(APAC) - Pakistan latency problems towards Mumbai
Getting 100+ to 150+ ping in Singapore & Mumbai servers, This started happening recently (2 days ago). Called my broadband and they said nothing changed from their side. so Is this issue happening for everyone or me.
Yesterday the ping in Behrain Servers was also over 150 for some reason.
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Did you try other games
If you see similar high ping issue then it’s your service providers routing issue, they just say nothing changed to make you fuckoff
yes I did, its fine in other games
League Of Legends
Team Fight Tactics
Counter Strike 2
Overwatch
etc
my ping is fine there
Probs have to do with something on your side then
Or Valorant
Do you have vpn?
Or do have any performance boosting software installed
I don't use any of these. As i said, It started happening all of the sudden 2 days ago.
issue is still there
contacted my ISP and they said its from the server side (seeing my ping being fine in other games :/)
The issue is related to AWS and riot is working to fix it as we speak
Thank you!!
where was this addressed? could you send me the source?
I personally don't have any ping issues and I play on mumbai servers
also you seem to play on EU servers , bahrain. So idts that issue translates to APAC servers as well. Mumbai servers use Riot Direct, not AWS
As far I know, there haven't been any server side wide spread issues from Riot, in APAC servers atleast . If at all there is an issue, it's most likely from the Client's ISP
@Kenji-San sorry for the ping, but would you mind taking a look at this issue here? Seems like the user is having 100+ ping on native servers. Thank you
you can ping me also yk
mind answering a few questions for me?
1. who is your ISP
2. what country are you from?
3. what region do you play on?
4. what server(s) do you play on?
@Kenji-Sanalready has all that info in dms
ah alright
wait did you dm him or did he dm you first?
it just started happening randomly 3 days ago, It was fine before that. I am getting 100+ ping in singapore servers (i was getting 60-70) and around 150+ in Mumbai Servers (was 40-50)
there was an issue like this before, and I had to send all the info to him, its still the same.
and are you from sg or mumbai?
neither, I just play in those servers lol
sure one sec
and show me a screenshot
well its def your isp
oh, wth
I have no idea how to fix this issue
Thank you, sending it to the ISP providers right now.
is this just for the Singapore or also mumbai servers?
thats to one of riots POPs (the POP closests to you)
oh, thank you!!
again, it's only for Bahrain, not necessarily a confirmed issue on mumbai servers
read my text below that message
have the same issue
i usually play from dubai in mumbai server with good ping but since past few days i m getting 100+ ping
Yes, as the riot support said, it’s the ISP’s routing to the AWS
@Nad do you live in the Middle East ?
the issue is already diagnosed
here ^
yea similar thing started happening to me, to be exact 3 days. I messaged my ISP providers, waiting on their response right now.
my ping is fine in behrain/dubai. its just the mumbai/singapore etc servers which are affected
i am getting the usual 25-45 there
if you are having the same issue, doesn't that mean its from valorant's backend side @lyra
@Kenji-San if you could take a look please 🙏
having the same issue too, getting 100+ ping from a few days in those exact servers
conatcted my ISP and all - they said its not from our side 😢
nvm, my behrain server is also affected :// getting 156 ping there now
me 2
I dont think this is normal
it has increased from 100 to 500+
can you do this again
💀
unsure but my behrain ping is also affected pretty badly now. 💀
behrain is a known issue dw
oh
Its just this then
@Nad WHERE ARE U FROM?
SINGAPOR
OR INDIA
Hey folks, there was a fault between AWS to Bahrain servers. I think this is now resolved.
W
W kenji
W
@Kenji-San the issue is still there for people playing from dubai
but the ping is just high for mumbai server singapore is same as usual
Du
UAE
Apac
mumbai
Why are you playing APAC from Dubai 😭
Coz I shifted to Dubai for studies and my friends play Mumbai server
what about my issue kenji san 😦 you have my ISP and everything in dms btw
uh oh
i have the same
playing from dubai
i cant play Behrain or Mumbai or singapore due to high pings from recent
cool, so its not just me or my ISP 👀
I just played a deathmatch, and everyone has 100+ pings lol... :/
almost everyone in my deathmatches and similar have the same ping lol
they saying its getting fixed though
i really hope so 😦
we are cooked
no more valorant i guess
😭
@Kenji-San can we also get the Mumbai server AWS issue fixed please 🙏
mumbai server is not AWS
it's Riot Direct
also there are no issues with mumbai servers
seems like the internet routing from your area or ISP is messed up
@Metamorphosis is ur bahrain ping fixed
people like me living natively in the corresponding region, have not faced any serious ping issues on mumbai servers
i have a question, why are the servers region locked instead of on the basis where people get the least ping like indians on sydney get 300+ ping but its still there on the server lists but indians also get 57 ping on bahrain servers but 2 separate accounts have to be made to play on india and bahrain and either way both countries r in asia but bahrain is still in the eu region
if the region lock is based on the assumption that people will join servers where they get high ping w the sole purpose to troll, ppl can already do that because of the weird distribution of servers in a specific region
nd the vice versa goes for middle easterns, they get around 30-50 ping on india server
The way I see it , any server that routes its internet via AWS has been affected , therefore affecting the latencies. @Kenji-San Please confirm this speculation if possible
@Nad ?
YESSS
Now time to grind my way out of plastic rank
@annie you still facing the problem?
if you are playing from Dubai, is it still Riot Direct? i mean if it is, then idk why my ping is above 150
when it used to 30-50 :/
Behrain is good now
i haven't played yet
Everything should be Riot Direct unless you play to Bahrain, which sits on AWS for now. Whos your internet provider @creativehell
Bahrain is on AWS edge, I think there was a transit ISP between them which was causing latency to spike due to longer route
Kenji San, my Ping in mumbai servers are still high 😦 help!!!
provide your ISP details here please
where is this IP from?
riot
Yes but which Riot Server? Mumbai?
oh that apac
You mean all the servers in Asia Pacific?
sorta, it will trace to the pop closet to you
Ok
wait are you from india or?
From my best guess, she’s playing from Pakistan, their default server is EU
idk I was just guessing cuz like
op didn't answer :val_Hampter:
yes, it's an anycast IP for mumbai servers, that can be provided to your ISP
Ok
Thanks
the server is Riot direct
stop playing in cross servers
replace the "dot 0" in the end with 1 and that gives u the singapore anycast
atleast for me
ONG! There’s a reason why there’s a region lock on the servers
where did you get that info from?
huh
Damn same I did everything but my ping is still 150+ the game is unplayable
Are you playing Mumbai server from Dubai as well?
Not me but my cousin he's having this same issue from last few days
I'm here to find some way to fix it
means i'm just upvoting ur comment
I remember a riot dev asking someone to ping that IP someday when the user had issues with singapore servers. Obviously for diagnostics purposes
in my case, it does solidify as to the latency towards the singapore server
the ones that end at .1 are old ones and they won't really give you a real result
hmm..interesting
ugh ok
now that I look up the forums here, the standalone "dot 0" seems like the only anycast IP towards the APAC servers
👍
Pakistan
its Cybernet (ISP)
i recently moved back here and its spiking again lmao
the thing is, It was fine like a week ago, I was getting the normal 30-45 ping
ya kenji san has my ip and everything in dms
Behrain issue is also back 👀
same issue
ISP :etisalat
fr? @Metamorphosis
yes
proxy?
let me try
nope
the bahrain issue is back @Kenji-San
ive gotten the bug 3 times in a row
3 different
games
Yeah 🤣 and it’s worse than last time
Previously it happened 1 in 3 matches but now it’s every match
riot is most likely aware of this issue, just wait some time.
Bahrain is not in riot direct which means riot has basically no control over it, all they can do is talk with AWS and ISPs atm
which hopefully should resolve the problem soon
exactly
im losing rr for games that dont get remade
annoying ass game
no they think they fixed it
They did fix it for a brief moment, but it seems to have gone back to the same problem
@Nad same issue here, mumbai Server's ping is above 150. It used to be around 40-50.
ig there's a routing issue with AWS servers, because bahrain server on fortnite is also glitching sometimes and going over 200+
With mumbai, APAC, Behrain etc
when will it get fixed
no idea :/
To best of my knowledge, it is out of riots hand, although they are working on it, contacting the local isp’s.
😦 sad
📍
:MenheraThumbsUp2:
😭 still not fixed in mumbai :/
All we can do is wait, chat :joe_waiting:
👀
is there any update
or we r doomed for ever xd
hey are you from Pakistan? and do you have high ping in other servers then Bahrain
I have a feeling this issue has been mislabeled
The Bahrain server issue is universal chat
And to your question I believe yes
if they are then this is nothing to do with the Bahrain server
We gotta know the other guys isp to know if it’s same as hers :val_Prayge:
Use Norton vpn
Or disable wifi to get 0 ping
Unused wifi
mumbai, singapore, behrain, dubai, dubai i have normal ping
but the rest i have really high pings
^^
and are you from Mumbai?
I mean Pakistan sorry
pak
alright
yea
alright so the Bahrain problem is not Related
oh, i used to have 40 ping there now i have like 150ms there too for some reason
but i guess thats universal
but not sure why i have or most of the people from pak/dubai have high pings in mumbai, singapore now
there is an issue between hop 6 and hop 7 which is causing from my understanding is that basically everyone from Pakistan are having this problem
it is for most people in Pakistan
i believe
yea, and for dubai
i contact my ISP and they mentioned there is nothing wrong and i have to contact the valorant stafff
haven't checked that one out yet
i tried
Valorants servers are perfectly fine
no look at the reply, that was for mumbai/singapore servers pings from my ISP btw
they are talking about Bahrain
no
oh?
mind showing me a screenshot of the full convo?
thats the wrong ips :aniFacePalm:
o.o thats valorant support staff though.. :/
wdym
they are looking at a blog that's outdated
thats the old ones
🙂
expired IPs , they no longer work
++
ahemm
anywho the issue is this and Kenji said he will look into it soon
awesomeee
Chat if these are outdated why are they still testing em out
:kaisaShrug:
😭 😭
ok so what's going on here folks, Pakistan ISPs have bad ping towards Dubai and Mumbai ?
I got about 40ms on average from Pakistan to Dubai Valorant
fill this up folks please so I have a better idea if you dont mind https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd9c4AbpNLxwxlVbtEgVQbdjgyAKOTllug5TSSPKPvm_Na5wA/viewform
Google Docs
Riot Games - Latency issues form
In order to do a deep dive into your latency issues we need more details from your ISP, please go to https://ifconfig.co/ and fill this form with your details
@lyra 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍
what issue my friend
to Mumbai server from India ?
fill up that form please and ill check it out
everyone left and got remade lmao (Behrain)
:Clove_Hearts:
specially Mumbai
well, Dubai is fine
only Mumbai
Behrain
Bahrain is a known issue, this is another issue that's being looked into
but kenji do you agree that between hop 6 and 7 or sum like that is going on :MenheraThink3:
Do you have a traceroute ?
@Kenji-San
I can send you the ping tester I sent the riot support staff
it's the wrong ips :val_Hampter:
I'm from there i could check in a bit as well
oh, if you have the right I can get the tracers
Filled this 👍
also added an image of the ip and everything
it's the ip in the pic
if I'm not totally wrong
kk got it
this is trace from pakistan?
yes
I can send you the traceroute in dms rq
one sec
isn't this for singapore
what about mumbai
that's for APAC
oh alrighty
it will trace you to the closest point of access to you
its on 7th and 8th hop
This is such a cool thing.
that looks like it routes via Singapore :val_KekwSob:
yea
its routing me through sg
👀
@Illuk @Nad @Mysterious Soup if you guys are from Pakistan send the traceroute here
yeah it does
using ping plotter, 5 minutes (Pakistan)
That is very high.
yea 😔
it used to be around 30-35 for me though :/
yea
I used to get 30-35 in mumbai from Pakistan
ah I believe this issue is not relevant for you, seems like it's a pk thing only
Mumbai VIP is under
151.106.246.0 trace and ping thatkk one sec
for bahrain, these last 3 are the only issue
lemme also see a screenshot
this is interesting
I'll try a traceroute to mumbai.
yup one sec
your is fine wdym
This routing is insane.
@lyra Have a look at this.
thats the same for me lmao
Are you from the same country?
can you send a full screenshot? dw there is no private information
I'm aware but i won't, sorry.
alright dw
yeah but y'all are getting sent to Singapore
everyone is Pakistan
oh we have the exact same path.
and exact same route.
yea 😔
@lyra If u were wondering about the route, its exactly this 1 to 1.
alright folks chill out, ill have a look what can we do about this. you all from the same provider ?
Not sure, its a third party provider that sources from nayatel.
mine is
must be same upstream provider then
if y'all don't know
Same.
Pakistan is a nightmare for internet ngl
lmao yea
Oh yes.. and the government is just on its own too stupid to realize how internet works.
you from India and getting 60ping in game ? was it any better ?
need to structure this a bit as its getting spammy, lets focus on Pakistan first
there is also someone who is not in this thread but they are having the same problem (from Pakistan) whos using WorldCall Telecom Ltd
😔 its been so shit lately lmaooo
ok ill change this to Pakistan thread then
So its most likely an issue with whoever is handling the data going cross regions?
First 6 hops which I'm assuming are ISP related, are fine.
I think its because its getting redirected from sgw equinix com
aight good luck guys, ping me if anything fun happens but I gotta go
Chat you should make it fun and interesting chat
Most likely some local handler, I wouldn't know im really stupid in this topic.
hopefully it will get fixed. I am losing my immortal shooting skills slowly.
lol
I got classes to go to😔
Skip classes chat, there’s always gonna be a next class :Clove_Hearts:
alright I see your pain folks, this is since 7-8th December ?
yup!!
like from 2 weeks ago
Kenji-San for the rescue chst :ChillBar_pray:
Ican't play anyway, VAN 185 error
I've been told for weeks that it will be fixed, but still no updates.
😔
See chat even with high pings you were doing good
😄 yeaaa
can you take ingame ping to server screenshot and post it here please ?
yea one sec, let me take it in mumbai server
@Kenji-San
hm I wonder if its better for you to have MENA/EU account converted
you should get better ping to Dubai
problem here is that your ISP have 0 presence in India and they have to use upstreams to get there... this is a problem as none are located in Mumbai, route then takes long path via Singapore as its the only way.
but that wasn't the issue before though, I was getting around 30-35 ping before 😔
I have an account in Dubai, but I don't understand what they are saying really. that's why i prefer playing in mumbai.
yeah they might have had someone before that was providing players with direct link to Mumbai, I cant check the history on ISPs unfortunately so I dont know
yeah thats the issue here
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cloudflare have servers everywhere might get a better ping in Mumbai via their vpn
not yet, let me try it out.
I can ask my ISP providers. see if its an issue on their side again, but they always say that its fine from their side 😔
Tbh they prob don’t even know what the problem is themselves
pk isps? they dont care man, literally just "your internret is working, bye"
whats ping?
try that cloudflare vpn and let me know meanwhile ill try to get this raised with them, there is no easy fix unfortunately
same
but im not from pakistan
can u fix the bahrain ping issue its still not fixed
@Dark NecronX🌟 since you are facing a similar issue, address your problems here chat, it’s easier for Kenji-san! :Clove_Hearts:
It sadly didn't help 😔
I still have the same ping
i m playing form dubai in mumbai server having the same issue
used to get 40 ping
but now from dubai to mumbai server is like 120 ping
any help on this kenji-san:val_KekwSob:
if you are from Dubai play in Dubai man :val_KekwSob:
well that is fair i have a lot of friends who are in india
we have been gamign together since valorant came out
:(( kenji-san, you gotta fix this please 😭 😭
gotcha fill this up please if you havnt already https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd9c4AbpNLxwxlVbtEgVQbdjgyAKOTllug5TSSPKPvm_Na5wA/viewform
Google Docs
Riot Games - Latency issues form
In order to do a deep dive into your latency issues we need more details from your ISP, please go to https://ifconfig.co/ and fill this form with your details
we started in indian server coz they get good ping and i used to get 27 ping there so we all started playing in indian*server
until this iisue
just filled it hope it helps:val_KekwSob:
we r a grp of 13 friends xd
6 of us stay in uae
rest in india
so kinda difficult 😦
i dont know if u remember me kenji san but this same came months back and u helped me fix it xd
https://discord.com/channels/679875946597056683/1250155995427242014
in this post xd ^^
i ll just drop my isp also if that helps >> Emirates Telecommunications Group Company (Etisalat Group) PJSC
but the ping is still over 130, i tried using exitlag for mumbai server, even exitlag is connecting me to a Singapore Exit node. Idk why. For the record, Yes i'm from Pakistan and my ISP is Optix Fiber.
could you do it towards this up
ip
ah my bad, I mistyped the octet
who is your ISP?
Optix Fiber Ltd.
@lyra
now we wait
:KonataSleepy:
:val_KekwSob:
😭 😭
we need to run out of this country
oh ur not from
nvm
I am so smart
I am running out of Pakistan soonish
I want to play valorant so bad I'm going to cry
I thought ur from a different country 😭
cuz I have the same issue
high ping to Dubai and Bahrain
Mumbai is fine tho
wat
wat service u usin
but literal)y everyone in my lobby does
I made a posy before I think
service?
I have issues in Mumbai, singapore
internet service
oh you mean isp?
yup
actually not sure, ip info is giving a random ass thing which I know isn't my.isp
I'll ask my dad when he's back
yea cause my issue is for mumbai
👀
my mumbai ping is the usual 60
Pakistan is pretty bad, my duo always had connection issues
I get so pissed but we good
😔
I am moving back to london this sucks
London feels so dim, atleast when I went there
the whole place had a fuck off vibe 😭
thats the best thing, no one gives a fuck
actually I agree honestly, that sounds peaceful as hell
uk crime rate tho..
yeaa
also I'll ask my duo to chr k if she has the same issue, I haven't played Val in a bit so idk
the only bad thing haha
okayyy, she prob does cause everyone in pakistan is having the issue
which city are you from? if you don't mind
😭
Islamabad
okay shes from Karachi so hopefully she doesn't have it
My friend does, So she most likely does too.
he from Karachi?
✅
fk
also u still talk like me please fk off
cope
.
What is your ping in eu?
jst scroll up
Need new.
@Kenji-San My ping is 47 in dubai now, bahrain is 160+
Bahrain is a known problem
Could you give the ip for eu again?
(for dubai)
try 162.249.72.0
So for some reason, tracert shows 150 ping. Ingame however, I have a stable 39-50 ping
skill issue
she prob has it too, a friend of mine also has it in karachi 😭
Same here
But dubai is good now, atleast for me.
yehhhh she hab bad ping too I asked
its 260 ms for me now
WHYYY
why?
Are you from here?
lahore
bahrain JUST got fixed rn
dubai is still yk
Pakistan is horrible, Most ISPs especially outside main islamabad, give so little shit about anything. and the whole government issue with the internet. its just a whole mess.
bruh 💀
what isp
@Mysterious Soup
but
everyone whos NOT in pakistan and using bahrain servers
are also gettin 100+ ping
like in saudi
Bahrain servers were broken for everyone
were?
wdym were
they still are right?
That’s a different issue
Not sure, I haven't played in a bit.
Bahrain server is managed by AWS, and recently they made changes/updates that caused the routing issue
But you are referring to dubai* server from Pakistan which is completely a different issue than that of Bahrain
oh ok
oh word, will it be fixed..?
Might take some time, again it’s the individual ISP issue and out of riot’s hand, the most they can do is contact the isp and tell them how to fix this issue
😭 😭
We asked AWS to check Bahrain routing towards PK ISPs so thats being looked into folks. We have also raised concerns with PK ISPs towards India servers. When we get something back ill update you
hire me at riot fr:val_HeyApple:
You’ll make 1 hell of a rioter fr chat
ill let you know when the yapper position will get open :val_KekwSob:
Hire me, just pay me in a good internet connection.
@Kenji-San there is a issue from dubai to mumbai
bet, whats the hourly rate :val_HeyApple:
Imagine getting paid by food
i mean that was my payment when i was working at a place
soooo
😭
free snacks and drinks
😭
What else could you ask for
@Illuk NetPlus ISP India should be fixed, please have a look when you are around my friend
@Kenji-San can you have a look at issues of dubai isps
Please stop tagging me man, we know about the problem already read the thread!
Please stop tagging man, they know about the problem already read the thread!
there is 24 people in this thread help
I’m only here cause of curiosity
I see
They just want to talk to you Lyra...obviously
That wouldn’t be a lot lie either
im trynna understand if youre bullying me or not
Help me
Im lsgging
In tokyo server
60 ping from 200
Where are you playing from?
Russia, Yakutsk
Nearby from tokyo
@iumu make a new thread please this is spammy enough here :Gekko_Wingman_Love:
i think dubai to mumbai connections are still cooked:val_KekwSob:
Heyy what isp are you using?
Etisalat
:(( how did this thread become so spammy
Buhahaha this thread no longer belongs to you individually but eveyone facing the issue
:((
:org_XIP:
alright so... ether your Pakistani ISPs will get some presence in India ( Mumbai preferably ) or this wont change, Pakistan upstream providers are not very flexible for India pathing so this is a problem. Currently we as Riot do not have a physical connection between Mumbai and Dubai, that might change in future.
so my suggestion is that we have to look into this in individual ISP level, such as Cybernet folks can play on Dubai with about 45ms ping and ME1 shard for League with about 55ms. I check PTCL and Nayatel now, but this wont get fixed overnight sorry folks
i m kinda confused for the folks playing from dubai to mumbai server i assume we have to wait for some more time or do we have to contact cybernet people
i ll take 45 ping over 120 anyday:val_KekwSob:
ok I am doing some additional investigation into this, I made a mistake and we actually have a link between Mumbai and Dubai, but its currently not functioning due to a provider fault. let me get back to this once that is resolved and people from Dubai to Mumbai should be able to play with lower latency again
we are doomed or saved 😦 🙂
@Metamorphosis is bahrain fixed
And for Optix?
I am getting in dubai lower ping but in mumbai too high ping
i tried everything
Ye kanji San is looking into it
😭
as kenji-san said, we will prob get a presence in mumbai, so lets hope its soon 😄
😭😭
Only if they cared this much about bahrain
they care about all their players experience but again this is out of riot hands and in your ISPs hands
Who, do not care.
pardon?
Referring to the isps.
GIRL
HOW IS IT OUR ISPS FAULT IF EVERYONE IN THE SERVER HS 100+ PING
ND THE ISSUE IS WORSE NOW
SINCE THE LAST TIME THEY TRIED TO FIX IT
cuz most ISPs upstream or use the same route
/similar routes
valorant cant control which route your packages go
best they can do is ask
They kind of can. Most Valorant servers run on Riot Direct, which is Riots own network infrastructure. If your ISP peers with Riot Direct, Riot has more control over the routing, which can improve your connection and reduce lag. However, the Bahrain servers use AWS and not Riot Direct, so the same level of control over routing may not apply there.
🤔 never knew that existed
how do you do this
pardon?
thats val
👀
wait ima ask the user
Knock off game 😭 that’s not Val
oooo
what is this
is it like val
can anyone help me I'm getting 150+ ping on Dubai server I used to get 30-40ms
any1 help me fix my ping
Are you playing from pakistan?
yes
This issue is currently being resolved. Just gotta be patient
rn my ping on bahrain is fine but on dubai its 140ms+
i play on eu server
Yes
Happened to me as well I used to get 20ms it's literally the same issue with me
All we can do is wait tbh
😭
Hello :gura_wave:
What server seem to be the problem?
bahrain is a known issue, mind making a new thread in #community-help and ping me there?
so we can diagnose the issue for you towards dubai ^^
you can start by respecting our community helpers a bit more my friend, this attitude will get you nowhere in your life
especially when you are trying to get some help around
brother went out to catch some fresh air :val_KekwSob:
my ping became normal on both servers but now its the same again ;/
100+ ms everywhere
heyyy :gura_wave:
mind making a new thread?
kenji-san~ how long do you think it will take to get the mumbai server fixed 😭 😭
hopefully its soon 😦
I miss valorant 😭
you should get about 30-40ms towards Dubai, you can try playing there thats very playable imo
your provider have no presence in India, they have in Dubai though
I dont understand anyone 😭
but it was fine, it somehow just got bad start of december. cant it be reverted to that or smth
You need to understand that this is your provider routing towards India overall, I cant fix that if they have no visibility in India, they might have had a link they cancelled... I have no idea what happened. I talked to them and they cant seem to understand that you folks have problems. :val_KekwSob: for now play towards the server with lowest latency.
😭 😭
sadly non:val_Hampter:
hey can u help me im having ping issue on dubai server
u gotta wait. riot is tryan fix it rn
soo there's no way to get a good ping on mumbai? like we can't even tell our ISPs to do the routing and stuff?