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VALORANT11mo ago
Kona

Quick question regarding modding...

Is it bannable to make a Valorant mod that changes your UI? I specifically want to make some parts of the UI customizable through a mod like changing font, colours, etc. Would I be banned for this or is it alright to make something like this?
99 Replies
Steve
Steve11mo ago
I wouldn’t do it Also it’s not allowed
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
even if it doesn't modify the gameplay in any way?
Steve
Steve11mo ago
Yes I’m guessing vanguard would detect it anyways
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
how are apps like valorant tracker able to make plugins to show how many kills you got on each round, etc? would that not be allowed from what you just said?
Steve
Steve11mo ago
It doesn’t modify the game It shows an overlay above the game
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
mmm so overlays are fine but modding the files isn't?
Steve
Steve11mo ago
Overlays are also questionable but yeah
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
ok thanks
Steve
Steve11mo ago
Those are completely different thing btw One runs a code alongside one changes the game
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
i might test with modding the visual files a bit on an alt but i'll try to find a workaround for what i want to do thank you
Steve
Steve11mo ago
Do be careful, cause vanguard might ban you for running something else
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
does vanguard ip ban or just account ban?
Steve
Steve11mo ago
Sometimes account sometimes hwid Hwid is much harder to bypass then IP bans
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
i won't be running realtime mod software, just something that modifies the files before the game starts i'll be careful though
Steve
Steve11mo ago
Yeah I’m guessng vanguard would check the integrity of the game files before allowing it to run but good luck! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
thx
Acht
Acht11mo ago
the reason overlays arent banned cuz it doesnt interfere with the game client or literally anything there, it just takes api from valorant itself so its very legal (except for some trackers)
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
i submitted a ticket to riot to ask them just in case
Steve
Steve11mo ago
Yeha that’s a good idea
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
ic... i mean the stuff that im trying to do is basically like the custom skins in league/valorant. just modify a few visuals that only affect me and do not mess with the gameplay or give me an unfair advantage at all
Acht
Acht11mo ago
uhh if your gonna change the actual skins of the guns/characters im pretty sure its illegal
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
no, just UI elements like tab menu, voice chat icons, etc
Acht
Acht11mo ago
uhh ig you could try but vanguard wud block it
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
i'll just send in a ticket better to ask the people who know then to guess and be banned
Steve
Steve11mo ago
Yeah
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
do you want to be kept updated with any responses they send back? @stevethesteve1400 @achtt
Steve
Steve11mo ago
Sure I would love to be updated on the issue
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
👍
Acht
Acht11mo ago
alr
OsWaynZz
OsWaynZz11mo ago
Because they have a contrat with riot, before trzcker was bannable
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
mmmmm
Geniux
Geniux11mo ago
you will be banned when modifying the games files. it will be for 3rd party software, so the active account will be perma banned and youll get a 4 months hardware id ban
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
@achtt @stevethesteve1400 the people at support said that modifying the files are against ToS (3.2) and i asked them a few questions like why is KillerSkins com allowed to modify riot ip and not be subject to a lawsuit, and i also asked about any licenses/contracts they can give out to allow modification to game files. i couldn't get those questions answered as they were confidential but they told me to reach out to a discord dev channel. any idea what they meant by that?
OsWaynZz
OsWaynZz11mo ago
you can maybe ask to the support on the server maybe they know
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
how would i contact them? dms?
OsWaynZz
OsWaynZz11mo ago
@zokona @Modmail
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
alr thanks
OsWaynZz
OsWaynZz11mo ago
@zokona if they dont know ask in ticket
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
i asked them these questions in the riot support ticket on the website
OsWaynZz
OsWaynZz11mo ago
yep but ask them what is the discord they talk about
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
i did but haven't gotten a response yet
OsWaynZz
OsWaynZz11mo ago
oh okay
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
sent a message through modmail and am now awaiting a response ok so they said that i need to send in a ticket through riot support for riot related issues.... infinite loop of passing on responsibility
deli
deli11mo ago
your not allowed to touchy the game files the game just instantly replaces them i think also probly ban
OsWaynZz
OsWaynZz11mo ago
@klyphs Did you say the guy told you to come and ask on discord ?
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
he talked about a "discord dev channel" but didnt clarify on where to find it
mythea
mythea11mo ago
are u dev? no, so where can u find it? no where
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
.... that is why i am asking about it to confirm
mythea
mythea11mo ago
this discord has nothing to do with riot sure, there's riot employees but that's not their job to answer questions here, it's all their free tine
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
yeah. i sent in a ticket, i was told it isn't affiliated with riot, and am now waiting for a response from my support ticket
mythea
mythea11mo ago
then why are u here, the only way is to ask through support ticket, that's the only way also tracker or whatever doesn't modify the gamefiles
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
read my messages first please go to the top and read to get context
mythea
mythea11mo ago
I'm sure that won't be allowed tho in every game that has to met anticheat expectations
OsWaynZz
OsWaynZz11mo ago
@mythea read before talking bro the support ask him to come in the discord but they didnt qay which discord he ask them but they didnt respond yet so he ask here if anyone have a clue
mythea
mythea11mo ago
I'm pretty sure support won't ask u to ask in discord...
OsWaynZz
OsWaynZz11mo ago
. This is why he is asking here if anyone have clue, while he is waiting for a real answer
mythea
mythea11mo ago
common sense, no 1. ip 2. file integrity (checksum and 3. security reasons
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
i will still wait for an answer from the support ticket
OsWaynZz
OsWaynZz11mo ago
@mythea just step out if you dont want to help
mythea
mythea11mo ago
didn't they already answer u it's against the tos the whole thread has no point, the answer is a sure NO and he already said "support said that modifying game files are against tos 3.2 blah blah"
OsWaynZz
OsWaynZz11mo ago
@mythea read those f*cking line at the end of the text, they said contact discord
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
they said "against the tos" but didnt specify what part. i asked about 3.2 but they were vague and didnt give a direct answer. 3.2 also talks about licenses/contracts for the creation and non-commercial distribution of modified riot ip
OsWaynZz
OsWaynZz11mo ago
We dont care about that
mythea
mythea11mo ago
goodluck finding out lmao
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
thx
OsWaynZz
OsWaynZz11mo ago
@mythea that why like we are saying 20 minute that he asked here the time they respond but thank gor your help
mythea
mythea11mo ago
it's illegal in law, and either in security reasons, no matter what type of files, remember u already accepted the tos not to modify, decompile or whatever the game files I'm sure that's part of the tos for literally every closed source software also they may face weakened rights to their ip if they allow someone to do that without proper clarification
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
3.1 talks about selling Riot Services like their code: "Unless otherwise expressly authorized by us in a signed written contract, you may not sell, copy, exchange, loan, reverse engineer, decompile, derive source code from, translate, lease, grant a security interest in, transfer, publish, assign or otherwise distribute any of the Riot Services or any of Riot Games’ intellectual property, including any of our computer code or Virtual Content." 3.2 talks about modifying Riot Services: "You also agree that unless we grant you a license, in a written contract signed by us, you may never use any of our trademarks, service marks, trade names, logos, domain names, taglines, or trade dress. Any reproduction, redistribution, or modification of the Riot Services, or use of the Riot Services not in accordance with these Terms, is expressly prohibited and may result in severe civil and/or criminal penalties." this is why i am not only asking about the legal implications of modifying but also asking about how to obtain a license for doing this stuff im talking about "modify" in a loose term. i am not modifying anything like weapon skins and agents, i am talking about modifying small things that every game has like tab menu, font, soounds, etc.
mythea
mythea11mo ago
unless u are part of some business, organization whose professional, or they're going to make changes to them also what's ur purposes
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
i want to make the game a bit more customizable for myself, and possibly for others (not a paid service) that does not impede gameplay, violate rules, or give anyone an unfair advantage sort of like the custom discord clients it is only client side but lets someone feel more comfortable using a service
mythea
mythea11mo ago
custom discord clients are illegal, and discord already stated users can get banned by using them, also they never granted permission to someone else to modify they just don't care
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
it could also be a way to help people with visual disabilities like color blindness, low contrast, etc.
mythea
mythea11mo ago
riot is very serious in protection to their ip, some apps to let u view ur skins had already got taken down from stores
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
yeah, it's against ToS of discord but they don't care since it doesn't effect anyone but the person using it. i want to know if Riot has the same mentality or if I would need something like a license and explicit permission from them to attempt this
mythea
mythea11mo ago
vshop for example
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
a tab menu that says a players name and their stats isnt IP nearly every single game under the same genre as valorant has one i don't want to modify riot IP, just the ambiguous parts that literally anyone can use for themselves
mythea
mythea11mo ago
ugh discord is just a browser, there's little to no harm tho, and it's pointless to take action about them, at worst can bring them decrease in user amount, that's why they don't care it's not comparable to ips like that
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
so why would riot care if i change the font of some text? or change a sound
mythea
mythea11mo ago
sounds or voicelines as u noted early are ips
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
im not creating skins for weapons or agents
mythea
mythea11mo ago
font isn't a part of ip if that's not their own font
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
so yeah, i want to know about modifying files that are not their ip
mythea
mythea11mo ago
I don't think they will allow u to do so, even it's not an ip, it's kind of "modifying riot services" and breaks the file integrity
OsWaynZz
OsWaynZz11mo ago
@mythea vshop and app store got banned from app store because they are scam they collect your date/sell your riot account, some are still on app store because they always come back and it take sometime to ban them
mythea
mythea11mo ago
no? the vshop owner received a mail about that also vshop is safe, rated by the community, and I remember vshop was open source
OsWaynZz
OsWaynZz11mo ago
@mythea yes they did, if not they go ask to those people who lost all there account
mythea
mythea11mo ago
on github, however it seems that it had been taken down
OsWaynZz
OsWaynZz11mo ago
Open ? 4.6 yeah cool but did you even look at the comment ? Last 4 month on the app there is a ton of bot boosting note and there was 50% where they said got hack, also the problem is already know by everyone
mythea
mythea11mo ago
huh, vshop discontinued months ago because of the ip claim from riot
OsWaynZz
OsWaynZz11mo ago
If you want then Your right bye have a nice night
mythea
mythea11mo ago
No description
mythea
mythea11mo ago
ah wait yeah, it's still there just different account from the website fontend ones
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
@OsWaynZz @mythea just got a response and an invite to a 3rd party modding discord which is the dev channel they were talking about!
mythea
mythea11mo ago
u are good then
Acht
Acht11mo ago
🤔 y is it 3rd party though?
Steve
Steve11mo ago
Woh can I get an invite too
OsWaynZz
OsWaynZz11mo ago
@achtt 3rd party many some much thing so yeah it is but not the bad 3rd party @zokona cool for you then, but im curious what does they speak about on the server ?
Kona
KonaOP11mo ago
they mainly talk about modding for games from riot and discuss api, problems, ideas, etc not run by riot employees but at least they know more than the support ticket it says that unless you are interested in developing apps/mods for riot's games, then you should join the server. here is the invite if it does interest you tho: https://discord. com/invite/ riotgamesdevrel remove spaces obv since i cant send links
Steve
Steve11mo ago
Thanks
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