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Rat Rig Community [Unofficial]•2y ago

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im totally new to this Macro adjusting. its my first RatOs running printer: after adjusting my belt tention- my run and holt current is not enough to do a sensorless homing. where do i find those adjustments and how do i save them? thanks in advance! das ganze ist für mich komplett neu: ich habe das problem, dass die runn und holt currents für das sensorelss homing nicht mehr reichen, da ich die riemenspannung an meinem v3.1 500 erhöht habe. wo finde ich die macros und wie speicher ich diese? danke im voraus

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rival-blackOP•2y ago

if this is a readf only- how do i find the adjustable?

miklschmidt•2y ago

This doesn't look like the most recent version of RatOS? What version are you on?

miklschmidt•2y ago

this looks several years old. RatOS v1 reached end of life at the start of last month. I recommend you update to V2. See: https://os.ratrig.com/changelog#ratos-v20

Changelog | RatOS

RatOS V2.0

rival-blackOP•2y ago

i will never be able to get it running again alone but thanks for pointing it out i have absolutely no understanding how this works- it looks so stupid but i thgink someone had adeep thought about it and is able to explain to me how it works 3.5 hours later im totally lost

miklschmidt•2y ago

So first of all, if this is all completely new to you, do not use sensorless homing. Second of all, a reinstall (while carefully reading the RatOS documentation and following all the step by step instructions) would do you good and help you understand how things work. Are you using a second hand printer you didn't set up yourself?

rival-blackOP•2y ago

thanks for the reply! everything "worked" as i got it used in germany. it was stressfull but i managed to get it "printing". the quality of those prints where soo bad that i needed to start changing things. i started wich checking alighnment and a bolt check. that helped a lot. than mid printing a test cube added belt tention. that helped a ton- now thint looked like a print and not a birds nest. first layer was on point and the extrudermotor finally got the right current. after this print i wanted to repet it with different pressure advace settings but homing did not work anymore cuse its getting its max current by just movig so it thinks it got to a mechanical stop. (0.39A) after the wrong homing (its just not home but the process is done) i can move freely with the RATOS buttons and everything sounds and feels normal. than i asked for help to adjust that run and hold current for sensorless homing. someone pointed out after sharing screenshots that i am still on v1- so he recomended to update to the current V2.0.1 ...i dont know if its a language barrier or something else going on but i dont get the new IP adress after flashing ne new firmware onto my 32 gb SD for the PI. and here i am, figuring out why and what went wrong cause nothing works. im currently downloding a different file from the assets on github and reflash that file onto the SD with balena etcher.

miklschmidt•2y ago

Did you read the documentation?

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rival-blackOP•2y ago

yes i do read it- all the time but its not working like it shoukld *should ...or- more likely- i messed up one step?!

miklschmidt•2y ago

@carbonarne Are you not seeing the hotspot?

rival-blackOP•2y ago

correkt sometimes i see it but than i can not enter the rasberry pasword

miklschmidt•2y ago

What do you mean?

rival-blackOP•2y ago

i dont see the network apearing how can i better discribe?! a red small LED next to the mini USB port is constant on and a green one flashing from time to time

miklschmidt•2y ago

this is normal It might take a few minutes Which raspberry pi model are you using?

rival-blackOP•2y ago

the standart one

miklschmidt•2y ago

That doesn't mean anything. Is it a 3 or a 4, how many gb memory, etc

rival-blackOP•2y ago

a few moments is 9 hours? 32 gb

miklschmidt•2y ago

No obviously that doesn't exist

rival-blackOP•2y ago

how do i find out the type

miklschmidt•2y ago

It'll say on the pi itself

rival-blackOP•2y ago

on the SD kart model b v 1.2? ah 3

miklschmidt•2y ago

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rival-blackOP•2y ago

rasberry pi 3 model B V 1.2 thanks!!

miklschmidt•2y ago

Okay so that should work just fine

rival-blackOP•2y ago

it worked

miklschmidt•2y ago

What device are you using to join the wifi network?

rival-blackOP•2y ago

mobile phone previously

miklschmidt•2y ago

So you're connected to the hotspot now?

rival-blackOP•2y ago

now its not working anymore *no

miklschmidt•2y ago

What do you mean it's not working anymore?

rival-blackOP•2y ago

i tried to update with 2023-04-11-RatOS-v2.0.1-raspberry-rpi32.img its not shoing the network enzwhere anywhere

miklschmidt•2y ago

So your phone isn't showing a "RatOS" wifi network?

rival-blackOP•2y ago

correct

miklschmidt•2y ago

How is your pi powered?

rival-blackOP•2y ago

and usually my laptop finds this network as wich wich its not anymore

miklschmidt•2y ago

The images are tested on Pi 3's and Pi 4's, so if it isn't working, it's something on your end.

rival-blackOP•2y ago

i think so cause its red led is on and sometimes the green one i thoght so i just wanted to point that out just in case

miklschmidt•2y ago

I asked how not if

rival-blackOP•2y ago

ah sorry

miklschmidt•2y ago

Wifi can be unstable if you're not providing it enough power

rival-blackOP•2y ago

via a dedicated USB 5v 2500ma

miklschmidt•2y ago

That should be enough Are you close to your printer when you try to connect?

rival-blackOP•2y ago

20cm

miklschmidt•2y ago

Okay, so it's not because the signal is weak at least. May i ask where you're from?

rival-blackOP•2y ago

if i pull the sd card the green LED is flashing nrthern germany

miklschmidt•2y ago

If you do that while its powered you break things

rival-blackOP•2y ago

ok so than i broke it

miklschmidt•2y ago

I'd suggest you try #german-support it might be easier to get help in german We have a lot of very capable german members here who will be able to help you better At the very least your sd card is corrupted, you would have to reflash. Do not plug/unplug things ever while powered on. Except for USB devices

rival-blackOP•2y ago

ok so ill try to reflash the SD first how can is link this conversatuion to the german forum? (im new to dicord)

miklschmidt•2y ago

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rival-blackOP•2y ago

wich etcher schould work?

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miklschmidt•2y ago

First one

rival-blackOP•2y ago

there we got one mistake ok ill do again

rival-blackOP•2y ago

so just be save

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rival-blackOP•2y ago

i took the 1.08gb version to flash onto the SD in the Pi... is that correct? (i used the wrong Etcher but anyway

miklschmidt•2y ago

You want this one.

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miklschmidt•2y ago

Sounds like thats the one you got

rival-blackOP•2y ago

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rival-blackOP•2y ago

ok so that was right than

miklschmidt•2y ago

this is likely a dead SD card Probably because you just yanked it out of the pi while it was powered

rival-blackOP•2y ago

propably new sd works but i have only saved the printer cfg

miklschmidt•2y ago

That's fine, you can use that as a reference when filling in the new printer.cfg (do not copy it over)

rival-blackOP•2y ago

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rival-blackOP•2y ago

i got another sd card to work and got to the point of initilizing

miklschmidt•2y ago

Have you gone through the configurator? Ie. have you configured wifi and flashed the board via the configurator at this point?

rival-blackOP•2y ago

Unable to parse option 'pid_Kd' in section 'heater_bed'

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rival-blackOP•2y ago

printer2.cfg

rival-blackOP•2y ago

i have started to look deeper into getting it to run but stranded here

miklschmidt•2y ago

this is usually because you made a syntax error before or after. Let me check Yeah

[heater_bed]
control: pid
pid_Kp: 22.2
pid_Ki: 1.08
pid_Kd: 114

# ADXL345 resonance testing configuration
#[resonance_tester]
#probe_points:
#    100,100,20 # 200mm printer
#    150,150,20 # 300mm printer
#    200,200,20 # 400mm printer
   250,250,30  500mm printer

[heater_bed]
control: pid
pid_Kp: 22.2
pid_Ki: 1.08
pid_Kd: 114

# ADXL345 resonance testing configuration
#[resonance_tester]
#probe_points:
#    100,100,20 # 200mm printer
#    150,150,20 # 300mm printer
#    200,200,20 # 400mm printer
   250,250,30  500mm printer

rival-blackOP•2y ago

yes thia is what reddit and the configurator help site said

miklschmidt•2y ago

This is wrong Cant just have random coordinates floating there, you want the section and parameter name uncommented as well

[heater_bed]
control: pid
pid_Kp: 22.2
pid_Ki: 1.08
pid_Kd: 114

# ADXL345 resonance testing configuration
[resonance_tester]
probe_points:
#    100,100,20 # 200mm printer
#    150,150,20 # 300mm printer
#    200,200,20 # 400mm printer
   250,250,30  500mm printer

[heater_bed]
control: pid
pid_Kp: 22.2
pid_Ki: 1.08
pid_Kd: 114

# ADXL345 resonance testing configuration
[resonance_tester]
probe_points:
#    100,100,20 # 200mm printer
#    150,150,20 # 300mm printer
#    200,200,20 # 400mm printer
   250,250,30  500mm printer

rival-blackOP•2y ago

so how?

miklschmidt•2y ago

this

rival-blackOP•2y ago

without the space in front?

miklschmidt•2y ago

space?

rival-blackOP•2y ago

ah i see

miklschmidt•2y ago

👍

rival-blackOP•2y ago

was looking for the difference in your and my version its the # before probe points

miklschmidt•2y ago

and [resonance_tester] both are very important [resonance_tester] is the section probe_points is the parameter 250,250,30 is the value

rival-blackOP•2y ago

i dont have a resonance tester though

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miklschmidt•2y ago

5160's?

rival-blackOP•2y ago

yes

miklschmidt•2y ago

Oof.. this is regarded as advanced usage, so this is gonna be rough for a beginner.

rival-blackOP•2y ago

i did not realy understand where to change what

miklschmidt•2y ago

https://os.ratrig.com/docs/configuration/advanced-stepper-configuration

Advanced Stepper Configuration | RatOS

RatOS V1.1 introduced modularized stepper and driver configuration, this can be used for more fine grained control of your steppers. In your printer.cfg you might have noticed a section like this:

miklschmidt•2y ago

you can't use these two lines:

# UNCOOLED TMC 2209 + LDO-42STH48-2504AC
[include RatOS/printers/v-core-3/tmc2209.cfg]
[include RatOS/printers/v-core-3/speed-limits-basic.cfg]

# UNCOOLED TMC 2209 + LDO-42STH48-2504AC
[include RatOS/printers/v-core-3/tmc2209.cfg]
[include RatOS/printers/v-core-3/speed-limits-basic.cfg]

You need to implement those yourself.

rival-blackOP•2y ago

different drivers is hard to do you say? ok lets try together for some time

miklschmidt•2y ago

Furthermore, there is no config for extruder motors on 5160 because thats a pretty bad idea

rival-blackOP•2y ago

what?!

miklschmidt•2y ago

Yeah, low current motors on 5160's is gonna result in poor microstepping because the sense resistors are so low that the currentscaler has to go below 16

rival-blackOP•2y ago

but aren't they included?! where should i put them?

miklschmidt•2y ago

You cannot include these, they're for 2209's

rival-blackOP•2y ago

i try to run 2A ... it worked befor

miklschmidt•2y ago

Everything in RatOS is optimised for the most common combination of hardware, it's made for beginners. You've made a very non-beginner choice and gone with 5160's What extruder are you running 2A on !?

rival-blackOP•2y ago

hahaha i feel that no extruder is 0.35a

miklschmidt•2y ago

yes Which is shit on 5160's

rival-blackOP•2y ago

or somethink like that

miklschmidt•2y ago

You want a 2209 for your extruder

rival-blackOP•2y ago

ah i see

rival-blackOP•2y ago

sorry for a copy version and not a downloaded one... this was my printer cfg when it ran

printer_cfg.txt

miklschmidt•2y ago

[include RatOS/extruders/orbiter.cfg]
#[include RatOS/extruders/orbiter-1004.cfg] # Use this with the LDO-36STH20-1004AHG motor

[include RatOS/extruders/orbiter.cfg]
#[include RatOS/extruders/orbiter-1004.cfg] # Use this with the LDO-36STH20-1004AHG motor

You want to comment the orbiter config out. You're gonna have to configure it yourself.

 [include config/printers/v-core-3/tmc5160.cfg]

 [include config/printers/v-core-3/tmc5160.cfg]

This doesn't exist

rival-blackOP•2y ago

step by step... iom still looking what to do with those 2 lines

miklschmidt•2y ago

neither does this: [include config/boards/btt-skr-pro-12-5160/config.cfg] Looks like you've modified RatOS on your old installation

rival-blackOP•2y ago

so i have to write one my self for teh tms5160

miklschmidt•2y ago

Indeed

rival-blackOP•2y ago

*tmc i see

miklschmidt•2y ago

You can copy the tmc2209 config, replace the tmc2209 sections with 5160, etc

rival-blackOP•2y ago

yes thought so now i know ehy i am struggeling

miklschmidt•2y ago

Yeah :/

rival-blackOP•2y ago

and nothing wanted to work out of the box

miklschmidt•2y ago

Yep, hardware isn't supported so it's a bunch of manual work well, some of the hardware

rival-blackOP•2y ago

i rund the skr pro 1.1 current update only supports 1.2 errors as well i dont know what else gets fuked up by that

miklschmidt•2y ago

There shouldn't be any issue with that

rival-blackOP•2y ago

ok just saying

miklschmidt•2y ago

Should be fine You just need to sort out the 5160's

rival-blackOP•2y ago

i was afraid to klick on 1.2 ok and all the other stuff you said ill do it tomorrow cause its midnight

miklschmidt•2y ago

I don't remember the exact difference between 1.1 and 1.2, but i believe the pin out is the same and the mcu is the same So you should be good

rival-blackOP•2y ago

woukld you mind to summerise what i have to do?! create the 51 folder and marco comands... what else?

miklschmidt•2y ago

All you need to do is: * Replace the extruder driver with a tmc2209. Or * Make a config for the orbiter: ( ie, adapt https://github.com/Rat-OS/RatOS-configuration/blob/v2.x/steppers/ldo/36sth20-1004ahg/24v-0.7a-e.cfg and https://github.com/Rat-OS/RatOS-configuration/blob/v2.x/extruders/orbiter.cfg (you don't need the 2209 section in orbiter.cfg) and * Replace

[include RatOS/printers/v-core-3/speed-limits-basic.cfg]
[include RatOS/printers/v-core-3/tmc2209.cfg]

[include RatOS/printers/v-core-3/speed-limits-basic.cfg]
[include RatOS/printers/v-core-3/tmc2209.cfg]

with 5160 equivalents. You don't need to do any of this in separate files, you can do all of it in the user overrides section so it's easy to copy paste next time you reinstall.

GitHub

RatOS-configuration/steppers/ldo/36sth20-1004ahg/24v-0.7a-e.cfg at ...

The RatOS modular klipper configuration. Contribute to Rat-OS/RatOS-configuration development by creating an account on GitHub.

GitHub

RatOS-configuration/extruders/orbiter.cfg at v2.x · Rat-OS/RatOS-co...

The RatOS modular klipper configuration. Contribute to Rat-OS/RatOS-configuration development by creating an account on GitHub.

miklschmidt•2y ago

For sensorless homing you need to 1) copy this: https://github.com/Rat-OS/RatOS-configuration/blob/v2.x/templates/sensorless-homing-tmc2209.cfg and change tmc2209 references to tmc5160. 2) Change driver_SGTHRS to the 5160/2130 equivalent (See the klipper documentation on sensorless homing) in the sensorless-homing-tmc5160 config you just made. 3) Change diag_pin to diag1_pin in the sensorless-homing-tmc5160 config you just made 4) add variable_driver_type_x: "tmc5160" and variable_driver_type_x: "tmc5160" under [gcode_macro RatOS] in the sensorless-homing-tmc5160 config you just made. (see: https://os.ratrig.com/docs/configuration/macros#homing) 5) Include the sensorless homing config in the homing section in printer.cfg and comment out the physical endstop includes. 6) Tune currents and sensitivity for sensorless homing (see the variables in [gcode_macro RatOS] for homing currents)

GitHub

RatOS-configuration/templates/sensorless-homing-tmc2209.cfg at v2.x...

The RatOS modular klipper configuration. Contribute to Rat-OS/RatOS-configuration development by creating an account on GitHub.

Configuring RatOS Macros | RatOS

RatOS comes with a bunch of flexible predefined macro's that can be customized via variables and macro hooks.

rival-blackOP•2y ago

thank you!!! what dose "not exist" mean? is it missing in the cprinter.cfg or in the folders behind it?

rival-blackOP•2y ago

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miklschmidt•2y ago

It means the file does not exist. Do not modify the RatOS folder. If you want to make separate files, put them next to printer.cfg

rival-blackOP•2y ago

back on it if a file dose not exist- means i can add it kinda like a folder next to the the printer cfg- right?

rival-blackOP•2y ago

any advice how to find that pin?

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rival-blackOP•2y ago

we have tried to include a custom file a do a [include] comand

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