Input Voltage PWM fans not working

I had a controller fan cooling my stepper drivers which always worked fine, and since updasting to Ratos 2.1 Ive noticed it simply just doesn't turn on, even if in the Mainsail interface it says 100% when the steppers are engaged. Ive added my printer.cfg and a picture of my setup. I have the fan on PD12 with a 12v jumper. My always on fans both work fine, I have J57 on a noctua cooling my pi, and I tested the fan Im using on my controller using that port and it spins fine. Also my 4028 is hooked up with PWM as per ratos guide and it works perfectly fine.
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TheTik
TheTik3mo ago
Hm. Not sure how those ports work. I have my similar fan plugged in 4 slots above that, where you have something plugged in already. I'm also not using the pwm on it though, as it is quiet enough to always be running.
mysticfugazi
mysticfugaziOP3mo ago
well theres a provision in ratos for a controller fan, which should turn on whenever the motors are engaged. I see when I home it goes to 100% for the controller fan but the fan itself isn't spinning, and no voltage is being measured across the pins.
TheTik
TheTik3mo ago
Does it show up in the dashboard to manually control?
mysticfugazi
mysticfugaziOP3mo ago
no manual control because I believe its either on or off, no actual PWM
TheTik
TheTik3mo ago
reading klipper docs it looks like there is no manual control because it is a "controller_fan" as opposed to a "fan_generic" But you're seeing the dashboard say it is trying to turn on and thats making sense so far. It just isn't getting voltage. hm. and you don't have pwm: true ...
mysticfugazi
mysticfugaziOP3mo ago
well it is a controller_fan, it should be on when the motors turn on, Its a simple 2 pin fan it doesnt have PWM really, its just a voltage thats on or off
TheTik
TheTik3mo ago
for sure, I'm just reading through docs
mysticfugazi
mysticfugaziOP3mo ago
Im not reading any voltage across any of the fan ports even if I turn "on" a fake fan I've created using a pin like PD13.
TheTik
TheTik3mo ago
You said "no manual control because no pwm" but that isn't the reason. Was just chasing down that lead 🙂 you've got a F446 but thats the same pinout at least for that header as the 723 I was looking at at first
mysticfugazi
mysticfugaziOP3mo ago
yeah 446
TheTik
TheTik3mo ago
hmmmmm
mysticfugazi
mysticfugaziOP3mo ago
I wonder could the mosfets be fried? Its weird its across every single fan except the always on ones looking at the chips none of them look damaged, the board works totally fine
TheTik
TheTik3mo ago
maybe? if you're good with the multimeter probes you could check for voltage change on the correct leg of the fet
mysticfugazi
mysticfugaziOP3mo ago
yeah just wodnering which fet it is and where to check, Im thinking its these?
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TheTik
TheTik3mo ago
yeah, it'd be those. We have the schematic here https://github.com/bigtreetech/BIGTREETECH-OCTOPUS-V1.0/blob/master/Hardware/BIGTREETECH%20Octopus%20-%20SCH.pdf but not the gerbers so I'm not sure which leg of the fet it'd be but its one of the two at the "top" in that image
mysticfugazi
mysticfugaziOP3mo ago
would be Q9 for J52 PD12 fan Im looking at
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mysticfugazi
mysticfugaziOP3mo ago
either way the green LED is supposed to be on whe nthe fan is on, which is it not
TheTik
TheTik3mo ago
yeah. And you've tested each of the fan outputs
mysticfugazi
mysticfugaziOP3mo ago
yeah none of them seem to work
TheTik
TheTik3mo ago
so either all of the fets are fried, or we've got something configured wrong :/ I gotta run and make some dinner, but good luck for now
mysticfugazi
mysticfugaziOP3mo ago
would be wild if all the fets are friend, no clue how that could happen huh I wonder if maybe theyre all donzo, my 4028 fan now has no PWM control, its either on or off now so PA8 isnt working either I think there must be something wrong, Im reading 20ish volts on some of my 5v rails yikes like my LED PB0 pin and the 5V on J37 I think a regulator somewhere must be broken, but I cant pinpoint it 😦 time for a new control board I guess
TheTik
TheTik3mo ago
Not the result we were hoping for 😞
E-TF[102] Riker
E-TF[102] Riker3mo ago
That is what happened to me! exactly the same It happened one day after working fine for a year, I cant remember the event that caused it, I update regularly but i doubt that could be the casue. New MCU fixed all my problems. 20v on 5v rails
TheTik
TheTik3mo ago
Wish we knew what triggered it but I'm glad the solution is "simple" if pricey
E-TF[102] Riker
E-TF[102] Riker3mo ago
Its very strange, ive been browsing the forums and it would appear its happening more frequently as of recent. I doubt we are all making the mistake at the same time after the MCU´s working fine for a long time 🤷‍♂️
TheTik
TheTik3mo ago
Could be as simple as having a 12V fan powered by 24V and it burns out the 24V supply to that section If I had a bunch of dead boards, an oscilloscope, and a bunch of time I could figure out a common failure point but I have none of that lol
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