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consider opening a forum on discourse · ublue-os · Discussion #260
https://www.discourse.org/ and open a text channel on discord so members can ask questions and help each other
I'm leaning to yes and move away from github discussions, it's just way dead compared to how it should be
and then we could put more "liquid" data there so we can get nick more help for getting stuff out of #bazzite on the web
cc @nickname on this one
and it's probably easier to publish the newsletters in there, and set them all as wiki's
plus this discord forum feature doesn't appear to be working for us.
If it makes stuff easier to parse I'd say go for it. For me atleast I don't really like posting on github as i think of it as more 'dev' focused but thats just me.
yeah
plus we need a cool async place to hang out
and like, it'd be nicer to get screenshot threads going, etc.
Yeah, for a lot of people I think it would make more sense
ok I'm going to make one now. 😄
I am confident we'll get accepted anyway
I like the idea especially if it's formatted like a wiki
it's invite only (tried loggin in with github account)
although you probably are setting it up rn
I am
let me fix that (pm me your email though so I can get you going)
I basically copied the raw markdown from the website repo and other than fixing the youtube url it worked perfectly if you wanna try doing #2
though if you could try github login again that would be useful
ok
i can do that
nah invite only error. i PM'd my email... this github was made as a throwaway so it's kind of weird lol
oh, I need to change the plan to make the site public, which means I need to contact support
oh
but it says invite sent
take your time it's all good
oh ok
oh check now!
i just made a discourse account lol
but ok
it logged me in so i guess it's good
ok so im seeing how this works
so just the buzzes? not the 1.0/2.0 announcements and documentation correct?
all of it eventually I think
announcements should be a tag I think
it is
you have the permissions to create them on the fly
okay cool. im editing the bazzite category about right now
yeah it's all markdown so I am copying and pasting liberally
I think this will long term instead of doing a faq by hand, you can just post one per thread
and then the site will order the faq based on traffic/interest anyway
that's a pretty good idea because the current documentation is way too big lol
yeah it's becoming a huge page
I'm going to go to bed, but I can help doing the faq tomorrow, and we can just all hit it up and get a ton done
good night!
oh
when you backfill
go oldest to newest so everything goes in order
otherwise it'll be all confusing for new users
then once we have all the major stuff in there at least we'll have a bunch of stuff in there
alright
ok their support is mostly around on monday so we'll have to wait
no problem
i think this move is going to give us more visibility to our users than the current setup anyways
https://github.com/ublue-os/website/pull/654/files
i organized the FAQ doc by category
so when it comes time to migrate the docs to the discourse to serve as a wiki, each category can be its own separate thread
Basically they're in order by:
- general
- installation
- installing and managing software
- updates, rollbacks, and rebasing
- steam deck image specific questions
btw making these newsletter a wiki isnt going to allow anyone to edit them right?
the way it works is the higher level folks can, but in order to level up you need to earn community trust. It's a cool system I can go into more detail later
Discourse
Understanding Discourse Trust Levels
The user trust system is a fundamental cornerstone of Discourse. Trust levels are a way of…
i added the docs
FAQ is no longer 1 giant page
oh awesome!
we should be set to go on monday then!
I have all week off so I can work on this for a bit
the bazzite buzzes look so good!
thanks!
ok check the docs section
anything we tag with documentation will show up there
oh dang this is awesome
whoa
i like that
I did just and a few others
dang we got most of it!
we need to fix interconnecting links though
that will take time but will be easier with more people
i tried to fix some
idk if i got them all though
this is gonna be so good
click on the wrench in the bazzite category
so you can upload the artwork
so each one has one
ok!
where is background image?
i uploaded the icon one and see that
I don't have one either
lol well it's there if it ever works
oh nice! I'm thinking we can pin the latest bazzite buzz until the next one comes out, so it's always on top
that sounds good
oh no that background image lol
https://universal-blue.org/blog/2023/11/08/bazzite-20/
do you think announcements should be somewhere or should be on the site only
Bazzite 2.0 - Universal Blue
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oh yeah
yeah let's add em
ok
yeah the 2.0 image i guess isn't as transparent as i thought it was
weird
it looks fine on the website
OH
THAT
ill remove that lol
my eyes ... exploded.
looool idk why that didnt show up for me
should be fixed
should these announcements be under "documentation" or should i create a new tag?
actually docs sounds right
wait nvm it prob should be under a new tag called announcements
yep
hey is discourse going to public? or do you have to make an account/login even to view the forum/docs?
i know currently it's invite-only because we have to wait on support monday and are setting it up
we have to wait until monday to both make it open and let people join
tldr I chose the wrong plan, we're on the private small business plan, not the open forum one
but they got a hold of me, we just gotta wait one more day
on the plus side, we'll have lots of content
okay no problem! i get it now. i didnt want to link stuff on the bazzite github readme and require anyone to sign in
but now that it's not like that at all, then it's all good
yeah
it'll be fully open
and probably when we move a bunch of stuff off the site we can just have the forum as a tab on the top
After Monday I'm going to edit the README for Bazzite to link to the new Discourse wiki to replace the website links for installation and docs. I also might be thinking of replacing the Bazzite Portal website link with either the documentation or just the general category in the forum
excited for tomorrow 😄
about to go to bed but the discourse documentation should be all ready for the migration to discourse tomorrow
ok they responded, it takes 1-3 days for the oss program to accept our application.
i guess ill double check everything then lol
who knows maybe we're in the front of the line
(or the back lol)
the bazzite documentation, newsletters, and feedback forum are all migrated properly from the website, and im pretty sure all of the links should now link to the discourse docs instead of the website
could be 2 more days before it's open to the public, but at least i feel like it's in good shape
i also am going to make changes to bazzite's README to link to the new docs with these reminders, yes ik im basically using a markdown tool for reminders for later instead of forking it but this works for me because ill remember this
https://hackmd.io/C-_b6Ve6QDaxho7asTKUvA
ok try it again
got the email!
oh lol they messed up the url
pinging them again
we need to leave this text like this so it fill in the description
ok I think we're ready for your bazzite #8. 😄
Yeah i can later, some stuff came up i will be on to finish the newsletter later tonight and submit it to the discourse
will also fix bazzites readme to link everything to the new documentation
ok I'll add some things to the hackmd
actually I'll add it to the template
sorry for the @'s in advance:
@j0rge @EyeCantCU @KyleGospo
That survey I linked on the last 2 newsletters received 58 views & 22 submissions. Here are the results, you can download this and view it in spreadsheet software if you'd like, but it might embed the results anyways. I am closing this since the new feedback forum on Discourse is preferred now. I am going to upload the new Bazzite Buzz post in about 15 minutes after proofreading it too.
but basically most popular answers:
Feedback:
oh yeah some of the feedback is now fixed
redroid is a no
nvidia can play ball on wayland/we can wait for NVK
leave that to the end user
agreed on warning, would love to do that
but also hope we're stable enough now that a change like that doesn't happen again
https://github.com/ublue-os/website/pull/659
https://github.com/ublue-os/website/pull/658
I need these two pls
Got ya 🙂
Project moves too fast? That's a bad thing?
By the way, really appreciate this. Will be sure to give it all a good look
Ideally, we'd have Bazzite images and Deck images and be able to take care of all hardware compatibility there but that's a challenge. Kernel Fsync may solve that
according to 1 user
asking for less images is like "I wish there were less laptops"
me too!
Lmao
Also it isn't like it's a too horrible thing because hwcompat isn't that bad
it's not a downside at all
it's a concern from someone who probably thinks these images are maintained like any other linux distro
and requires a bunch of maintenance for each image individually
yeah they think we go image to image fixing things instead of a matrix
Nah. All build at once. Any improvements upstream, we get downstream. Little maintenance needed outside of setup
maybe addressing some of the questions in that thread might be a good idea and get people engaged?
Buzz 7.5?
nah this thread - https://universal-blue.discourse.group/t/bazzite-suggestions-feedback-survey-results/53/1
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it used to be on the github discussions with 2 posts
or might still be i didnt check if that is gone or what
it's in base
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oh nice so we're still keeping that?
no I unlinked it
I'll turn them off in a bit to give people a chance
ah shoot
just realized when i linked all the new documentation before discourse went public that it linked the old closed one
gotta fix the docs now lol
ok we good now
I've got all your website fixes in
let's save removing the stuff for later
sounds good to me
instead we'll concentrate on adding stuff
so like ... everyone post their screenshots. 😄
btw
https://github.com/ublue-os/bazzite/pull/521
next release kyle/rj, please link the new FAQ: https://universal-blue.discourse.group/docs?topic=33
and installation doc: https://universal-blue.discourse.group/docs?topic=30
bah I was messing with the theme and removed the bazzite logo. Anyone have one?
the one without words, just the pillpad thing
i have it
fixed
I promise to not touch theme things again lol
loool
ok I've started to remove the info from website
in the bazzite portal, should i have the button say "Forums" and link the Discourse Bazzite category like it is now or should i change it to "Documentation" and link the documentation on Discourse?
Why not both?
yeah i can do both, but it does require the user to scroll at a lower resolution like 1280x800 😄
small thing i know, maybe both will be fine
I'd just do it like "Bazzite Community" as one link and once they get to the bazzite section it'll be fine
I ran into this yesterday when updating bluefin docs, I just kinda consolidated it all under "community"
oh boy i might have to revert that commit later when im back home
which one
My recent one for bazzite. I added documentation above forums
ok so you want me to mark it as draft?
nah not that one
it's already merged in bazzite's repo
heh just realized someting
so yeah the documentation button takes up enough space where the user has to scroll a tiny bit more to see the full "reboot now" button, but i also realized if you don't install a web browser in the portal, then it can't open those links until the system reboots anyways because flatpak firefox doesnt install until the 2nd boot as part of the flatpak manager that preinstalls the appropriate flatpaks
Should install first on first boot
So long as there's internet
Temporary problem anyway since flatpak in the installer is being worked on
i was trying this on the VM, but i also went thru the bazzite portal by checking 0 things
ok
np should i still keep documentation or just have 1 button point to discourse?
eh ill just keep it as is i guess
It just takes a bit. Should work first boot (at least it does for me)
The fact that it worked for you on second reboot is a great thing though, it needs the failover actually works great
And it will indeed keep retrying until it can complete
yeah i opened a VM quickly on my laptop (bluefin btw) and did a speedrun of the portal to see the last page
didnt install anything, so it was just next-->next-->next-->last page
def didnt give it time to do that
It's a shame we can't just have Flatpak Firefox be there without monstrous image sizes
If it isn't already, should definitely go at the top of the install list so it gets taken care of first
it's at the top
yeah the minute we can get that flatpak feature
it's in lol
exciting stuff
last thing: i PR'd to add a notice to the old documentation that we're moving to discourse. i probably should have forked the website repo and only made 1 PR, but i ended up doing it kind of sloppy with each document (sorry.) i know these old docs will be removed soon, but for now users should be aware it's moving if they find themselves there from the latest release's description. docs should be in a good spot overall over there.
it's all good, I'll take a look when I can
thanks
i will post the next buzz when the new ISO release is out
https://hackmd.io/C-_b6Ve6QDaxho7asTKUvA?view
and when the new ISOs are out, then this should be merged to remove the old documentation from the universal blue website: https://github.com/ublue-os/website/pull/662
I'll be ready!
🫡 yea and obviously no rush for any of this. I wanted to show that im doing the buzz still cuz it's been a white. It seems like a lot of note worthy changes are in the works 🙂
I've been slammed at work so I'm in a time dilation device anyway
not a big deal but kyle you linked the website for the FAQ and installation as opposed to the Discourse documentation 😅. i was going to remove the website documentation since it's a mess in comparison to the new ones on Discourse. i know this project demands a lot of maintenance and support, and we have a lot of people using the bazzite images, so i understand completely so dont worry about it
I copy+pasted from the last release
lol yeah thats fine
my bad lol
give me the links you want I'll change them
ill keep the website docs up until next time
ok
I need to post to discourse anyway
installation guide - https://universal-blue.discourse.group/docs?topic=30
FAQ - https://universal-blue.discourse.group/docs?topic=33
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Done
Thanks!
im nearly finished with the buzz
Love the title card, that looks great
Thanks!
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https://beehaw.org/comment/1869118
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I always come back and look at what's new here
https://lemmy.sdf.org/search?q=bazzite&type=Comments&listingType=All&page=1&sort=New
oh wow that's really handy
@KyleGospo you owe me a discourse status report on bazzite. 😄
sitting in the same bar we hung out with
I got kinda drunk with this nvidia guy
they have an nvidia ugly christmas sweater, I should have taken a picture lol
Nickname beat me to it but I'm gonna start announcing new features there
Hah that's sick
yeah so I'm thinking, trickle status reports more often and be more agile, that'll get more people engaged
that way we don't need to feel the pressure about doing a huge roll up every few weeks
tldr, just translate the github commits for users, and they'll end up asking more questions and that's better engagement overall
Sounds good to me
ok, get the pics that we tweeted in there too, in hindsight we should be putting our content on our discourse first since we own it
and then linking from social
On it, the frame limit and refresh rate issue is all fixed, we beat everyone else to full support
Big W for the team
Not one missing feature
❤️
shared on social, nice work on the issue @nickname !
no problem!
Yeah thank you, can't believe how fast you got that up
it caught me off guard, ngl!
i was working on it since the last one lol
❤️ great job!
rereading the buzz this morning while waiting at the airport and the person next to me is like "dude our people at work don't make changelogs this good" lol
https://youtu.be/ICkuC1zR250?feature=shared&t=285
wow my newsletter made a youtube video lol
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linked to the bazzite buzz section
i feel the documentation on discourse is in a really good place right now. whenever someone has time and wants to review this to remove the documentation from the website since it's very outdated, has grammatical errors, and is not very organized
https://github.com/ublue-os/website/pull/662
oh hell yeah
BYE!
nice work!
Thanks!
moved over the user's guide, PR to remove it from website in your inbox
done
i've been thinking about adding other popular images as a Discourse category, especially if the maintainers are already active in this discord. I know anyone can make their own custom image and I'm not sure what qualifies as "official" enough to become its own Discourse category like the "main/nvidia" images, Bazzite, Bluefin, and ucore.
for example, the secureblue image has documentation already for pre-installing it on the github page: https://github.com/secureblue/secureblue/blob/live/PREINSTALL-README.md Obviously, if everyone who is fine with this, it is also up to the RoyalOughtness if they would like their documentation on Discourse as well. I never spoke to them about this beforehand. I feel like the goal, while a personal image for the user of course, is also specialized enough to have its own dedicated category. i also always come back to this list - https://github.com/ublue-os/awesome-custom-images i have been thinking of linking this somewhere on the general discourse forum to try and get more eyes on it too
for example, the secureblue image has documentation already for pre-installing it on the github page: https://github.com/secureblue/secureblue/blob/live/PREINSTALL-README.md Obviously, if everyone who is fine with this, it is also up to the RoyalOughtness if they would like their documentation on Discourse as well. I never spoke to them about this beforehand. I feel like the goal, while a personal image for the user of course, is also specialized enough to have its own dedicated category. i also always come back to this list - https://github.com/ublue-os/awesome-custom-images i have been thinking of linking this somewhere on the general discourse forum to try and get more eyes on it too
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either tonight or the next day i will link the documentation on the Bazzite README to include other important documentation (updates/rollbacks/rebasing, installing and managing applications, etc.), and i would like to move where the newsletter link is located there too if that is fine
I think we shouldn't do that. Like, part of our goal is to make sure people can source what they get, I don't want to have to check on these things. So I lean more towards, let people talk about them, but it's not an official thing. That's the reason we don't have a section on the fedora forums. Keeping it layered so it's more clear what the relationship between the downstream and upstream are.
But I think we should move the custom image list from github into the forum so people can see it and add their own, that would be really useful I thinik
lol i didnt actually understand anyone can contribute to the wiki pages, just admins/mods. good to know
yep
https://meta.discourse.org/t/discotoc-automatic-table-of-contents/111143
this looks interesting. idk if any of the documentation needs this at this point since they're relatively short
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installed it
oh thanks!
want it on the right or left?
i think right is fine
this is a nice improvement!
Year in review email is cool
yeah what a cool feature
not exactly discourse related but readme question about bazzite:
would this be better than what we currently have?
or too many bullet points already 😆
we can never overlink
ok
Oh and sorry i didn't do much with the buzz earlier. I think later i will work on some of it. There's a lot of noteworthy features and fixes in
:testing right now
Dont merge this pr yet btw, when im on the computer later im goimg to turn into a draft and bring back the words instead of the list
ok now it's fine
maybeoh yeah jorge! i noticed the old installation guide still shows up when you search "bazzite" on duckduckgo. should we delete these bazzite files or not worry about it since it does show this right at the top
oh lol i even said this page will be removed soon but i never actually did that
burn it all down!
i will
@HikariKnight adding you here too! i started the automount drive draft
https://hackmd.io/onLI9QsTT2qzMPhrbmsxQQ?view
i need to figure this out myself properly anyways
i will probably have a look and write some stuff when i get home from my mom, she needs help clearing some snow off her car and trailer, bit hard for her to do it when she is handicapped and its almost 1 foot of snow (yes as a norwegian who does not use feet for measuring i know roughly what 1 foot is 🤣 )
No problem take your time! There's not much to go on right now. Another user asked how to auto-mount their ntfs secondary on boot, so i made that doc in 2 minutes lol
Also i will have the next buzz done by friday
kde partition manager:
btrfs
note about compression: 3 is a good balance, older cpus should use 1
note about subvolumes: use
subvol=name as an option, kde and i believe also gnome disks let you only mount 1 subvolume through the gui, you can mount the root with subvol=/ if a default subvolume is configured in the filesystem
- Users can mount and unmount is optional
ext4
NTFS
warning: formating a drive does not remove it from
/etc/fstab, so the nofail option is a must in all these guides to avoid issues with "unable to boot" from people
NOTE: device node is /dev/sdXy so avoid using that in the guide
once the selected partition has been configured to be mounted, click refresh disks and then right click on the partition and select mount to test the mount.Thanks for this!
i will credit you on the documentation when it's ready
np, should be easy to translate into a guide and for gnome disks
yup i know how to use gnome disks way more than kde partition manager for auto-mounting drives! might not be done tonight because i want to focus on the buzz for tomorrow's update
honestly i might not even both with NTFS...
i know there's usecases for this and people dual boot and share drives, but there's a lot of new users coming from windows with their games on NTFS drives
lots of issues
make big disclaimer with watermark on images NOT FOR GAME DISKS, USE BTRFS/EXT4
alright lol
i guess that's fair
there is a usecase for non game disks
yeah i know
alright ill add that
this will be finished sometime tomorrow! i still need to add to it, but if anyone wanted to see what it's looked like now then feel free: https://hackmd.io/GAJed3eUTzihbp6jdCm_qQ?both
i will see if i can get you an updated ujust image before the images land after work, gotta head to work now
want help with this one so it goes out when 2.2 goes out?
@nickname
kinda wish there was a way to just align all the descriptions or hide all the optional args
but look, list so small now compared to before 🤣
konsole version
If you want, sure. I gotta shovel right now
heh
Thanks ill add this
almost done with the buzz. a couple of goals i have for next week:
- general guide on auto-mounting drives with the 2 desktop environment GUIs, systemd.mount, and editing fstab
- documentation will include more images (but not too much)
- documentation on how to reinstall windows lol
talking about the other handhelds is hard when i dont own them lol
one caveat we got to learn today with the guis
* do not set up automount, unmount then format a drive (it can confuse the gui), remove the automount first before formatting
since i am currently weathering a storm and cant do much, i am currently looking at this and editing in some kde instructions while waiting for a friend
there should be enough for you to use for the gnome-disk version there now 🙂
idk how we would properly word the fstab version though
alright i guess ill finally start doing this now
thanks for this by the way, i didnt finish the gnome disks method yet. there's a lot to mounting disks that i never even thought about before reading your instructions. we'll get this done soon though!!
yeah you can mount without any options but but rather do sane defaults, the lines i put in for each filesystem is the same for each method (gnome-disk, kde partition manager, fstab. systemd)
idk if gnome-disk automatically converts the extra options into the gui checkboxes, but i know kde partition manager does that
looks like this
i will not recommend users to mount secondary drives in home tho
why not?
i thought making a directory in
/mnt/ was a better option because that's kind of a "standard" sort of
and if their home was ever blown away they can accidentally take their drive with them too lol
but on the other hand, /mnt requires the user to make a directory with permissions so maybe noti would consider mounting drives into $HOME to be more for more advanced users (with some familiarity with linux, not people who just started lets say last week) due to what nick said and because they can accidentally run rm -rf on something by accident
and the guide we are putting together is just a best practices to get familiar
https://gitlab.com/evlaV/jupiter-hw-support/-/blob/master/usr/lib/udev/rules.d/99-steamos-automount.rules?ref_type=heads
found this, and im sure kyle and maybe others have seen this because it's part of the evlav project but interesting how this is how valve handles automounting drives
yup, that's in bazzite-deck