Ampere's Law or Calculation of Magnetism Field

Also a tangent question: How exactly do you use Ampere's law? For instance, you have a finite wire, draw an Amperian loop along its length and you get an incorrect expression for cylindrically radial component of magnetic field.
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Opt
Opt5w ago
This is from Irodov iirc I remember seeing it Answer should be zero? Nvm, not zero, I dumb. Just field due to straight conductor Field due to plane is zero
SirLancelotDuLac
SirLancelotDuLacOP5w ago
mu_0 I/2pir above the plate and zero below But yeah I got that biot savart, but still the main doubt is as mentioned in the post above.
Opt
Opt5w ago
No, you get the correct expression, do you not? You get zero In your Amperian loop question that is
SirLancelotDuLac
SirLancelotDuLacOP5w ago
Yeah, but how does biot-savart law work in finite wire? Further what exactly is the significance of the plate-thingy here? Oh crap, Im so dumb 🤦‍♂️ I confused Ampere's Law with Biot-Savart's
Opt
Opt5w ago
Biot-Savart for finite wire is really direct. I'm not sure what your confusion there is. The plate thingy here, iirc, has a symmetric current distribution (radial), you could think of it as semi-infinite wires with opposite current from origin to infinity in all directions. Oh, you want Ampere's law for finite wire?
SirLancelotDuLac
SirLancelotDuLacOP5w ago
Yeah
Opt
Opt5w ago
I'm not sure it would work because the magnetic field is really really ill defined near the ends of the conductor
SirLancelotDuLac
SirLancelotDuLacOP5w ago
Ah, is that the reason why you get an incorrect result?
Opt
Opt5w ago
The loop you mentioned gives zero, so I don't think that's an issue
SirLancelotDuLac
SirLancelotDuLacOP5w ago
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SirLancelotDuLac
SirLancelotDuLacOP5w ago
I was thinking about this scenario. Cylindrically symmetric B & Loop and a finite wire with current I
Opt
Opt5w ago
It should still work in the differential form Where you have j instead of i
hithav
hithav5w ago
did you do the question by amperes law or biot savart law
SirLancelotDuLac
SirLancelotDuLacOP5w ago
Ampere's Oh god, the curl of magnetic field = mu*j form?
hithav
hithav5w ago
at P how do you get field due to the plane to be 0 from amperes law
SirLancelotDuLac
SirLancelotDuLacOP5w ago
No at P the answer is mu*I/2 pi r, below the plate its zero
hithav
hithav5w ago
I'm asking about field due to the plane not the net field field due to the plate
SirLancelotDuLac
SirLancelotDuLacOP5w ago
Field due to plate at P=ne field-field due to wire no?
hithav
hithav5w ago
so to get the net field you are taking an amperian loop parallel to the plate and circular ? won't that give you only tangential field to the loop or I'm just overthinking it
SirLancelotDuLac
SirLancelotDuLacOP5w ago
+solved @Opt
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