ApolloH Hotswappable PCB 88H-T-SC, PgUp key always green led on everytime on restart..
Is there a way to permanently to turn it off? The led appears even when the rest of my leds are off. Tried searching everywhere for an answer, sorry for noob question
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It seems to be hardware damage in the led part, but please try reinstalling the software.
ah i see
for more clarification, the green LED lights up (pgup key) only when I restart my PC and the keyboards plugged in
it's managable, BUT was hoping if there was an option to turn it off to prevent burn-in in the future
I will give the feedback to the maker. π
Actually my mistake⦠it seems to be the pause key instead
this is what it looks like upon launching my pc
would like to know what the green led status means under the pause button, any help would be much appreciated π«°π»
Means nothing much
It has been noted as a QMK bug that it does not act upon bootup on the RGB settings
Many people have been seeing that problem
i will issue a firmware update soon adding the indicators
And trying to fix that
ah, alright. thanks for your response
Check #apollo87h-project . The latest patch should solve your issue
Will this work on the Apollo 88h?
I'll issue the same patch for 88 soon
Thanks πthe goat π€
Patch issued. Please see #apollo87h-project
This patch is for user configurable indicators in VIA, any other fixes?
Sorry for ask here, but latest patch for 88H
CapsLock's Indicator seems not working properly
It's always ON on my board, another key like Scroll Lock or Layer key is no problem
Try wiping EEPROM
And then unplug and replug
I wiped EEPROM and flash firmware again, it still ON anyway, it might be hardware problem?
Hardly
I'll meet soon with someone that's having the same issue
I'll see if we can debug it
@Gondolindrim also curious, do we follow these steps to reflash apollo 88?
nvm, i got it to work, everything is successful for now 
π«°π»
@Gondolindrim just a bit curious, does entering DFU mode when pressing escape and plugging back Pcb in mean we've cleared EEPROM? (the clear eeprom was always greyed out, so never really gave me an option to). just wonderin, thanks!
π«°π»
@Gondolindrim just a bit curious, does entering DFU mode when pressing escape and plugging back Pcb in mean we've cleared EEPROM? (the clear eeprom was always greyed out, so never really gave me an option to). just wonderin, thanks!The clear EEPROM button on QMK Toolbox doesn't do anything here
Pressing the escape does clear EEPROM and forces MCU into DFU
@Gondolindrim only problem i'm kind of having right now is that when i turn rgb off, and restart my pc, rgb just resets and turns back on
is there any possible way to leave it off completely? thanks
Turn it to zero brightness
yep.. ive turned it down to 0 brightness but it just goes back to default brightness π’
the rgb resets if i unplug and plug pcb back in, tried to reflash but remains the same @Gondolindrim
It's working fine on my unit
Try using the 24-04 firmware
ah
is that the most recent one?
Ye
ohh, didnt see the updated firmware, just installed the one for 23 in the apollo87 thread
Make sure to use up to date firmware and the new JSON
oh do you have the most recent json file?
is it 23 for json
dis one? and curious, what does json file do exactly? π
JSON is the VIA configuration
mhm, i just loaded it up to via
but i dont have any real clue on its functionality lol
If you want to know how it works in the itty-gritty I suggest reading the documentation
Functionality-wise what you need to know is: the new QMK firmware needs a new VIA file because they work together
So if you use new QMK with old VIA it's just not going to work
ohh okay, lol im a bit slow
yeah the dimming the brightness to 0 works to make sure the rgb stays off
Oh it's fine, it's all really technical when it gets to the how does it work part
I just don't want to get all the way down to that haha
lol no you're good, understandable
the rgb does however turn back on
if you decide to toggle it off
i can just keep brightness to 0
which is fine lol
I mean I can explain how the VIA persistent memory configuration works through manipulation of customized typedef data-types and pointerized addresses on register memory
But I think you don't want an embedded systems lecture so
i wouldn't understand anything LOOL
yeah i'd have to learn the craft first to understand any type of lecture of this calibre π
@Gondolindrim would u say tho not to use the rgb toggle function?
What RGB toggle
Ok I was able to replicate your issue
oh before i'd just do this setting
yeah
If you set RGB to "All off" it resets back right
but turning brightness down is also another alternative
mhm
yeah the past firmware i was able to just leave it like that
so i got used to it lol
If you use all off the indicators wont work
It is all off after all.....
However this is a bug
I'll try and correct it
Thank you for the report
okie
For now setting brightness to 0 should do the trick
yessir
no problem, appreciate your clarity and responsiveness 
@mailli this is a fixed version
"All off" stays after reboot
Bit of warning: all off is indeed all off so not even indicators
ah so in order to enable indicators, just toggle rgb back on?
The idea is that the RGB and indicators are kind of separate entities
So setting RGB to zero brightness controls only RGB
Indicators still work
ohhh
All off turns all off
There are plenty people that use use the PCB with no lighting
fsho, thank u!
I seem to be having a weird issue with indicators. Pressing Scroll Lock, turns on the indicators for Caps, Num, and Scroll Lock. Pressing Num Lock turns on the indicator for Num Lock and Caps Lock. Pressing Caps Lock only turns on Caps Lock.
They all kinda function as an logical OR as well. Meaning, if I have Num and Caps lock on, the Caps indicator will remain on until both Num and Caps lock are turned off.
What is the indicator configuration you are using
For indicator config #1 is Caps Lock, #2 is Scroll block, and #3 is Num Lock
Give me a print screen
I'd like to know if you guys get this figured out and what the solution is.
Will do, once I get home
That is interesting
Have you cleared EEPROM?
Doesn't putting it into programming mode by holding ESC when plugging it in clear eeprom? All of my previous settings are reverted when I do that. This is after doing that and a fresh flash with the 4/23 firmware.
@Gondolindrim Mine does the same thing as @Ameripol 's pcb.
Repeatedly, following your steps of holding ESC before plugging in, holding for 5 more seconds, then releasing.
I've also flashed the latest firmware you posted, using QMK. The one from 04/25/2023.
I missed that one. Just flashed it and same result.
Glad to know it's not just a me problem π
It's not really a big deal and I am by no means trying to gang up on Gondolindrim. I was just trying to offer another case where the issue is present to help with troubleshooting. I think it's a great PCB and I am thankful for all his hard work.
Absolutely, it's a minor issue for me too. The board is fantastic overall.
Not feeling gang up on at all, just trying to understand the issue. Little frustrated that I can't replicate your issue
As far as PCB goes I have nothing to say on firmware because it works
I do know that some machines have issues when it comes to caps/num/scroll
It would suggest that for some reason your machine activates them all at once
What happens when you change indicators for layer fgunctions?
Strangely, if I change indicator 2 to be a layer 1 toggle indicator and don't have scroll lock indicator defined the scroll lock button still toggles the caps-lock indicator.
Im not sure I understand
Indicator 1 is defined as caps lock indicator. Indicator 2 is set as TG(1) on the pause key. There is no indicator 3 or 4 defined. Scroll lock key still turns on caps lock indicator.
This pretty much confirms that for some reason scroll lock is activating caps
I am inclined to say that is not a PCB problem, much likely an OS/computer issue?
To be honest that is a first for me
Thank you for the response. It's interesting to hear it might be an OS/Computer issue. I have ruled out my own computer, as I tested it on my wife's computer as well. Same behavior. I guess that would just leave the OS. Currently, my Wife and I are both using Windows 10 Pro. Are there any other troubleshooting steps you could suggest I take? I have a home server running Ubuntu 22.04 LTS. I'll give it a try there, and let you know if it behaves any differently.
I will add that for me, Num Lock also activates Caps, not just Scroll Lock.
I also replicated h0tr0d's latest testing, and I got the same result. Scroll lock always turns on the caps indicator, even if it has no indicator. A further step has shown that Num Lock turns on Caps indicator, even without a Num lock indicator. Lastly, Scroll lock will turn on Caps and Num indicators, even if there is no scroll lock indicator, but just a scroll lock button.
Just tested on my Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Server, and it seems to function the same as on Windows. Scroll Lock turns on Num and Caps indicators, in addition to Scoll Lock indicator. Num Lock turns on Caps indicator in addition to Num Indicator. Interestingly though, the Caps Indicator didn't seem to work when I tried Caps Lock by itself.
Ok so
I think I solved it @Ameripol
I was able to replicate the issue
And apparently fixed it
Try this
Looks like it's working for me! Thanks!
Can confirm, works for me as well! Thank you so very much!!!!
Is it recommended to flash this 0306 firmware or it is only for those who encountered this specific indicator problems?
TY! Something similar but different was happening to 87H-T-SC as well. Please look into it π
where do i get the json file for via? I updated the firmware for h88 and I dont see the indicators options in VIA
Now that I confirmed the issue and confirmed the patch works I have already applied the changes to 87H and 87HTSC. I will publish their binary files soon.
For this new firmware you need a new JSON. You can find it in #apollo87h-project
Glad to be of help!
Glad to be of help!
Firmwares uploaded to #apollo87h-project .
If you have the stock firmware it works just fine, so I think you can keep it with no issues
The new firmware is new QMK after all, more modern with more features so you can admit it's somehow better
I wouldn't worry about it honestly
If you want the indicators feature then yeah the 0306 firmware is the way to go as the old one seems to have an issue
Thanks for the clarification. I can live without the indicators feature.