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iTeachChemβ€’2mo ago
burrito

guys the o=2 and degree = undefined here right?

d^2y/dx^2 + sin (dy/dx) = 2
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iTeachChem Helper
iTeachChem Helperβ€’2mo ago
@Apu
iTeachChem Helper
iTeachChem Helperβ€’2mo ago
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burrito
burritoOPβ€’2mo ago
also what about sin(d^2y/dx^2) + dy/dx=5
BlindSniper (BS)
BlindSniper (BS)β€’2mo ago
what if you take dy/dx=t here you have to take d^2y/dx^2 as a separate by taking dy/dx other side then taking sin^-1() on both sides and then same dy/dx=t tell me if it doesn't work I'll give it a try
burrito
burritoOPβ€’2mo ago
oh so order would be 2 wb degree?
Nimboi
Nimboiβ€’2mo ago
undefined if the expression is not, or cant be turned into a polynomial in dy/dx then degree cant be defined
burrito
burritoOPβ€’2mo ago
but the power of the highest order is 1 right this one btw sin(d^2y/dx^2) + dy/dx=5
Nimboi
Nimboiβ€’2mo ago
order has no such polynomial condition so im gonna go on a limb and say order = 2
burrito
burritoOPβ€’2mo ago
alr and degree?
Nimboi
Nimboiβ€’2mo ago
has that polynomial condition, as i said, so undefined
burrito
burritoOPβ€’2mo ago
ohh okay wb here @Nimboi order 2 degree undefined?
Nimboi
Nimboiβ€’2mo ago
haan bhai polynomial nhi hai voh dy/dx mein for more examples check diff eq ncert
burrito
burritoOPβ€’2mo ago
but like power of the highest order is 1 there
Nimboi
Nimboiβ€’2mo ago
i agree but since degree is a term that's adopted from polynomials, for some mathematical reason or the other (maybe compatibility) we've defined it such that degree is only defined when polynomial in dy/dx @Satya S sir do u know why we've defined it like that specifically
burrito
burritoOPβ€’2mo ago
ok so no derivative shuld be part of a function?
SirLancelotDuLac
SirLancelotDuLacβ€’2mo ago
Mathematics Stack Exchange
What is the definition of the degree of a differential equation?
Edit: I realise this is causing a lot of confusion, perhaps I've not been very clear as to what exactly I'm asking for, so here's a more clear summary. I'm saying that if degree is positive integral
CertifiedBrownMunda
CertifiedBrownMundaβ€’2mo ago
Interesting questions. I have never read anything about it to be honest but if I were to guess, degree is defined for algebraic functions (polynomials) and therefore generalising the same idea in differential means we need to talk about degree for algebraic functions. Here in this question sin x is a transcendental function which cannot be expressed in the form of a polynomial of constant degree (like if you use series expansion then it will be having infinitely many terms which means the degree is infinite or undefined). Another reasoning can be to standardize a definition so that all mathematicians across the globe are on the same page.
Nimboi
Nimboiβ€’2mo ago
ah yeah fair definition thing
generic display name
generic display nameβ€’2mo ago
Derivative should not be in denominator or radicals (fractional powers) or trigonometric or logarithmic or exponential to the point where it cannot be isolated independently as a function of x. In short dy/dx = f(x). Now f(x) can be any function of x
Nimboi
Nimboiβ€’2mo ago
yep
generic display name
generic display nameβ€’2mo ago
this isn't just for dy/dx, all derivative terms of any degree that appear in an equation must be isolable
Nimboi
Nimboiβ€’2mo ago
polynomial is of the form $ax^n + bx^(n-1) + cx^(n-2) ... and so on till px^1 + qx^0 which is just q$
TeXit
TeXitβ€’2mo ago
Nimboi
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Nimboi
Nimboiβ€’2mo ago
wow nevermind thats just cursed thats hilarious lmfao
generic display name
generic display nameβ€’2mo ago
I love LaTeX πŸ₯΅
Nimboi
Nimboiβ€’2mo ago
gaand mein danda
generic display name
generic display nameβ€’2mo ago
I've always loved it ever since I came across it in class 11 Great devotional song I've heard in 2025 I could have named myself I love LaTeX but I chose flame tests Cuz I luv flame tests more πŸ₯ΊπŸ‘‰πŸ»πŸ‘ˆπŸ»
Nimboi
Nimboiβ€’2mo ago
give this man some salts and a fire and bro will entertain himself for however long
generic display name
generic display nameβ€’2mo ago
Yeahhhhhh
CertifiedBrownMunda
CertifiedBrownMundaβ€’2mo ago
There's latex here. How do I use it? Let me try Polynomials of the form $ax^2+bx+c$ are quadratic
TeXit
TeXitβ€’2mo ago
Satya S
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CertifiedBrownMunda
CertifiedBrownMundaβ€’2mo ago
:Rick_cool_smug:
Nimboi
Nimboiβ€’2mo ago
skam KEKW i was supposed to put brackets after my powers
Opt
Optβ€’2mo ago
Simple way. $p(x) = \sum{k=0}^{n}a{k}x^{k}$
TeXit
TeXitβ€’2mo ago
Opt
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Opt
Optβ€’2mo ago
@Nimboi Try putting your '$'s only around what you want in maths form. Don't use it for regular text stuff.
generic display name
generic display nameβ€’2mo ago
How did you guys learn how to use this bot to print such equations in LaTeX?
Nimboi
Nimboiβ€’2mo ago
i didn't actually learn, which is why i failed a little above i use https://desmos.com/calculator to type my math expression normally in a more friendly UI, and copypasting that text gives you the latex life hack can type int for integral or sum for sigma, and use ^ for powers yeah makes sense
BlindSniper (BS)
BlindSniper (BS)β€’2mo ago
oh you asked order and degree πŸ’€ πŸ’€ πŸ’€ πŸ’€ πŸ’€ I was thinking of how to solve "Give a man a fish, he'll satisfy his hunger for 10 minutes Teach a man how to fish, he'll satisfy his hunger for the rest of his life" ahh comment 🀲 🀲 🀲 🀲
generic display name
generic display nameβ€’2mo ago
why is ishowspeed here
iTeachChem
iTeachChemβ€’2mo ago
+fsolved
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iTeachChem Helperβ€’2mo ago
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