Say suggestions you would like to see in Planet zoo 2! (Animals/mechanics)
I would like to see the Kakapo - a medium sized, nocturnal and flightless parrot endemic to New Zealand
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We need a walrus or aardwolf š¤§
Goodfellow's tree kangaroo
One simple thing. Add aquariums.
I know most people only want aquariums for dolphins and sharks
But not me
Idc if we get those or not
Im more interested in manatees and stingrays
Seahorses, clownfish, anemone, coral, arowana, piranha, sea sponges
Me too, sharks and dolphins are simple, there are so many other fishes or underwater animals that are so cool
Well i wouldnt call highly intelligent social animals simple
Id more say overrated
Yes sharks are intelligent
Inorder to be a good hunter an animal needs to have some level of intelligence to catch their prey
Well, yes, that would be a better word. But I would love to see turtles, rays, or the possibility of creating an entire underwater ecosystem (like a coral reef), composed of many small or larger fish (in a similar way to butterflies now).
Like this on the picture
Id say most of my ideas for reef tanks
Tangs, butterflyfish, angelfish, damselfish, clownfish, triggerfish, pufferfish and boxfish
Then theres also the matter of the separation of classing saltwater and freshwater fish
Yes the salinity in the water is important
Saltwater fish die in freshwater and freshwater fish die in saltwater
Also water parameters
Actually i forgot since aquariums are overly complexed to run
Thats why we havent gotten them yet
Well, it would definitely have to be solved somehow, either two separate types of aquariums, or the possibility of changing it in the options, as there are now options for terrariums
You need to understand the level of filtration, salinity, temperature, acidity and alkalines each animal requires
That would be hard to someone, but I still think add aquariums will be a good idea
If the aquarium system worked kinda live the terrariums temperature and humidity system
With a gauge to manage the parameters
I'd also like aviaries too
Perhaps the fruit bats can be changed to habitat instead of exhibit if we get aviaries
Also a good idea
I have a few ideas for some difficulty settings, like having an option for your zoo to be by a city, where prices for things are higher, or having it in a rural area where things cost less but you get less visitors.
Another idea is to be able to have a prebuilt layout with a small enclosure, exhibit and entrance, or have it so it just starts off with a car park.
Also having your conservation rating go down over time if you donāt release any animals or something.
I strongly feel like adding some sort of Carts for the keepers to use and/or Guest Services. Working in a zoo Irl it's a major part of the behind the scenes that not many of the guests will see but it would be interesting to see them utilize Gators or something for animal droppings and/or transporting food.
Alongside, I feel as if it would be an interesting addition to add in the schedule system sort of like the one into Planet Coaster 2
Carts would speed their slow asses up
Yes
I like
not sure if it's been said yet but I would love if you could actually walk around your zoo as a player in like 3rd person view like you could in zoo tycoon ultimate
I do not like
Unless it was optional
More storage space
If only
Upgrade the storage to 400 atleast
well ofc you weren't in it all the time in zoo tycoon ultimate either it was optional sure there were like quests to bring medicine to enclosures and stuff but you didn't have to do that
mabye hotels so we can build a hotel in the zoo?
Don't know any zoos irl that do that
Some hotels or theme parks own exotic animal collections that they use to attract people to the hotel
But no zoo that i know of has hotels
well we in norway has one zoo that has a hotel right outside the entrence but still would be cool way to earn money :)
I really would like to see a KodKod. Its unlikely because they are extremely rare and not much is known about them. BUT it would bring attention to the animal and some awareness.
I do also agree with carts! The number of times you want the staff to go somewhere and they are taking their sweet time is frustrating š
The game only adds animals that are currently in zoos or have a history of beint in zoos
To my knowledge there has never been a single kodkod in captivity
So absolutely not likely
Werribee Zoo has some cabins and things
Add goofy animal statues like this.
I think theyād probably get quite a lot of hate for that ngl
Itās not like you have to use them
True
To my knowledge no zoo on earth has or has ever kept great eared nightjars
So thats why they aren't in the game
Literally all the animals ingame are or have been in real world zoos in some capacity
They dont just add an animal because it looks cool
aww, really? dang, i didnt know that. too bad, i'd love to have some in on š¦
im new to PZ, so im not exactly sure of everything. imma delete that now lol, feel embarrassed
I mean you didnt have to delete the message
Now i just feel bad
don feel bad lol. im a v anxious person, so when i mess up in tend to just delete stuff
besides if there's little to no chance of it being added, there's no reason for me to leave it up
I want the Oceania and Domestic packs to come to console edition š¦
They will eventually
I would love Orcas. I hate reallife Zoos, especially when Sea Life lives there. But at the end, its a gam;e, not reallife.
Kind ot unfair to lump all zoos together
Conservation based zoos are SOOOO much better than entertainment based zoos
So yeah comparing an accredited zoo to seaworld is like comparing a gourmet restaurant to a rat infested kitchen
Some zoos are better some zoos are worse
They arent all "animal prisons"
But yeah orcas are one of the animals im highly against in captivity
Orcas in captivity are almost never happy
Especially seaworld orcas
Yeah but at least its a game. But I got a mod to have my orcas
Day and leopard geckos š
Overall just any kind of gecko in my opinion
How the hell have we not gotten geckos or chameleons yet
They are zoo staples
Whatās the name of the gecko that blends in with tree bark? Thats my favorite but I can see why it would be hard to code in
I beleive theres several species of gecko with that skill but its hard for to pinpoint a species
Not too familiar with these types
Never mind i remembered it
They should make an exhibit animal pack that just adds like 10 new exhibut animals. Parrots, Geckos, smaller tortoises/turtles, and more poison dart frog species
Mossy leaf tailed gecko
I actually don't want parrots to be exhibit
Yes thatās the one
Well theyād be too small to be and enclosure animal I feel
Seems a waste to make a highly intelligent bird nothing more than an animal with a looped animation pattern and flight path
Actually no they wouldnt be too small
Parrots range in various sizes
You could also make it to wear they are (Enclosed) With the educators and their education talks. Theyād sit on their shoulders and just chill
And exhibit is for simplistic animals that barely move irl anyway
Reptiles tend to spend alot of time basking
Bat spend alot of time sleeping
And sloths hardly move at all
Parrots are too complex to just make exhibit
Fair
I feel a good fit for another exhibit animal could be ants or moles
Also tour logic of too small is flawed with parrots
This too small?
Could also add the smallest cat species ever
But this is just right for habitat
Pretty sure we currently have that already
Ah nvm
Nope this is
Rusty spotted cat is the smallest
That is an adult. And itās the size of a leaf
Adorable
You also tend to forget
Leaves
Particularly tropical varieties
Are massive yes
Also range in size
But like come on heās so small. I feel like if it was added the only thing they could do with it is an exhibit
This is a kitten compared to human hands
Ive already mentioned
Exhibit isnt chosen based on how small the animal is
Its mostly based on how active the animals is
Iām new so I donāt really understand the processes that go into this sorry
Reptiles, amphibians and insects just kinda spend alot of time doing nothing
Typically basking
Which is why they are restricted to exhibit
Bats often roost and sleep
But to make them more interesting they were given a looped set flight pattern
Same applies to butterflies
So they could add like horned frogs or the spiky lizards? (Forgot the names)
And sloths just kinda barely move
I dont see why not
Whatās an enclosure animal youād like to see?
Honestly
Goodfellow's tree kangaroos
That or common patas monkeys
My personal favorite choice is probably the aardwolf. Itās an insect specialist
Looks like a mini hyena
Thats because it is a hyena
It is quite literally the smallest living species of hyena
Yeah
If they add fully aquatic things Iād like belugas and dolphins. Do what sea world dosnt and treat them correctly
My reasoning for the patas monkey is just because i like them
Monkeys are common animal groups in zoos
And i have an interest in oldworld monkeys
Like colobus monkeys and guenons
Would be neat to have common patas monkeys ingame and have them give enrichment benefits to other african forest animals
Like the pygmy hippos
But also make it that chimpanzees act aggressive towards them
Ye
Chimps are known monkey hunters
Iām conflicted on wether chimps should be added
Chimps consume smaller primates
They freak me out too much
We already have bonobos and theyāre like nicer chimps right?
Chimps are already in planet zoo one so i dont see why they wouldnt be in the sequal
Plus the fact chimps, like lions, are popular animals and are staples in zoos
Almost every zoo houses chimps
Oh thatās right this game is getting a sequel
Well nothing confirmed yet but we are speculating
Will people get a discount if they already have the first game.
? My girl aināt happy I spent 136 bucks on this game
She can get over it but itās still a fair question
Not sure it will work that way
Worth a shot
You got any zoos youāre working on right now? Iām trying to get 3 stars on hard mode in every park of career mode
Been taking a break from the game for a bit
I spent 235 euro on this game š
You didnāt buy it on sale?
I didnāt get a discount on Planet Coaster 2 so I doubt that.
No. There wasnāt even a Christmas deal
What do you mean? The sale is rn.
Then I bought it right before the sale started
Oh. The sale started Dec 19th and ends Jan 2th
Bro I bought it Dec 26 and no deal. Or maybe I did cause I got the season pass so I could get all dlc that come to the console version
Season pass doesnt apply to all the dlc sadly
Barnyard and zookeepers pack will not be part of the season pass
You gotta buy them separately
Oh, I was talking about the Steam sale
Yeah console players aināt got those liberties
Bruh
Season pass only applies to 14 DLCs
North America, Europe, Aquatic, Twilight, Africa, Grassland, Tropical, Arid, Conservation, Arctic, Australia, South America, Eurasia and Oceania
Wetlands and Southeast Asia were included as part of deluxe edition
PlayStation store sometimes has sales on games and dlc
We donāt have Oceania yet. Didnāt find out till I tried building a kiwi exhibit
Keyword yet
Oceania will be included in season pass and so will eurasia
:SpyTec:
I want to see a cotton-top tamarin
Hell yeah
- I want to see a larger variety of petting zoo animals and more interactions with guests. Also, have animals "have had enough" with visitors if their enclose gets crowded or they are being bothered. Have goats and sheep push rowdy kids. Have smaller animals hide instead.
- I also want way more variety in exhibits designs, sizes and shapes (such as roofless or customizeable ones for indoor use or animals that are bad at climbing and also native to the zoo's temperature and biome). I do not want to exhibits to look the same other than a pile of leaf litter being positioned differently.
- I want to see popular or interesting fish species to be used in exhibits. (within reason, such as matching size requirements)
- Working playgrounds are a must.
- If multiple keepers take care of an animal, have them have a favorite one.
- Give keepers, vets, and educators groups of animals they have bonuses for => you can choose the best one for your planned expansion, giving more depth to workers.
- Rework enrichment items so that they wear out, be destroyed or get boring. Add a tab to the enclosure that lets you customize or automate a selection of enrichment items that will be added into visitor visible areas of the enclosure when the keeper takes care of the animal. Old, worn out, boring or destroyed enrichment items will be removed and replaced with different ones. Animals should interact less with these items once they wear out, become damaged or boring, and far more when it is a new item. Have at minimum two types of ice enrichment: food filled and non food filled. The ice lasts a short time and does not need to be removed, while the food keeps the animals fed even if their bowl is currently empty. Having more variety in enrichment items not only adds realism, but also makes old enclosures still worth a look later on in the game - especially if you added or unlocked an enrichment item the animals did not know about yet.
- More foxes
- Add a "paint path"-mode for easier plazas.
- Have a road connect to your park, and, even if you cannot build outside of the park, have parking spaces and outside buildings be customizable with sliders like those used in exhibits. It looks really bad to have a zoo in the middle of nothing, with no viable way of visitors to reach the entrance that doesn't involve science fiction technology or magic.
- Make the collision boxes of trees, rocks and similar items fit more snuck with the actual model, thus making it easier to create customized dens and animal housing that can actually be used by the animals in question without building unrealistically big.
https://streamable.com/xyk31i
Growth animation like this
I wanna see more deer
like elk
Whitetail deer, mule deer
More interested in seeing more exotic deer
The 4 species we have are north american and european
Reindeer, moose, red deer and european fallow deer
I wanna see some asian species
Sika deer, PĆØre David's deer, water deer, Reeve's muntjac, chital and sambar deer just to name a few
Some south american species would be fun too
Like southern pudu
Also Rusa
- Rework coolers or add additional ones that have a single additional perk: allowing for snow on rocks and trees even when the map climate is above freezing. Having a penguin house or an indoor arctic fox with enclosure with snow would be wonderful. while it isn't the most realistic, I would also love to be able to add properly snow covered areas to regular zoos. if this is too expensive when it comes to ressources, please instead add an addiotnal set of tundra flora, scenery and rocks that have a light or medium snow cover - perfectly white rocks do not cut it.
The javan rusa is a close cousin of the sambar deer
Literally both belonging to the same genus
So either one is fine
Yeah they can also hybridise and make rubar, I also see rusa all the time irl so thatās why id rather see rusa then sambar
Surprisingly a little known fact
Aslong as a species is in the same genus
Ik
Hybridization is possible
they can
yea u told me before
I just felt like saying it
Also funfact
Did you know a hybrid between an asian elephant and african elephant was once born in a zoo
What the
nope
had no clue
The thing sadly died shortly after birth
yea thatās sad
They even named him
Mottley i beleive
the species or the elephant?
His name was motty
I see
Its hard to tell he's a hybrid
But he has features of both african elephants and asian elephant
The large ears of the african
And the short thin layer of fuzzy body hair
Only present on asian elephants
When did this happen?
1978
Before zoos focused more on Conservation and welfare
mmmmm
Chester zoo was the location motty was born in
Whereās that
England
Oh
Actually african elephants amd asian elephants aint even part of the same genus
So
In order for hybridization
They merely have to be in the same taxonomic family
And now Chester zoo is considered one of the best in the uk.
Likely already mentioned but: Let me select, copy and move terrain and paths. Also, add a selection option to the multi selection that lets you limit the selection to specific items or item types.
national parks and conservatives
a setting where keepers dont have to add more food
Thatās another key think Iād like to see
Weight loss and weight gain
Starving animals appear bony and skinny
Overfed animals appear rotund and obese
To get an overweight animal to a healthy weight give them more of the play enrichment so they have a means of exercise
Example, dingoes playing with the tugging rope and splashing in the pool to exercise
The problem is, they would have to model a skinny and rotund model for every species, and for the juveniles of every species too.
But the difference it would make
Indeed. Imagine animals that get taken from smugglers or saved from bad husbandry have visible poor conditions like being overfed or skinny and sickly. Within your zoo, that would happen far less frequently, unless something goes wrong, but it would really add a lot of depth. Also, for animal trading and releasinfg into the wild, a good weight would be a spec zoo keepers could reasonably manage and perfect for higher rewards, compared to genetics that are based on chance and sheer numbers.
Probably also the same reason arctic foxes keep their winter coats ingame
Because they'd have to model a summer form
I mean i think if you have animals with scars they came from those situations
Yeah animals have scars ingame
C'mon, Frontier can do it if they could.
I like the idea, believe me. I just don't think it would be possible
changing coats would be nice.
dont know how the location of the zoo or artificial heating and cooling would affect that, though.
then again.. if you have an animal dlc pack that has 5 animals, and it costs 12 bucks new, you kind of want to have features like that, regardless of the additional work it may cause. it is unfair to compare it to free content created by the modding and workshop communities, but some animals feel like they add exactly as much.
changing coats would also mean seasons, which would mean having trees and vegetation change colors. also having weather be cold in the winter months rather than randomly. this is a lot of work. but, honestly, if they want to make a new game, and have it be better, they better give us features that are impressive or significantly change the game for the better. otherwise, why would i pay full price and basically get rid of all dlc i bought for the base game, only to start from scratch with limited animals only for a slight improvement and the chance of getting stuff i am fond of back within years. if it is like that, i would rather continue paying for dlc and hoping for free updates that improve the game.
Tbf the main reason why yhe arctic fox doesn't change its coat
How time passes in the game
Every DLCs would be obviously worth it if one of the animals in each of every DLCs has a unique feature and behavior which no other animals possessed.
Yeah but think about it
Time works very differently ingame
Like time moves very quickly
Sobthe arctic fox coat would just change very frequently
they could slow down time, if it is any help..
Changing an entire mechanic seems too drastic
Especially since its just gonna make tortoise aging a billion times slower
..they could make seasons last 1 year each, so you can have both?
not perfect.. but better than nothing.
But that takes away from the realism
permanently white, fluffy foxes do as well. just at a smaller scale, maybe.
Maybe they thought people wouldn't recognise an arctic fox if it wasn't white
Kinda the same issue the red deer, european fallow deer and moose follow
Males antlers fall off annually
yes
You wouldn't easily differentiate males from females during those times
And the change wouldnt last very long
I think each season only lasts about a minute
there is no nice solution to this. as you said, turtles would be rather bad if you increase the duration of winter coats to anything reasonable.
my zoo is at year 15 and i did not build a single enclosure yet. that is 30 times of color change. which is a lot.
maybe if you allowed to sell young turtles, and only can buy adult ones.. but that isnt exactly a solution either.
Technically you can sell and release young adults
But thats the thing
Young adult
Not juvenile
Also ngl i wish they add a feature to punish you for releasing domesticated animals like the llama and bactrian camel
Like take away Conservation points and stars
Domestic species do not contribute to conservation at all
If anything kinda harm it
Technically simply breeding them does conserve domestic species, but they should stay captive
They cause more harm than good when released
on the same hand, zoos do not contribute to the number of almost all species of the african savanna, as vastely more animals are cought then released. but you already pay for those with conservation points.. so.. its okayish?
To my knowledge zoos ghese days do not capture animals
Almost all animals are bred from the earlier generations of zoo animals
Which those were wild caught
However some are rescues from illegal captures or smuggling
Illegal wild caught animals are typical infants when they are stolen so can no longer be released
As they never learned to survive properly in the wild
there have been agreements that limit the capture of wild animals, but that is limited to those that are endangered.
Sometimes a new species is collected and brought into zoos to start up a captive breeding programme to ensure the survival of the species
While not new to zoos
A bunch of panamanian golden frogs were captured and brought into the breeding program due to a fungal virus killing the wild population
The species is critically endangered
chitrid, yes..
nasty stuff..
Fungal infections are the main cause of modern amphibian extinctions
i used to keep poison dart frog, and many species of them are threatened in the wild due to that fungal pandemic.
some are extinct in their natural habitat.
Reptiles and amphibians seem to be good candidates for rereleases anyway
They are instinctually jumpy and skittish
there are "captive" breeding programs where frogs are released on controlled island eco systems, and these programs additionally breed for hobbyists to fund their effords, but they can only do so much.
And since frogs and lizards are often fed live insects they can still hunt for themselves too
some banana plantages also have a secondary function as frog breeding ground. a little extra money for doing the right thing..
One of the best courses of action though is to just protect their habitats
National parks and nature preserves
...the amazon rainforest can no longer be restored with our current knowledge.
rain has washed away most of the soil, as agriculture and wood harvesting crept deeper and deeper into the jungle, thus destroying important the circle of rain and evaporation that needs to happen several times for water to reach into the depths of the continent. trees are having symbiotic relationships with other trees and fungy, most of which we only scratched the surface of.
so.. really.. those poison dart frogs and everything they shared their habitats with is more or less screwed.
we can give them forests. mixed forests too.
but it will take ages for anything natural to form, and chances are very high it will never be the same as before.
maybe if we researched more into the inner workings of these forests.. but, really, all that research happens with very limited funds, as there is no profit to be had here. just.. the survival of 10% of all known species and humans in the area.
It makes it worse when a species is only known to inhabit one section of the jungle
The spix's macaw's old habitat is mostly gone
It's either the pied tamarin or the cotton top tamarin thats currently losing its small section of jungle
for poison dart frogs, a small river can seperate two distinct color morphs or sub species.
they are sometimes so close to each other they could hear each others calls, if the jungle was more silent.
and yet, that small barrier protects them from interbreeding. but it is easily skipped by chitrid.
some of them are living in tiny dots on maps..
*most
Other species worldwide have heavilt fragmented ranges
Lions, cheetahs, tigers, eurasian beavers, european bison (wisent)
Some of them are healing slightly
But the sad fact is they will never return to their once wider range
..cheetahs are notorious for being inbreed, so hard to say if they will bounce back in time.
The asiatic subspecies being in the worst scenario
Critically endangered
though isolated species can delevop resistences against inbreeding.. if they are given the time and chance.
To quote the lion king 2 "sometimes what's left behind can grow better than the generation before, if given the chance"
i mean.. some species changed significantly within a human's lifetime. evolution isnt always slow. but most species sadly do not reach adulthood within a year, and they are lower in numbers, so lack of diversity limits the chances of benefitical traits to develop. also, many species are so fragmented in their habitat that they are less likely to breed.
aanyway.. will do something productive for now. see you!
Cya
Let me click on enrichment items to shake/move them. Have animals that are satisfied and healthy react to that, encouraging them to play.
A feature which we can still observe on the animals which has been released to the wild.
Actually give the basegame animals access to the natural termite mound
Let me add invisible "points of interest" for the animals, that allow you to not only encourage animals to visit that spot more frequently than plain nothing, but also allow you to choose a basic animation or action the animal should do at that spot.
You can build heat lamps for your reptiles in the game, but they do not work. So being able to say "this spot is good. go here and [rest]" would be incredible.
Honestly
Love this
Another idea i would love
Cooler and heaters that look like natural rock or log formations
So they aren't this ugly metal vent making your mostly naturalistic habitat look hideous
Yes i know i can lower them underground or cover them with a rock
But I'd rather remember where i placed the cooler/heater so i can remove it if i swap species in the habitat
Id love the idea of the items being "heating rock" and "cooling tree"
Make them more expensive than the basic heaters and coolers
But
They have a wider radious than the basic ones
So you don't have to place so many
I have suggested this alot of times but Herbivores should be able to kill and injure Carnivores in Planet Zoo 2.
Yes
Elephants, rhinos, hippos, giraffes, buffalo, ostriches and zebras should be able to injure or kill lions, leopards and hyenas
A new patching system and where you can click and drag to make a habitat of any size also a indercator of now big the habitat will be
If you click on the habitat you can see the landspace
I was more thinking whilst you were building the habitat so you could the click and drag to rezise easily
A way to make custom patterns and logos like in animal crossing
Maybe like you can share the patterns too
Also like the old school doll makers but making a mascot lol that you can put on merch and plushies and stuff
Would be cool to have a museum also and be able to host night events or marathons and stuff like irl zoos do
I think the museum idea sounds good
Some zoos habe museum displays
Dublin zoo has the conservation/elephant museum
Where they have alot of stuff like taxidermy, skeletons and confiscated animal parts from poachers
Ya exactly : D little things for people to interact with and whatnot would be fun
I've seen like "conservation centres" too
Basically do it like the gift shop but for education
People actually interacting with some scenery and construction items would be a cool idea.
This might be too much but the ability to visit other zoos. Iād also like to see what how my adopted out animals are doing
Add the headless-like behaviours for the penguins.
You mean like falling in love with paper cutouts of penguin anime girls, trying to breed stones, trying to hatch stones, stealing each others eggs so you can have more or any at all, stealing each others nest material?
I think the mean this
...ah.
TIL, i learned penguin has headless-like behaviours.
Thanks to IDKSterling.
Increases the social group limit for Spotted Hyenas.
Decrease the social group limit for penguins and flamingoes
Lets all be real
Who is gonna have 500 flamingoes in their zoo?
Lower it to atleast 30
That seems reasonable
Oh wait, they already do it in-game. I thought Frontier will just ignored the detail, but they added it. That's a nice touch from Frontier.
Sandbox and Creativity, especially.
Even in sandbox they still cause lag issues
Ive tested it
More varied Guest opinions and comments on viewing animals.
small change: let me rotate the solar panel regardless of the orientation of its control panel. i want it to face the sun even if path layout favors its panel to be rotated a different way.
lol only if
Give sloth bear access to both termite mounds
Sloth bears irl feed on ants and termites alot
Also give aardvark, bonobo, western chimpanzee, chinese pangolin, lar gibbon, meetkat and siamang access to the natural termite mound
Black howler monkeys would be cool to see
aquariums there would be aquarium fences that you could use and make your own custom ones not set exhibits
I'm not sure if this counts as an unpopular opinion, but I actually want a planet zoo / planet coaster crossover so we have like real cool Safari's like they have at Busch Gardens.
I also second aquarium and bigger aquatics, I want for them to consider the limitations they have with this game, and build it into the core UI of the next game when we can have real birds, and underwater critters.
Wth do you mean real birds
The birds we have are birds
Birds/animals that fly around and aren't just like gifs, like walk through exhibits are.
All the animals are real species I'm not completely stupid. :P
I guess I should have said Rio Birds, like how they have parrots and birds that spend most of their life in the air or on the trees.
Scaling, path editing, more terrain options, better underwater viewing
Yeay just because something doesn't fly doesnt make it not a bird
A dragonfly isnt a bird yet it flies
Yes I know what a bird is
hes smarter than an ant
Larry
Touch pools for marine inverts would be a sick addition especially if they add in aquariums.