Highlighting Highlights (June 2024) - Topic of the day 7/5/24
We've highlighted https://discord.com/channels/1116793467654381685/1258452265535017035 but how do you feel about #waywt-highlights - positive, negative, it's complicated? Is it worth keeping around? Is there anything that can be improved about it?
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I didn’t consider it until some other users commented on it, but it does possibly reinforce certain styles of the discord and discourage more varied fits.
I like it. I think it encourages higher effort posts and people seeking feedback which is kinda the original intent of the discord to begin with no? It feels as close to an upvote system as we can get here, and i dont truly believe that removing highlights would break up the style homogeneity. I think thats just a byproduct of people who think about things similarly and engage with similar media all hanging out together.
Theoretically I guess it could enforce the house uniform but actually I notice that a lot of outstanding fits of varied aesthetics tend to do very well, even better than the house look. I’m not going to do the leg work on backing this up with data
i think there's a preference towards effort that gets rewarded in highlights, and that that's easier for people to appreciate in more traditional or preferred styles but at it's core i don't mind it as one benchmark to see how a fit hits
I enjoy checking it if I don't look at the discord for a bit.
I don't think it it really incentivizes anything that reacts already don't
i've had some fits that didn't make highlights despite me really enjoying them and i've had some fits make highlights to my confusion (i will not say which is which) but, just for me, i think that's helpful to see what about a fit is great or not great
im just curious, is it 40 total reacts to make it to highlights?
I’ll revise my earlier statement a bit, I was referring to the normal highlights channel. The highlights of the highlights (top from June or whatever) seems more homogeneous to me
40 diff users or 40 reacts
i used to use highlights as a recommendation for people, especially new people, to get a sense of what was good contemporary fashion, though as others have mentioned that can spur a maybe limiting approach to style
Unique users
40 different users in 24 hours
Oh that's a good point
the type of react doesn't matter so theoretically someone could get 40 bricks lmao
new goal
I'd actually like to see a highlights system for comments. I think it would be cool if we could reward good feedback in styling suggestions with a similar system.
that said i wonder if 40 is a good number (alternatively "is it better to make highlights more inclusive by lowering the threshhold?")
ive never seen brick reactions so im glad people arent that mean
or raising it so the quality of a fit is apparent
Similarly i would be interested in the shitposter ranked system
ive been in servers where we had post leaderboards
i think it's possible with clarksdesertbot
i dont want to know this information about myself though
would there be a way to distinguish between good comments and bad ones that people react negatively to en masse
i'm on another server that hard codes the ⭐ as a "good" reaction but no idea how much work that would entail
Highlights are good because when i make it into the highlights i get a dopamine hit
I can only imagine :xd:
that makes a little sense as top of the month is a running tally - if someone is gone for a week and comes back to see a highlight they can upvote it still
highlights really just means 40 people reacted to your fit and for me isn't an indicator of quality or anything so i don't ever check it
like it's fine i guess but can we do better
nothing hits as good as being shouted out in the monthly top thread whether you make highlights or not and i wonder how a fully, more conversational version of "highlights" would play out - where it's only the monthly thread and users just share their top fits they liked the most
which can be cool in theory but my concern for that is will people actually engage with that
so i don't know
it would also mean people having to keep track of fits from early in the month through #waywt itself
I’m gonna start dropping @/everyone in my waywt captions to improve engagement
yeah
a lot of variables in this
definitely
i like this and i think it's been discussed a bit but i haven't heard a good solution
put the onus on individual users and i don't think many people will engage
Like: Gives me great inspiration that’s quick to scroll through, encourages growth to for posters, also encourages higher effort to be put into the actual fit-pic-taking
Dislike: if we would just lower it to 37, I’d have a chance 😭
it also fragments the discussion furhter
and there are already so many threads and posts etc
Just one more thread bro please
monthly highlights is fun and if you're taking it too seriously I think that's on you
It's also summer in a largely northern hemisphere server
yeah honestly that's why i said that highlights is really just 40 people liking your fit
We’re on discord and have lots of users who came from Reddit, by design there will be a lot of people who take it more seriously than it’s meant to be
because ultimately it's not serious
It's silly, it's fun. It's not "fair", it's not perfectly diverse but it's throwing the baby out with the bathwater to consider getting rid of it.
i mean how many people consistently know that and take it to heart though
what kmn said
Lots of new folks didn't just make #waywt-highlights bit made top-of. While there's a lot of house-style in top-of there's also a lot of other stuff
im fine with no change but i am admittedly curious about exploring alternatives
what those alternatives are sadly i can't figure out
personally I think reacts and highlights can be good for new people
Put the UK election system into waywt
it offers very quick feedback to see if your outfit is "good" or "bad"
I understand that it's objective to the people reacting
oof yeah see soup that's my fundamental disagreement
it does make posting a fit feel more idk. something to me, but I don't think that's a reason to get rid of it
If this is your stance then let's blow up the whole server. No matter what we do poeple are going to take internet emojis/points/whatever too seriously.
I'm all for adjustments to help new folks but I don't think top-of is an offender personally
I feel happier when someone includes a fit of mine in a “slept on fit” comment in the top of threads
Than when I get the 40 good boy points
i wonder if it would help to track highlights but not have the channel visible until end of the month
good and bad purposely in quotes because it's obviously not that simple
Keep it the same, encourage users to participate in "slept on fits" more?
I understand where you're coming from though, 100%.
like an extra big top of? maybe. because i don't want to get rid of the stats part cuz i like numbers and seeing who had the most reacts for the entire month
like it could be more inclusive and remove a barrier to new people posting if there were no reacts at all
I can see that
i've consistently said highlights is kinda trivial to me, i'm just bringing up a potential concern is all
ah sorry I missed that. Fair enough
that seems like a huge leap from the initial point
Periodic topic of the day where a random user is highlighted as long as they have more than 5 waywt submissions
i don't think anyone is truly 100% against highlights in here and there's a certain personal responsibility involved in keeping your attitude towards it unserious
i lean toward "anything that's based on voting is gonna be a little fraught, at least for some people, but that's not a reason to get rid of it"
or perhaps combine the two; the obvious question is how many people though
deleting all of my submissions now
Is the concern being welcoming to folks new to fashion or homogeneous style? Bc those are two different things and idt there's any way to make something like top-of not intimidating to someone's first steps into fashion
I think this has stemmed from the second question
the "homogeneous in style" i think is part of a broader meta conversation over the past few weeks
Yeah we’re getting back to the. Are we a more advanced fashion enjoyers server or are we an inclusive server for new people
Feels harder n harder to be both
Simply make it so the only person allowed to move a fit to highlights is the current emperor of the sub, in this case zeometer
idt top-of is really that much of an offender to either of those cases
i think top-of is fine as is
I would like to see more hand-picked-highlights
fwiw you can disable emoji reacts!
true!
I think there should be a monthly round of voting for highlighted fits. But we use the french voting system with runoffs unless an outfit has more than 50% of the vote in any round
New totd: Randomly pick a fit and someone that reacted each week. Tag the user who reacted and ask them why
oh god
yeh goodbye
yes going forward I'm now making an effort to record my faves of the month that don't hit highlights and post them in the monthly top thread
Memories of school
because it felt good to me when someone did that for me and i want to return that feeling
_@beans why did you
:brick: react @derekguythis is a great idea
How about this:
Highlights remain the same (drop threshold to 38)
Top of [month] posted alongside a Slept on fits of [month] TOTD.
there is no point in me doing this bc it'd just be reposting every one of filthy_casul, circ, char, seth, blo, and breadfruit's fits
Do we not already?
but to the point of being welcoming to folks new to fashion i suppose one issue is if they recognize or are told "highlights = good fashion" but that their chosen aesthetic isn't highlighted in highlights there's a negative association that may not easily be countered by just saying "oh wear what you want"
the totd is more "discuss the highlights" no?
Yeah I can try and put my money where my mouth is and do that too
i don't know how to resolve that or even if it's an issue
Guys there is no way on earth we are going to adjust the threshold by two reacts
plz
Gerrymandering ass mfs
Kmn begging for crumbs
can my react be worth five then
ig the prompt includes "what was slept on" which is admittedly weak
Slash s
art banning everyone who votes yes
uhm r ur voter registrations up to date
pls provide a photo id
It could also be another TOTD, like the next day have a dedicated "slept on fits" thread?
ofc this is all spitballing, it sitll relies on participation
I straight up thought we already did that but maybe I'm losing marbles
That's certainly not what yesterday's was
I like a separate slept-on thread personally
ok i dont hate this
mods starving for totds anyway
doesnt have to be slept on fits as much as personal favorites/highlights
Yeah I prefer that wording as well
"slept on" language too charged
On one hand yeah but on the other hand we have 25 comments on yesterday’s thread so splitting them in two feels silly
yeah better phrasing, less combative.
next fit battle is gonna be highlights vs slept-ons
yeahhhhhh as much as i like a separate thread engagement is already pretty low
I literally would do the same for your charli
Virgin highlights vs chad slept-ons
posted on july 4
Ok heres the plan. Every region gets one delegate. These delegates are based on population. They collect every fit of that region for a whole month and on the 27th of that month the region has a vote on the top fit of that month. Then the delegates come together at once and submit their top fits to be voted on and ranked. Art appoints 9 judges to hear cases about disputes to the ranked order of those fits. Those judges can now legally be bribed.
What do we think
surely this is a sound idea with no flaws
arlington is separate from dc is my only request
brb moving to Wyoming to Gerrymander my fits
brb gonna be the one quirked up shorty in missoula montana
this is one my favourite posts I've read since I joined this server 👏
Great idea. As the only know person from san diego i nominate myself for deligation and will select myself for best regional fit every month
anyway highlights is highlights, doesn't really matter but I'd maybe wanna see how green the grass is on the other side
we can always go back
I think it’s super fair that NYC gets the same number of delegates as the Wisconsin region. Maybe we draw some lines so that NYC can also encompass Philly since they’re so close ya know
the mods can just refuse to certify too
Actually per my proposal it is based on region, and then population so nyc would have far more delegates than wisconsin
Not fair, workwear has been traditionally rural. Give rural people more vote, they own more land
I really just blame discord bc top-of were great on reddit and it was easy to have an active slept-on comment chain as well but clicking back and forth between the totd and the images thread is a chore
Though in the wisconsin region we get a larger electoral sway when it comes time to elect a new supreme leader
I think we are putting way way to much mental energy into hitting the emote button
Also like it’s entirely time dependent how many reacts we get
It literally doesn’t matter
In the time we've spent arguing we could've gotten my fit over 40 votes
actual thought: less threading, dump it in #fashion
Plus if you have a good caption you get more
wdym by this exactly
asking for clarification
not needling
I think we keep the system and just acknowledge the flaws lol
after talking about it i kinda agree lol
I don't think the current system is really deeply flawed or anything, like sure we can spitball for hours on making it more fair, but it still would have new issues.
There’s a huge difference between the posts that get a bunch of “WOW amazing” comments and a lot of reacts anyways (seems to be a different demographic that engages vs silently votes) so I think people know how they truly stand
I don’t think there’s a way to make things more fair
separate threads always introduce some friction. Folks seemed interested in various alternatives and I've been enjoying the much chattier #fashion lately. So instead of a totd maybe just a culture thing to talk about more fits in #fashion
I feel like the server is a year old now and people have left because the server is not new and shiny anymore and we are spiraling because of that.
If kmn made highlights in the last fit he would be shouting from the mountain tops how its a flawless system
I never open up comment chains in #waywt anyway
Ah yes the silent majority
Wym silent majority
There’s like sixty people here consistently reacting
And it’s almost all chatters
Let me do my silly bit
as far back as like a decade ago on Reddit comments have always meant way more to me than votes tbh! that's not on the fault of the system just how it is
I only get like 2 good ones a year
There’s maybe like 7 or 8 consistent lurkers reacting to fits
i was about to lose it bc i thought you meant fits
can we hire some consultants to figure how to engage more of the 14500 server members
I have an idea
maybe it's as simple as art pinging @ everyone
yeah tag @ everyone
Damn three people thinking the same thing
Make it a porn server
daily at everyone ping
I know one reg that's on board
every waywt comes with an at everyone
at my current rate of posting this is also true
in zoo tycoon you could do this thing where you could block the gates to the exit and trap everyone in your zoo and I wish we could do that with this server
forced push notifications for every post for every user
requiring a manual response or you're banned
give everyone @ everyone permissions and allow us to do it on each waywt post
Every time you make highlights you get one @/everyone
I mean it aint any different than the Reddit was. A billion subscribers and like a 100 regular chatters
"Hey @ everyone, here's my 4th of july fit, happy birthday america, plz like and subscribe"
Untila slim fit article was posted then all the lurkers came out of the woodwork
10 bots to automatically upvote slim-fit to make it hit highlights more often?
staring down the greatest bit of my life
“Honey have completed your required 50 daily reacts in mfad yet”
Actual interesting proposition: what if we had a react that was different from the others that basically meant “wow this is very very very good” vs the other reacts that could mean congrats, solid outfit, funny caption, or wow there’s a lot of people I know in this photo
Things I'm gonna try and do more:
- browse #waywt more often, just haven't been here and when i have i've been chatting instead of looking at fits
- comment more on fits
- maybe post about fits I like in #fashion ? unsure on this one
The real loss from the redit days is the copypasta
Nobody sayin fit is king anymore smh
Also there's a criminally small number of comments on all of waywt, I'm gonna try to comment more instead of just voting
(like any new year resolution, I will forget this entirely in a week)
I comment on all the posts I really like
I feel presumptuous commenting but I'll make more effort
Yeah there’s less chatting in the fits than there was generally it seems like
Yah i drop a commie when i ever i really dig something
hitting highlights: dopamine hit
nice comment on my fit: sustains me for months
Although a lot of the chatting
Was about brands
weeg go post some fits so i can tell you theyre timeless old money aesthetic classic quality heritage buy it for life wirecutter recommended goated goodyearwelt rose anvil and derek guy approved fits
Like “oh cool to see the wythe shirt have been wanting to try those” etc etc
This discord is only as a good as the individual effort the users are willing to put forth
I do have to put together my single july fit at some point
< definitely a low effort user
you only wore 1 fit all of july?
Which is why art is categorically the worst user in mfad because he only shit posts and never fire reacts to my fits 😡
yeah a lot of posting in here about waywt not getting engagement from mfs who dont engage w waywts
I only posted one in june
Havent posted in july
Going to all the highlights that I think didn’t deserve it and commenting snazzy smart posh
This is actually true I’ve probably posted three times as many fits as I’ve reacted to
my last fit was 6/9, may was a rare threefer
dw we noticed
I just don’t like clicking the button
This goes back to Facebook introducing the like button
And then delete all the fences of the exhibits to free all the animals and fire all the zookeepers except 1 so it was one keeper vs the entire zoo
im considering going the z approach of just actually posting what im wearing every day even if (for me) it's largely the same shit and i dont have a great easy place to do it
Art is that zookeeper
the only actual issue with highlights is it can encourage people not voting cause they only check highlights instead of waywt
imo
im not sure how much of a problem that is but i hear you
I think this raises a good point, it's what are you wearing today
but mentally it feels like there has to be a level of effort to post something in it
The truth is I haven’t worn clothing for months now
I know that probably varies by person, and people don't want to post the same stuff over and over
Y'all are posting shit you didn't even wear today?
liars
I’m very spoiled to work completely from home so it’s easier for me to find somethin a little different to wear to the coffee shop
treason
i personally dont actually post what im wearing every day bc
- it's not that exciting/high effort
- in summer i repeat outfits aggressively even WFH
- lizard brain thinks too much about emoji reacts
- don't have an amazing place to take pics
But I think I would like to see more low effort fits from regs tbh
but its also like 90+F all week here rn so
thats 32C+ for the rest of u
send mine to highlights then
i be posting my low effort fits
Im busy all the time and my cat jumped a huge hole through my backdrop
ya just haters smh
yeah i got like 1 or 2 more in me before i hibernate until the colder weather
You and me both dog
circ im gonna ape one of your recent waywts later
just fyi
Woah
meant to yesterday but lazy
Oh
ART
U can separate my low effort from high effort super easily LOL it’s location based
the constant struggle for you of your low effort work fits outperforming your high effort home fits
LOL actually true
Doing a “dress like a fellow mfa’r” or whatever the old threads were called would be fun
theme waywt is fun but they also have a partcipation issue
We could run that theme waywt back
I didn't do the last one ngl
Yeah you did it much earlier
my wardrobe is not built for a lot of the themes or i would
Idk maybe the themes could be more abstract
Like met gala themes
Thoughts and ideas
i don't wanna see MFA attempt met gala theme
I think making them more abstract is gonna hurt participation
“Innovation of the masses”
Oh I wanted it abstract so whatever I wore that day could fit in
char ready for the met gala any day
“Yeah these pants really are ‘ecology of the past, present and future’”
And you have no evidence to tell me I didn’t just wear it and apply it to the themes
honestly MFA would run into the same potential issue of interpretation as in the actual Met
but yeah i support highlights and will attempt to comment more on good fits
yeah glad this thread happened cuz it helped me iron out some thoughts
it's fine the way it is
based and electionpilled
I used to do this but have no time no longer
I always like when zeo uses my fits as a "good example" of styling something :catblush:
hmm. I might just do that occasionally. I have some sketch mental health days where that would be better for me but I still want to post fit
i mean when it's right it's right
it does circle back to highlights being useful as a reference tool, because it's painful to try and sift through fits sometimes
(this is why i try to have captions on waywt, as an easy search tool)
I do the same😆✌️
Bit after the discussion but I have highlights muted and don't really look at it because I always check on #waywt anyway. I do really enjoy hand picked highlights/seeing what people consider to be their favorite fits from the last month and will try to keep better track of my own favorites so I can participate in the totd more often