C#•2y ago

❔ ✅ Trying to understand HID device response data

I have a wireless mouse that I'm trying to make my own software for. So far, it has been quite straightforward, and I have made most of the functions work as in the original software, but I can't seem to understand the format of the battery percentage response, or how it's converted to the numbers that the original software then shows.

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VеrsetteOP•2y ago

This is the data that I'm getting Initially, I thought that the bytes that change were the battery percentage, but that doesn't seem accurate, as they are different from the displayed number in the original software What kind of conversion could be done with this data to get the right values?

Alan Tas 𓆏•2y ago

With only these values is hard to know for sure, looking at 76%, 78%, 80% and 82%, that go up by two while the hex only goes up by one, makes me think the mouse doesn't report every single battery status value. Maybe with more values, specially having what represents 100%, this could be easier to guess

VеrsetteOP•2y ago

I was thinking the same... I will wait until it discharges until ~20%, get the data, and then charge and get the data of 100%

JakenVeina•2y ago

my only thought is that maybe it's a 7-bit scale? 0 to 127? even that doesn't quite line up with what you're seeing, but it's kinda close

VеrsetteOP•2y ago

I figured it out!

            int batteryPercentage;
            if (resultValue > 85)
                batteryPercentage = (resultValue - 85) * 30 / 15 + 60;
            else
                batteryPercentage = resultValue * 60 / 85;

            int batteryPercentage;
            if (resultValue > 85)
                batteryPercentage = (resultValue - 85) * 30 / 15 + 60;
            else
                batteryPercentage = resultValue * 60 / 85;

Not sure why they would do it like this, but I got many other questions about their software anyway... Thanks for trying to help, I also haven't expected it to be this weird

Jester•2y ago

im interested in how you are directly communicating with a mouse, how did you do that?

VеrsetteOP•2y ago

I'm really sorry for not answering earlier, I didn't get a notification of your message... I sort of reverse engineered the original program, to be able to understand how it works and requests/sends data to and from the mouse. I found that the original program was using a pretty common HID library for communication, https://github.com/libusb/hidapi, and that the command and response byte arrays always were 65 bytes long (requirement of the mouse, I think). First I send the command with hid_send_feature_report, then I wait 70ms for the mouse to process everything and prepare a response (it's possible to use a lower value, but I found that it works best with about 70ms), and then I get the answer with hid_get_feature_report

    private byte[] SendCommand(byte[] commandBytes)
    {
        if (commandBytes.Length != 65)
            throw new ArgumentException("Wrong command length. Array has to be 65 bytes long.");

        _hidMouseDevice.WriteFeatureData(commandBytes);
        Thread.Sleep(70);
        _hidMouseDevice.ReadFeatureData(out var result);

        if (result == null || result.Length == 0)
            throw new Exception("Received empty response. Likely wrong device or the mouse didn't respond.");
        if (result[1] != 0xA1)
            throw new Exception("Received empty response. Maybe transferring data too quickly...");

        return result;
    }

    private byte[] SendCommand(byte[] commandBytes)
    {
        if (commandBytes.Length != 65)
            throw new ArgumentException("Wrong command length. Array has to be 65 bytes long.");

        _hidMouseDevice.WriteFeatureData(commandBytes);
        Thread.Sleep(70);
        _hidMouseDevice.ReadFeatureData(out var result);

        if (result == null || result.Length == 0)
            throw new Exception("Received empty response. Likely wrong device or the mouse didn't respond.");
        if (result[1] != 0xA1)
            throw new Exception("Received empty response. Maybe transferring data too quickly...");

        return result;
    }

VеrsetteOP•2y ago

For testing, I'm using https://github.com/mikeobrien/HidLibrary (that's why the function names are different, I had some issues with my hidapi wrapper that I am too lazy to fix for now), but I will switch back to hidapi after I get everything working and port to Avalonia UI for cross platform compatibility

GitHub

GitHub - mikeobrien/HidLibrary: This library enables you to enumera...

This library enables you to enumerate and communicate with Hid compatible USB devices in .NET. - GitHub - mikeobrien/HidLibrary: This library enables you to enumerate and communicate with Hid compa...

Jester•2y ago

nice, ill take a look

Accord•2y ago

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Jester•2y ago

@V3rzеT thank you so much to tell me about https://github.com/libusb/hidapi. now i can use my little drawing tablet without the bloated shitty drivers! it only sends 10 bytes at a time and it was pretty easy to figure out what each byte means peepoHappyHug

Buddy•2y ago

You can also use this, https://freeusbanalyzer.com/ But very much uncertain how well it works. It's made by the same people who made Hex Editor Neo

Jester•2y ago

i can use my pen as a mouse now, not much but its something. nor does it work perfectly it worked yesterday but it doesnt today Shrugeg

VеrsetteOP•2y ago

Are you still getting the same data output from it? I have had an issue with there being different paths available for opening the same device after enumerating it And only one of those paths is the right one (at least in the case of my mouse)

Jester•2y ago

it doesnt want to open the device anymore

VеrsetteOP•2y ago

Are you on Linux or Windows? Does running your program as admin/superuser change anything?

Jester•2y ago

windows. idk id have to do some more experimenting

VеrsetteOP•2y ago

Maybe also try to close the device first before opening it again, I'm not quite sure if it can be "left open" somehow, but it might work

Jester•2y ago

now it works again for some reason? Shrugeg

VеrsetteOP•2y ago

Weird...

Accord•2y ago

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senhor vilas bôas•13mo ago

@Vеrsette I'm interested in a simple script that communicates with my mouse and returns the battery level. Would you mind sharing this part of your code? I can't get mine to work

VеrsetteOP•13mo ago

What mouse are you using? There's no universal code for this, and my mouse is from a pretty small Chinese brand, so my code will for sure not work for yours You will need to read data from the original software and compare the values to see what changes in the mouse's response to indicate battery level, like I did here

Jester•13mo ago

oh hi now this thread became back alive that reminded me i came back to my HID project to use my Wacom tablet as a mouse and its working great now. I didnt use the HID library this time but instead I open the device as a file with the win32 function CreateFile. then make a SafeFileHandle of the returned HANDLE and then a FileStream of that. now i have a loop where i ReadExact 10 bytes from the FileStream and it works great. Im planning on putting the project on github

Jester•13mo ago

i want to try this out in a next project https://github.com/microsoft/ArduinoHidForWindows/tree/main/examples/LampArray

GitHub

ArduinoHidForWindows/examples/LampArray at main · microsoft/Arduino...

A public Arduino library with implementations for various Windows-compatible Human-Interface-Devices - microsoft/ArduinoHidForWindows

senhor vilas bôas•13mo ago

I'm using a chinese mouse as well: Delux M800 did you use a decompiler to get the original software code?

VеrsetteOP•13mo ago

I guess that's one way to do it)

senhor vilas bôas•13mo ago

I'm just willing to get a Windows notification whether my mouse is low battery

VеrsetteOP•13mo ago

I used a debugger and watched for calls to hidapi.dll (the library that the original program used)

Jester•13mo ago

its surprisingly hard to create a window notification for some reason. ive been strugling with it

senhor vilas bôas•13mo ago

oh my lord...

Jester•13mo ago

it should be simple in theory

VеrsetteOP•13mo ago

I think I used ToastManager from Windows.UI.Notifications previously with success

senhor vilas bôas•13mo ago

well, the first step is only to get the battery level at the terminal log, so I'll do further configurations gonna take a look

Jester•13mo ago

yeah a very simple way to read from a device

senhor vilas bôas•13mo ago

I've seen some GitHub repositories where the code makes a task bar icon with the battery of the mouse, like a laptop battery indicator thanks for that! definitely gonna try out this

VеrsetteOP•13mo ago

I took a quick look, and if this is your mouse program, then it doesn't use hidapi.dll It uses hid.dll, which you can hook with something like Frida

senhor vilas bôas•13mo ago

which program did you use for hooking the api calls? oh, nice! so I was looking to the wrong way

VеrsetteOP•13mo ago

Frida

https://frida.re/

Frida • A world-class dynamic instrumentation toolkit

Observe and reprogram running programs on Windows, macOS, GNU/Linux, iOS, watchOS, tvOS, Android, FreeBSD, and QNX

VеrsetteOP•13mo ago

Attaching Interceptor to it with Module.findExportByName("hid.dll", 'HidD_GetFeature')

Accord•13mo ago

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senhor vilas bôas•13mo ago

I ended up giving up on this project. I've been trying for a while but I just can't get it to work... but I am very grateful for your help, @Vеrsette!

Jester•13mo ago

here is my HID project with a different approach https://github.com/QubitTooLate/RawWacom

GitHub

GitHub - QubitTooLate/RawWacom: Small app to use a Wacom tablet as ...

Small app to use a Wacom tablet as a mouse. Contribute to QubitTooLate/RawWacom development by creating an account on GitHub.

Accord•13mo ago

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senhor vilas bôas•13mo ago

thanks for sharing this! I have a drawing tablet as well, so I'm gonna take a look

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