What to wear with black dress pants
(When I bought them they looked a dark brown but now they look black lmao)
I only have Allen Edmond's Dark Chili oxfords as my dress shoes. Does that combo match?
Will black dress pants pair well with a white dress shirt and burgundy sport coat?
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The black pants are pretty harsh here tbh
A marled grey slack would be much better
i do have some but i need to get those tailored and I kinda need them before Weds haha
do you think tan chinos would look better
Unfortunately the sport coat fit doesn't look quite right in your shoulders
The black pants also aren't good here. Black dress pants only really works with black dress shoes
the shoulder seam lines up at the end of my shoulder. I'm guessing there's a minor divot, but sometimes it goes away
It's not a minor divot, the jacket simply doesn't fit your shoulders
the shoulder seam lines up at the end of my shoulder tho
Shoulder fit of a jacket isn’t just about the 2d measurement of where it lines up - it’s also about the arm opening, the sleeve width, and the curvature of the entire area around the shoulder. In this case it doesn’t fit right
That being said unless it’s a menswear event you’re going to on Wednesday you’re probably fine. If you’re trying to get into tailoring as a style though you’ll eventually want something that fits better
Black dress pants can be paired with colors but material and texture become very important. Here the pants just seem too matte and too smooth to pair with anything beyond other blacks and whites
I wear a grey glen check jacket with black dress pants and black shoes
Black dress pants are difficult to make work.
Overall, the black pants with burgundy jacket, I really don't hate it. I do tend to agree that I'd prefer black shoes like GSH said. Is it forgivable as-is? I think yes, but I don't think it looks the best. This is one of those "run what you brung, but next time bring something better" things maybe? Assuming you just don't have black shoes... not like you gotta spend $xxx to get them right now, but ...
I do agree that the jacket fit around the shoulders is wrong. Okay, so, I have seen in /r/MFA and on this discord, people focus heavily on the shoulder seam and the end of the shoulders. I say this in caution: that's a heuristic. Let me explain.
First, the bit about shoulder seam and shoulders. There is no hard and fast guarantee that if the seam ends where you shoulders end, you have perfect fit, and vice versa, there is no hard and fast guarantee that if the seam does not end where your shoulders end, you have poor fit. The most obivous counter-example is the "extended shoulders" that a jacket can have. Depending on the structuring of the shoulder, you can in fact extend the shoulder of the jacket out past your physical shoulder, often by quite a lot (as usual, when you go custom, you can do much more -- but even RTW, you can extend it a fair bit.) For me, my standard shoulder seam "straight across" measurement is 16", but I have jackets up to 18.5 inches or so that still fit pretty great. Going the other way - slightly shorter - can work too. It really depends on the rest of the jacket. This is a good heuristic in general but it is not a RULE.
Second, the shoulder fit is pretty much a combination of the following:
- Collar shape, size, curvature, etc
- Shape and direction of the stitch where the back and front panels meet
- How the cloth and canvas of those panels has been shaped
- The shape of the shoulder structure
- The height and width (generally, shape) of the armhole
- The height and width (generally, shape) of the sleevehead
- How specifically the sleevehead has been attached to the armhole, ie, the methodology and the shape it forms (see: difference between spalla camica shoulder, natural shoulder, roped shoulder, and other shoulders)
- Sleeve pitch
- Drape of the material
All/most of these are three-dimensional, not two-dimensional, and very hard to "measure" in any real way if you're not tailoring the garment itself. And it has to go with your very three-dimensional, moving body.
So I hope you understand that having the end of the shoulder seam line up with the end of your shoulder really does not guarantee proper fit ...
thank you for the lengthy and well explained comment. It seems like my journey to find a well fitting sport coat in the shoulders will be a stressful road ahead lol... like I got this from the thrift but imagine buying online, I'd be returning a ton and I'd be pulling my hair out
I guess the best solution is to go bespoke lmao
It's the best solution if you have several thousand dollars and several months to spend, at minimum, on iterating your pattern with a bespoke tailor, yeah. Otherwise, probably not