Non-Steam games ignore Steam Input
When playing Non-Steam games, such as emulators or other games, the programs can still receive direct input from the connected controllers. This makes it impossible to use most games properly with a controller connected to a handheld, and all Steam overlays become a fun multitasking game with navigating both Steam and the game simultaneously.
Currently done on an ROG Ally running
bazzite-ally:39-stable-20240220, this was an issue on the bazzite-deck image as well before moving to the Ally31 Replies
I believe non-steam games uses the desktop layout on non deck hardware (steam thing) so you need to setup the desktop profile for the controller to use the gamepad template
This is done within gaming mode, where the games should have steam input, and they are definitely not using the desktop layout
Regardless, this same issue was also on deck hardware
Yes, if steam input is disabled, input leaks to the game in the background
However, if steam input is enabled, you shouldnt be getting double input
Unfortunate steam limitation
If you're getting something else we can discuss
It isn’t disabled though, I have the option to disable it in the controller settings. The guide button on my controller will open up both the emulator menu, and the Steam overlay.
I can grab a screen capture in a minute
Are you getting double input on the game?
Both from steam input and the controller?
Is steam input enabled?
You don't need screen capture, if steam input is disabled that is the expected behavior
It's unfortunate
Then with steam input on no gyro
I should stop answering help messages right after waking up, I completely missed the double input part, thanks @antheas 😅
It isn't a double input, it is as if it just isn't using Steam Input at all, but everything is supposed to be
Maybe it's disabled for that game and you didn't notice
Also Is this using the deck controller or a different controller?
I would say it does not make it impossible to use. I would more refer to it as a minor nuisance
Ally, good morning
Have some coffee
Lmao
I don't drink coffee but I'm starting to think I should lmao 🤣
Already had my first espresso shot
This used to be fine before, maybe it is a Steam bug, idk, but I am on the Stable Steam client and I would assume that a lot of people would be screaming about their emulators breaking
If it was fine before then it is a steam bug as we have no control over steam and steam input. And it looks like it's similar to how new BPM was in the beginning when people were forcing access to it on unsupported hardware early
Here is a video with it working with a Steam game, reassigning the controller order
If it is a Steam bug, that is fine. I just wanted to see if it was potentially something that came up with other changes, no worries.
Open the controller dialog ingame
Weird, worth a look
Only happens on the 8bit?
Or both
PPSSPP also sees this controller as Pad 2, even though Steam is supposed to change it to 1. The Ally controls are being read as Pad 3, even though there is only two devices here. The Ally controls appear to be caught by the Steam overlay though.
Mmmmm could be they're doing direct controller reads
With usb
wouldnt surprise me
emulationstation does the same
You know, that would make sense lol. I can try flashing Steam OS back on the deck and see if it handles it any differently.
steamos should be 1:1 with bazzite
and i suspect it will behave the same
especially since ppsspp sees 3 controllers
it sees both your controllers + steam input
I know it should be, but hey, I need to reimage this ssd anyway because I threw the one in my deck into the ally. Is flatpak able to block usb devices specifically using it's permissions? Granted, that is probably how steam input tries to do input, but it is worth poking around at probably.
check flatseal for that
Just paired a DualShock 4 and tried messing around with that, that appears to work fine, overlay stops input, but the built in controls are still stuck being Pad 1, but then switching the DS4 to 2 in the controller order makes the DS4 show up as Pad 1 and the built in controls are Pad 2?
yes indeed, removing the
device=all permission from ppsspp does prevent it from accessing all controllers
bah, it doesn't look like flatpak has any sort of usb device filtering so that sucks
Would be perfect to just only allow steam things, but whatever I guess. So I guess this isn't really a Bazzite issue really now, but just a general usb input thing. But then again, the built-in handheld controls not being able to be controlled properly is also not an ideal thing.
But thanks for the help with figuring out that hey it is more of a USB is funky with Steam input issue lol
I guess the Deck controls get away with it because the Deck controls aren't a traditional controllerit is a traditional usb device but steam input itself is what translates it into actual gamepad input i believe, as without it the deck will be in lizard mode.
I can look into that
There are some quirks with dualsense and emulating it
Whats the difference between the ally controller and a real dualsense?
Nobody supports the steam deck controller that's why
fair