think of this from vagedes perspective and someone tells you that theyre suprised you arent banned, would you a: assume they are making a good faith communication attempt or b: defend yourself from hostile allegations
I'm going to stop here because this is stereotypical dramacraft at this point 👀
if he can be incredibly rude to me i can do a small message of im surprised he hasnt seen, realised, gotten notified of or been banned
calling me stupid, saying he will make me a meme, for saying in my opinion his product isnt good
but its mutual
thats all im saying
how is saying im surprised of something that should have been done hasnt happened, and him calling me stupid and "i will make you a meme" the same
theyre both hostile statements
imo way way different leagues but /shrug/
oh for sure
but you do aknowledge that its a hostile statement right
and that shitting on someone for defending what is immediately seen as a hostile statement is not how you achieve good faith communication
all im asking is that people recognize that making a hostile, accusatory, or inflammatory statement and getting a defensive or hostile response back is to be expected
and frankly blunt is just a nicer way to say that you said something in a hostile way when you didnt need to
(reply back to where my yap started to see chat before my derailing)
Why all the hate tho
I’ve hardly interacted with the community until very recently, but I did see a lot of trash talk when it comes to spartan, way beyond the “bad product” boundary
-# Just asking for context, I have no intention of participating in the drama
ok vagedes please
just drop it
where did i tell you i would make you a meme, where did i tell you to shutup
oh theres another d
didnt know that
i feel like vagdedes doesnt slip off the tounge as well
basically how it feels to say it out loud
but yeah he has previously been extremely prone to drama basically
So… the hate does have a reason
And changing public opinion is extremely hard, can even take years
He's failing at that
oh hey the monthly spartan & vulcan drama
lemme grab a seat
his new developer runs leak sites
vagdedes is the most ethical guy around
wait what
yikes
:peepoMelt:
finally
can't wait for spartanleaks
Brother. :husk:
This is why you don't do illegal shit under your public alias, stg these people have no ability to preserve the self.
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