Limits question

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myst1cboomer
myst1cboomer10mo ago
where is this question
Comrade Rock Astley
What do you have so far?
myst1cboomer
myst1cboomer10mo ago
this question has a range but no defined value i think
Bhaumik_
Bhaumik_OP10mo ago
thats it i can think of the under root wala part but idk what do with the (-1)^n-1
Comrade Rock Astley
sqrt (n^2+0.5 n+1) = n sqrt(1+1/2n+1/n^2) and you can approximate it to n as n goes to infinity And since n is always a natural number sin (npi) is always 0 Should be 0 then
Bhaumik_
Bhaumik_OP10mo ago
the answer? the answer is -1/root2
Comrade Rock Astley
No not the answer ...I'll post after fully solving it one sec
Bhaumik_
Bhaumik_OP10mo ago
@Comrade Rock Astleythis is the solution , can u just explain waht happened in the first 3 steps?
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Bhaumik_
Bhaumik_OP10mo ago
first 2 , third toh is just rationalization
Comrade Rock Astley
There is one way to make that work sin(x-n pi) or sin (x+ n pi) can be written as (-1)^n sin (x) But then multiplying two oscillatory limits like that just looks wrong
Bhaumik_
Bhaumik_OP10mo ago
trigo equations?
Comrade Rock Astley
It's just sin(x-pi) = -(sinx) and sin(x-2pi) = sinx if you generalise that for natural numbers then sin (x- odd number times pi) = -sinx and sin(x - even number times pi) = sinx which is formally written as (-1)^n
Bhaumik_
Bhaumik_OP10mo ago
ahh ok got it
Comrade Rock Astley
I'm just very very skeptical about the second step
Bhaumik_
Bhaumik_OP10mo ago
yea same thats what bugged me out too
Comrade Rock Astley
I'll check if there's a way to solve without approximating like that It might change the value
Bhaumik_
Bhaumik_OP10mo ago
yes thats why i didnt wanna show the solution initially to get some different sort of approach from other people
Comrade Rock Astley
Because if you include the 1/2n term but not the 1/n^2 term, you get exactly -1/ sqrt 2
Bhaumik_
Bhaumik_OP10mo ago
neglecting the 1/2n and 1/n^2 in the denominator also gives -sinpi/4 tho?
TeXit
TeXit10mo ago
Comrade Rock Astley
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Comrade Rock Astley
Well in the second step I neglected every term except 1 previously which gives sin (n pi) times (-1)^n-1 which is 0 for natural numbers Did you try a different approach?
Bhaumik_
Bhaumik_OP10mo ago
i couldnt think of any
Comrade Rock Astley
How did you get -sin pi/4 then?
Bhaumik_
Bhaumik_OP10mo ago
no i said , looking at the solution i sent , in the last step if we neglect all the "n" wale terms , then we get -sinpi/4
Comrade Rock Astley
Yeah in the given solution you can cancel them because you're not multiplying by n later
Bhaumik_
Bhaumik_OP10mo ago
how did u get pi/4 in the last step here?
Comrade Rock Astley
but then they've multiplied an oscillating limit with another oscillating limit, I don't know how well that works If n is even you get -1 times 1/sqrt 2, if n is odd you get 1 times -1/sqrt 2
Bhaumik_
Bhaumik_OP10mo ago
no i mean it was (1 + 1/4n) , putting the limit at n to infinity , 1/4n should tend to zero right?
Comrade Rock Astley
You're also multiplying by n right after Which tends to infinity
Bhaumik_
Bhaumik_OP10mo ago
oh ok got it , this makes much more sense +solved @Comrade Rock Astley
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