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Jettie Eilish
I couldn't even tell this was ai, it's getting scary
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how can you not tell
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As far as the normal solid signs that I've seen, I couldn't. They usually mess up eyes and certain distinguishable patterns
the cheek, teeth, lips, ear, and general flat feeling are still there (and the left eye looks a lil wack)
The eyes are messed up
And the mouth looks wonky asf
its the way it all flows, if you look at the random strands of hair they dont make sense, and tbe shadows dont make sense for the level of art
i feel like AI art should not be allowed in fanartā¦
AI Art still takes work and skill.
There isnāt a reason it shouldnāt be in fanart unless someone is claiming at as something they drew
it doesnt
it steals work and skill
Yes, it does, it takes skill to figure out how to get that result. Iām not in the mood to argue but anyone who does AI art can tell you of the time and trial and error it takes.
yeah it takes so much time to think of the words im gonna put in my art stealing machine
I invite you to go to an AI generator and replicate that image then. Be my guest.
Itās not an art stealing machine
You can obv tell its ai cause its garbage and flawed
Skill ?? go to an AI and write a few prompts ?
is that equal to years of learning anatomy and color theory ?
a human can at least replicate it again, and do it correctly.
youāre an artist you should know this
While I do agree with you that making a "good" piece of art traditionally is harder than generating a "good" piece of AI art, nobody was comparing the skill AI art takes with the skill normal art takes. A good majority of AI art is just typing in a single word, but some AI art probably does take some amount skill to make, such as the pieces Reviem posts in this discord (they look fantastic and much different from "normal" AI generated art in my mind). You canāt lump in all AI art together just like you canāt lump all traditional art together.
In addition to that, just because something inherently takes "less skill" doesnāt mean its not a cool piece of art. Does it mean that it probably took less time and effort to make/generate? Sure, but its still interesting to look at. I donāt particularly see a reason why AI art needs to be banned in this server unless it truly does kind of take over the channel, but as it is right now, AI art in this discord isnāt a problem yet.
AI art does have its flaws, but just like how most traditional art has its flaws, that doesnāt mean its garbage.
And you arenāt "stealing" by spreading AI art, unless you made/generated an image to imitate/copy an existing piece of art and passed it off as your own work. In my mind as long as you mention its AI generated, and donāt intentionally try to deceive people, then its fine for the most part.
At the end of the day, in my mind AI generators are a really neat tool that will only get better as time goes on. As someone who enjoys art myself, I canāt wait to see how it grows and will influence the art world as a whole. But in the meantime I would try to stay open-minded about new things like these because they definitely arenāt going away any time soon lol
i think it should be posted in another channel to avoid confusion
people are starting to use it to scam others into commissioning them
š bro said clicking buttons is hard
the woes of clicking generate over and over again to get an equally mediocre image
Ai literally steals art/photography from other artists to make this. A few clicks and you have AI art. Damn thatās some hard work and skill š
That is the point numb skull. IT IS NOT ART because it takes out bits from tons of other artworks which btw they use to train ai without artist's consent and aren't compensated for it. You can give whatever prompt you want call it skill whatever but it'll be just equivalent to being really good at googling stuff cause thats what it do. Ai is taking tiny bits of existing ones into another image
I sound mean
Sorry about that but for the love of god educate yourself
so do all artists plagiarize
all artists look at other art
all artists are influenced by other artists
artists take techniques from other artists
like George Bridgeman's amazing books on anatomy and such
or the Loomis Head method
There is a difference between plagiarism and inspiration. You're speaking of bad artists who does that. Artist whenever is inspired, they come up with their own unique touch, human touch which is why we got tons of art styles. No one ever said plagiarism is good. Did you even read what i said? Or are you just trying to prove your point so hard on that you dont give yourself tiniest bit of flexibility to change your opinion about it
Its like youre trying to defend bad artist
Yes you are right
AI combines together thousands if not millions of images
its not stealing any one persons style
"bad" artists need to be defended because most artists are "bad" artists
If you define the difference between plagiarism and inspiration as the lack of "human touch"
then I apologize but we won't get anywhere in this conversation because our definitions of these fundamental concepts are different
Thank you
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i could literally tell it was AI the second i saw it
the only reason i clicked on this post is because thats AI and i wanted to make fun of the person who posted it
This is bad art, its flat, emotionless, has no unique style at all, theres nothing specific that sets this image apart from every other emotionless, bland, copy of it
AI art is it's own art style and its absolutely horrendus
my guy thinks typing messages until you get an image that looks sorta acceptable is hard work lol
Look dude, thatās your opinion. Thereās no reason to go around making fun of people who have nothing to do with you.
Not opinion. Facts
Thanks man I appreciate it. Most people believe AI is just copy and paste parts of people's images without changing them and then composites them together which is simply not true. Just like the human brain, AI works by pattern recognition. If a person sees enough apples and is told they are apples they will be able to identify apples in the future and maybe even reproduce them in drawings. Similarly, AI is trained on the LAION 5b model (5b im assuming means 5 billion)which contains images made by humans( both art and photographs, pretty much any type of image found online) that are available for ANYONE to see on the internet. AI, just like human artists, simply recognises patterns previously seen and then reproduces them. Be it an object, person or style. A lot of people also think the images are taken illegally, and as far as the law goes, simply scraping images on the internet that ANYONE can see and captioning them for training purposes is not illegal. Which is exactly what the LAION 5b model is. There is no legal issue because you cannot copyright an art style.
That is not true at all
You're clearly someone who's got no idea what creative's job is. Dont bother me
You're saying prompting isn't creative? you're saying images never seen before are not creative? you're saying the ability for anyone to turn something they imagined into existence and share it isn't creative? Then explain what it.
People complaining how art is made now reminds me of how boomers complain of how things used to be.
"Oh back in my day art was made like this..."
Shit in blue, nothing like you've seen before but its still shit. Recycling artworks, creating flawed images, outdated boring style, not to mention the ethical aspects of not compensating the artist's work used to train ai. Anything involving that is garbage to me. If it fascinates you good for you. Im only fine as long as someone is using it for absolute initial concepts which are for him to see and only him, like we use references and moodboards for a more clean concept ahead. Passing it off as your own work is so unfair. Use it to make yourself better not cut corners alr. Come back when you've actually experience in creative industry.
Actually hopeless, gonna mute this thread
Recycling artworks? Seriously?
Images are only flawed for now. AI image generation is still experimental. As more models come out, flaws can be easily exterminated.
How is it an outdated boring style when you can have any style?
Ethical aspects? MF have you never pirated a movie or game ever? Does that compensate the producers?
If what you said was the case then EVERY ARTIST would owe money to every other artist. No current style is completely new and is all inspired by other people's styles.
I totally agree. I think any legit artist would too lol
claiming what exactly?
Reviem manages the AI to create this, they themself did not create it but instead guided an AI to create it, since an AI cannot claim credit for artwork yes Reviem created it
This artwork was posted by someone else, not Reviem. So, unless they stole it, it belongs to @/qwerty_axl
I think they're talking about the other artworks i posted and not specifically this one
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I agree. Also AI software uses art by millions of artists to train its algorithm. Even tho the artists didnāt consent for their work to be used. Artist will thrive without AI, but AI needs to steal from real artists work to automate images.
Itās not as much stealing as it is learning from other artistās work which is what every human artist already does
Iāve explained how it works in the paragraph above
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Except every human artist actually draws and creates something from nothing which takes hours to do and constant learning and improving. A machine can do this in a couple of seconds and just copies and steals work from other artists. I donāt think itās the same. A machine blatantly copying something or someone who actually needs to try to draw something. But thatās just my opinion as an artist
AI images are not art because what defines art is the effort and not always the final outcome. For example, other forms of art are poetry, cooking, dance, makeup, music, etc. One thing all of these have in common is putting a lot of effort into making them
(That's not to say you can't post these here -- but thats how I see AI "art")
But I don't think anyone is trying to say AI Images are the same as genuine art either
I'm just surprised people talk about AI art without knowing how it actually works
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yeah but no one understands that because they dont draw
most people do lol and if you think its skillful try sitting down with a pencil and paper and draw what you type yourself instead of being lazy
No one said it was skilful, but it is incredibly convenient. Also most people know how to use it. Not how diffusion models like stable diffusion, mid journey or dalle learn from data and reproduce samples
Every price of art takes inspiration, not limited to ai
ai doesnt take inspiration, it takes parts of other images to match your prompt
it doesn't take parts of any image
It learns patterns just like a human brain
If there are 10 images that contain apples, and each image is captioned as containing apples
It will learn what an apple looks like
That's how it works
It doesn't just take parts of images and make a collage out of them
both of you are right
but still
https://discord.com/channels/679875946597056683/1058231915506839625/1061028549085122631
no it doesn't
Yet you draw it yourself and not a machine who does it for you
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what difference does that make
Is coca cola produced from a machine no longer coca cola?
So you donāt see a difference drawing something with the hand or a machine who does it for you lol. And how is that a good example. Is coco cola handmade art?
I do but ai art isn't stealing
It doesn't intentionally
Just like hand drawn art
the difference is that i have spent 3 or more hours doing one little art piece and people can just type words into a computer and do it in 20 seconds and say that we are on the same level
EXACTLY
This is so cool!
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