Where are Dickies 874s supposed to sit?
After seeing photos like this one accompanying reviews, I sized up enough for them to sit at the natural waist as shown. The fit everywhere else looks good, but I can't pull them nearly that high without significant discomfort in the crotch. They want to sit comfortably at closer to around 2" below the navel.
Should I size up again for additional rise or look at other brands that might work better? These have a 38" waist and 28" inseam, and most of my other pants are around 34".
I like the color, especially in dark brown, and they work as is, but I was hoping to try something with a properly high rise.
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Mmm it might just be that your torso is longer or you’re just tall which means for high rise pants to fit around your natural waist/above your navel you have to get even higher rise pants than normal. That being said, dickies 874’s don’t seem to be that high of a rise in the first place so I’d recommend you either wear them a little lower where they’re most comfortable or look for a different cut/pant entirely
I'm definitely not tall at just over 5'7", so I doubt that's the issue, but I guess it's also a matter or proportions rather than just size
They look tight in the thighs which can cause crotch issues. IMO size up and have the waist taken in
just to be clear, that isn't my photo, it was from a review that I based my expectation of the rise on. The actual pair fits better on me except for in the crotch, and with the waist being about 2" lower
Could just be that you have a long torso. Trying a size up can’t hurt though especially if they are uncomfortable in the crotch
The Dickies 874 do have a tendency to be quite tight in the crotch area, tbh!
thanks, I was starting to worry that it might be just me
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJ9HQmtXkAASq5T.jpg
I went ahead and ordered a size up anyway to see if it works better, but I'll probably end up trying something else even though I like the cut and color otherwise (although they also aren't super breathable)
I guess the wider leg makes up for that though
what are some other brands with a similar width and higher rise that are around the same price or slightly higher?
@LeisurelyLoafing @briquebrutale I'm wearing the size 40 now and can comfortably pull it up to my natural waist. The crotch also feels a lot more comfortable in general.
The only problem is that I can't really get the waist to sit that high and stay in place, at least not without tightening my belt to a degree that isn't ideal. It wants to eventually settle closer to my hips and below where the stomach begins to protrude somewhat. In that position, the waist is now actually too big and bunches when belted.
Should I just have these pants taken in and wear them down there, or is there another reason I'm unable to keep them higher that I haven't accounted for?
The waist is too big so it’s falling. An alterations place will be able to take fabric out of the waist so they stay in place
but that's the thing, it's not actually too big when they're up right below my navel or at least if it is only slightly
Sounds like you have the same long torso problems I do 🤣
Does tightening the belt kept them where they should fit?
and if I belt it there shouldn't it stay in the same way it might if taken in, obv not lookign as good but functionally?
not really
I mean it will if I just stand in place
Idk what you mean - are they tight in the seat? Odds are having the waist taken it will help but pants kind of always tend to fall unless you have zero gut
I guess I'm used to wearing most casual pants so low that they don't really have anywhere to go
I have a pair of vintage carhartt painters that have a monstrous 14” rise. You may just need something with a really long rise
the rise on the 40 is actually not terrible, it's pretty close to too tight, but a lot better
the thing is that to keep them up, I feel like I'm having to almost push my stomach out slightly and if I suck it in they will drop some
Try a 42. I’ve found that a tight seat or crotch can pull the pants down as you move.
I could tighten the belt further but another notch is then uncomfortable
Sounds like something is off with the fit. I usually buy big enough to be comfortable in the hips/seat/crotch and either hold them with a belt or have them taken in
they're basically where the should be right now with the belt tighter, but if I fully breathe diaphragmatically then it feels not great
wouldn't these issues persist even with a 42? I'd have to tighen the belt just as much to get them to stay in place, no?
I guess with the extra rise of a 42, I could pull the waist above the apex of my stomach entirely and they might sit there, but that would be well above my navel and look off to me
It’s really hard to say one way or another. The rise won’t be dramatically different between the two if at all.
My advice would be to find a pair that fits comfortably in the seat, crotch, and thighs and then have the waist taken in to fit.
You could also take your current pair to a tailor and ask them what they think the issue is.
You may also just need a different cut from a different brand
that's what I was planning to do, I think the geometry can only be altered so much, so I might just keep these and wear them somewhat lower and look elsewhere for a high-waisted option with a significantly higher rise
is the rise typically less or greater on women's pants?
I also think posture could be a factor, though I'm not sure exactly in what way or what to do about it. I do have fairly pronounced anterior pelvic tilt
You can probably take 2” out of the waist before running into issues
that may be about what I end up with since the last pair when worn mid/low felt good everywhere except the crotch
Lmao is the problem that you have a muffin top? I’m the same where my waist around my navel is a bigger size than right above my hips, which does cause my high rise pants to come down through the day
that is not the preferred nomenclature
Best solution for me was to size according to/a bit bigger than where I wanted the rise to land (which for me is around 34 compared to like 32 ish with low rise pants) and cinch it down with a belt. It isn’t the best solution but it works
but yeah, I'm pretty solidly in dadbod territory after gaining a decent amount of weight due to an injury, but I see people that are skinnyfat/dadbod to even greater degree than I am pulling off high waisted pants all the time
RIP fair
I think the OG dadbod hack with high waisted pants was to get them quite a bit bigger and just hang them from your shoulders with suspenders
I don’t really recommend that unless you’re wearing tailoring
or you just wear them above the gut entirely which I guess is why so many seniors have them at like the sternum
Lmao yep
I dunno, when I wear high rise pants that fit around my gut they do usually slip down eventually but it’s no biggie
the thing I don't understand completely, as I'm fairly new to high waisted pants at least casual ones, and definitely new to navigating the challenges of wearing them after gaining weight, is doesn't anyone's stomach move when breathing to the point where a fixed waist even belted would be moving enough for them to fall?
It also kinda varies throughout the day depending on what I’ve eaten and my body position lol
if you're breathing diaphragmatically as is ideal, your lower abdomen is changing diameter significantly at any weight
I wouldn’t know, I have asthma :xd:
so what keeps everything in place, just tailoring the pants or finding some that are cut well enough to suit you elsewhere to keep everything where it should be?
when you wear low rise pants your abdomen changes shape but your hip circumference doesn't so they don't move, but anyone wearing higher pants at least as high as the natural wait/navel is going to have a constant change in diametert
I guess elastane solves that, but not an option here really unless I want to get into proper grandpacore with some SansABelts
I just stood up to try this lmao
I mean I feel it changing a bit but it’s not enough to make my pants fall down?
not for me either, but it's enough that the work their way down eventually some unless I belt them too tight
Yeah I think that’s the life we have to contend with 😭. I might have to hit the gym just so I can wear high rise pants lmao
afraid that might be the only option. I posted a question asking the same a few days ago and was assured that body shape/size isn't a factor, so maybe it's a skill issue
like I said, a lot of people who are more rubenesque can still pull it off, but they are also usually pretty advanced
maybe I should just bite the bullet and try suspenders, but I don't think I have the wardrobe to match without looking grandpa-adjacent
If you’re wearing a sport coat that never comes off then it’s fine
true, that's what I meant basically, I rarely do, and it would probably still look off with something more unstructured or a chore coat or something
like you're still going to see the suspenders when you move around with an unbuttoned jacket
I'm not seriously considering making the switch anyway
I guess I could always raid my dad's storage locker for some vintage sansabelts
just want to chime in here that i don't think dickies are "high waisted" the way a nice, tailored pair of high waisted trousers are. they are supposed to sit at your natural waist, i.e., probably right around where you can feel your hip bones
the person in that review photo is in excellent shape and has basically no belly fat, so for them they're able to pull them up a little higher and it still fits well around the thighs
i say this as a fellow dad who also has a bit of a dad body, they are hard to pull off like that with a bit of a belly
in my experience with dickies i ordered multiple pairs until i found one that didn't require a belt to stay up and that was what worked for me
at most you maybe go one size up
thanks for this, I think I have a better idea of what should be possible then
I will probably keep the 40/28 and get it taken in 3-4" to wear a bit lower then because I like the extra width and the fact that there is a lot more room in the crotch and seat
my actual waist there measures around 35-36, and most of my existing pants are 33 or 34 with varying degrees of vanity sizing
@dontbeweird2012 do you think it's possible to find other higher pants that would work, or should I just wait until I've lost a bit more weight before considering them?
if you're actual waist is 35-36 i would get a 36, maybe -- MAYBE -- a 38 at MOST. going up to 40 is wild. they aren't going to look good anywhere like that IMO
i am a true-ish 35 and i think the pair i have that works for me is a 36. with dickies of course i had to try multiple pairs because their QC is terrible and some of the "36es" i ordered were like 38+
again i would point out that they aren't really high waist pants. i think they are more mid rise than high rise
as far as losing weight, i mean yes it's good to be in good shape. i think if you want dickies you should just go for it -- they're meant to be beat to shit and look better as they get older and softer. and they're cheap enough that when you do lose weight it's not like you bought an expensive pair of tailoring that you're stuck with
but keep in mind that although what makes them cool is they are decidedly NOT fashionable, dickies are not going to make you look like a model. or even that guy in the pic you posted, who again is in excellent shape and can probably wear anything and look good
the cut and fit is somewhat weird. that's the point, but can make them tricky. however again they're so cheap and plentiful why not buy a pair and fuck around a bit
I love my 874 and I think I look great in them 😄
that is exactly why I decided to try them first. I don't mind the way the cut looks at least overall. In addition to the somewhat higher rise, I like the wider leg, since similar pants I've been wearing from taylor stitch and other brands are mostly straight, and I would prefer to try something that is not just marginally different so I can get a feel for it
Do you think I'd have more luck with the loose-fit double knee instead? It seems a bit wider, and theoretically I wouldn't have to size up to get more room in the crotch and seat like I did with these
i don't own a pair of those so can't really say. i also think they're cotton/canvas and not a poly blend? could be wrong. but that would mean they might have more stretch/be more forgiving
I'm sure you do! I have them and love them too. but i do think they are slightly trickier than expected. mostly because the sizing is all over the place since they don't QC and historically haven't been a fashion company. but again that's what makes them cool imo