IDEX and T0 T1 not matching print coordinates (x shift)

Hello, I'm trying to get IDEX fully working and have some slight trouble having both toohead well calibrated. When printing I have a slight offset as you can wee in picture below. I have calibrated VAOC 3-4 times with well centered nozzle and it happens at every print.
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miklschmidt
miklschmidt•2w ago
There's been a few fixes pushed just an hour ago related to skew correction, update and try again and see if that did anything.
spoown
spoownOP•2w ago
I did update just before print, 15min ago I'd say versions: RatOS v2.1.0-RC3-74-g6c974c94 ratos-configurator v2.1.0-RC3-12-gacf21db1
miklschmidt
miklschmidt•2w ago
Okay, and the alignment in VAOC looks fine, but the print doesn't?
spoown
spoownOP•2w ago
well, the in the top row, the squares are not touching, and in the row below the squares are a bit superposed
miklschmidt
miklschmidt•2w ago
That is indeed a little strange.
spoown
spoownOP•2w ago
well i could force some x shift in the variables but with VAOC fully centered it's not supposed to happen
miklschmidt
miklschmidt•2w ago
@spoown try and disable skew correction actually it looks like you're not using the skew correction you've calculated, try enabling it instead 😄
spoown
spoownOP•2w ago
that's what I was looking... in the saved config.cfg I got
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miklschmidt
miklschmidt•2w ago
yeah so:
[gcode_macro RatOS]
variable_skew_profile: "my_skew"
[gcode_macro RatOS]
variable_skew_profile: "my_skew"
Will load it or "my_skew_profile", they seem to be identical.
spoown
spoownOP•2w ago
for skew calibration with IDEX it's anything related to https://docs.ratrig.com/commissioning-guides/v-core-4#skew-calibration ?
miklschmidt
miklschmidt•2w ago
That's how you calibrate skew alternatively you can use something like Vector3D's califlower
spoown
spoownOP•2w ago
but one with each toolhead?
miklschmidt
miklschmidt•2w ago
No just one toolhead
spoown
spoownOP•2w ago
will try and post results after, thanks
miklschmidt
miklschmidt•2w ago
From what i can tell from your pic, you have a tiny gap on the first 2 squares and a tiny overlap on the bottom 2. So it might not actually be skew related (ie. it looks like the offset between T0 and T1 is consistent). You might want to try calibrating VAOC after heatsoaking the printer. It's difficult to tell without a high resolution straight top down view.
spoown
spoownOP•2w ago
SET_SKEW XY=141.75,141.71,100.05 loaded, heatsoaked bed and now printing again squares test after a fresh homing and VAOC calibration
spoown
spoownOP•2w ago
@miklschmidt
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spoown
spoownOP•2w ago
Same results, you can see on the skirts too this time the pic is better quality
miklschmidt
miklschmidt•2w ago
Indeed, looks misaligned (unrelated to skew). @Helge Keck any idea?
Helge Keck
Helge Keck•2w ago
gantry alignment and/or unequal or wrong belt tension i highly suggest to. update ratos since we added skew correction support judt in case user is using it
spoown
spoownOP•2w ago
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spoown
spoownOP•2w ago
that's the last I done, it ended at 70Hz by demand
Helge Keck
Helge Keck•2w ago
this doesnt mkean anything they can be even but still too loose
spoown
spoownOP•2w ago
I did before the prints..
Helge Keck
Helge Keck•2w ago
gantry alignment skew correction also, could be the y belts, not thex or dc one
spoown
spoownOP•2w ago
for the gantry I can put the Y at endstop and check spacing from the front exstrusion on left and right side right?
Helge Keck
Helge Keck•2w ago
align the gantry in the back of the printer, not in the front align it against the motor plates, thius is metall on metall, you can achieve a much higher precision by doing it
spoown
spoownOP•2w ago
well, it's touching both metal plates perfectly
Helge Keck
Helge Keck•2w ago
here you go
spoown
spoownOP•2w ago
I can turn half more tension on both X1 X2 belts
Helge Keck
Helge Keck•2w ago
you just need to try it multiple times, its just a light alignment or belt error i cant tell you more i know the effect, i had it by my own
spoown
spoownOP•2w ago
do we have a variable to correct that gap manually ?
Helge Keck
Helge Keck•2w ago
you can also try a skew correction
spoown
spoownOP•2w ago
I did... SET_SKEW XY=141.75,141.71,100.05 I'm trying now printing with half turn more tension on X belts...
Helge Keck
Helge Keck•2w ago
im sorry that i cant tell you more, but thats the way to fix it either x, dc or one of the y belts, or gantry misalignment
spoown
spoownOP•2w ago
np Helge... It's a consistent gap, I would like to compensate it manually...
Helge Keck
Helge Keck•2w ago
well, yiu can do that with vaoc
spoown
spoownOP•2w ago
where? the variables are reseting after VAOC calibration
Helge Keck
Helge Keck•2w ago
no, just move the T1 nozzle slightly out of center
spoown
spoownOP•2w ago
50% to guess the right side
Helge Keck
Helge Keck•2w ago
but this is only a band aid and will fix it most likely only for the middle of the build plate try it
spoown
spoownOP•2w ago
I'll try a fresh new one with more tension then this band aid. Thanks for inputs
spoown
spoownOP•2w ago
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spoown
spoownOP•2w ago
@Helge Keck well it worked only with band aid 😅 had T0 VAOC camera almost 0.2mm to the right side on the nozzle, and VAOC centered on T1 results:
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