bannable

i usually q ranked with some higher elo friends just bc i like playing w them and they dont like unrated, is that bannable? i'm silv and theyre like immortal so 💔 i dont wanna get banned just cuz my friends r 'too good' for unrated 😭😭
138 Replies
sai
sai3y ago
how can u queue ranked with them if ur silver and they're imm?
amanda
amandaOP3y ago
5 stack
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
i assume you mean in a 5 stack, right? if so, no, its not bannable
amanda
amandaOP3y ago
okay good thank u ❤️‍🩹❤️‍🩹
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
the game punishes players for 5 stacking with those kinds of ranked disparities by reducing the rr gained/lost
sai
sai3y ago
ohh
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
but not bannable or anything like that
amanda
amandaOP3y ago
🙏🙏
♱
3y ago
lmao its kind of a cheese way to get free rr tho higher elo players queue 5stack with lower elo players and they get mid elos where they just clap them
amanda
amandaOP3y ago
it is kinda easy for my friends LMAO but im always suffering cant play against diamonds 🤧
Perry
Perry3y ago
its not bannable considering its an in-game function riot implemented bu its cheap
♱
3y ago
yeah i feel like the 5 stack feature should make it so its only a 2 rank diff max its kind of broken how immos can play with irons lmao
Perry
Perry3y ago
true
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
there are like 3 radiants that i know of that literally got radiant playing against low silver players in a 5 stack
Perry
Perry3y ago
thats exactly why I dont five stack, im not tryna get my rr stolen by some kid clearly not my rank
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
well that wont happen unless you 5 stack with players higher than you on your team
Perry
Perry3y ago
no itdoesnt work like that
♱
3y ago
ye
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
....yes it does
♱
3y ago
when ur immo and u que with irons or something they try to balance it
Perry
Perry3y ago
when I was gold at least, because I would 5 stack with gold players and itll give me diamonds
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
5 stacks balance mmr
♱
3y ago
and put u agianst silvers
Perry
Perry3y ago
and if you five stack late night its going to give u the first 5 stack it can, mmr isnt a factor
♱
3y ago
yeah but what if therse no other immo + 4 iron partys lol
Perry
Perry3y ago
especially on smaller servers like oregon
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
it doesnt balance ranks necessarily , it balances mmr. on a curve, you'll q people most on your rank ???? "mmr isnt a factor"
Perry
Perry3y ago
you dont five stack do you
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
bro-
kiiii
kiiii3y ago
thats why they just make an alt
♱
3y ago
if u look at immo + 4 iron 5 stacks they get a 5 stack of silver-plat or something lol
kiiii
kiiii3y ago
lmaso
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
yes and thats the mmr being balanced youre more likely to face a smurf too in a solo/duo/trio then you are a high immortal in a 5 stack
kiiii
kiiii3y ago
nope its also another 5 stack :I
♱
3y ago
yeah but thats not queueing people ur rank if he 5 stacks w peopl ethe same rank as him theres a possibliity of him geting an immo + 4 low elo 5 stack lol
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
yes and theres a higher chance that you'll face an immortal smurf in a regular queue than getting an immo + 4 low elo nothing is random in ranked its all statistically calculated the devs know what they're doing more than random players in the valorant discord like us
♱
3y ago
yeah hi sinitial point was just why he doesnt 5 stack thats it and its tru
amanda
amandaOP3y ago
yo whats happening here
Perry
Perry3y ago
play a small server and tell me how many five stacks match ur mmr
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
you literally dont know your mmr
Perry
Perry3y ago
ill wait
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
nobody does lmao
Perry
Perry3y ago
i dont think my mmr was immo when i was gold
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
you dont understand how lobbies are created
amanda
amandaOP3y ago
i thought the system just matches u w the first and closest ranked 5 stacks avail
♱
3y ago
yup
amanda
amandaOP3y ago
and if ur like
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
somewhat, it depends on how long the queue is
amanda
amandaOP3y ago
playing w higher elo it puts u in the middle thats what it does w me
♱
3y ago
ya
Perry
Perry3y ago
yeah
♱
3y ago
and most of the time the higher elo team wins lol
amanda
amandaOP3y ago
im usually playing in like plat/dia w my high elo friends
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
exactly, its a balance of mmr
♱
3y ago
yeah its immo vs plat tho
Perry
Perry3y ago
im saying its not always gonna be similar ranks, especially in smaller servers lmao
♱
3y ago
lmao
amanda
amandaOP3y ago
yes well ranks usually show off how good u r 😪
♱
3y ago
yup very scuffed system i never 5 stack
Perry
Perry3y ago
yeah
amanda
amandaOP3y ago
i mean i'd assume theyre always like
Perry
Perry3y ago
5 stacking is not the way
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
HUH
amanda
amandaOP3y ago
closeish together like gold-diamond n stuff idk
Perry
Perry3y ago
yeah usually
amanda
amandaOP3y ago
i play on london servs tho so i dont rlly know LMAO
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
i play on oregon and cali
Perry
Perry3y ago
I play oregon
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
the game is never wrong
♱
3y ago
even if its not the getting an immo shit 5 stack just gives me bad vibes lmao
Perry
Perry3y ago
lol true tho
amanda
amandaOP3y ago
no literally
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
you realize that you are facing the same amount of smurfs while not 5 stacking as you are with 5 stacking
amanda
amandaOP3y ago
5 stacking is so risky lol i only do it w high elo mates
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
the difference is presented rank and how mmr is balanced
♱
3y ago
yeah ik LMAO i was duo w my friend today and all 3 of my randoms were smurfing
amanda
amandaOP3y ago
THAT HAPPENED TO ME YESTERDAY
♱
3y ago
they were going deag only tho to make it fair and it was breee
amanda
amandaOP3y ago
mine were all like
♱
3y ago
breeze
amanda
amandaOP3y ago
shotguns
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
my point being is that no matter how youre quing ranked, you're always going be in "unfair" lobbies
amanda
amandaOP3y ago
w occasional vandals
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
whether for you or against you
amanda
amandaOP3y ago
^^^
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
and 5 stacking doesn't make a difference its whether its hidden or not
amanda
amandaOP3y ago
doesnt NA have an anti smurf system or smth? i think i read abt it somewhere
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
the NA anti smurf system is basically double ranked up and mmr boosts
amanda
amandaOP3y ago
oh i thought it was more complex idk
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
where if youre doing way too good for your rank, youre just going to climb faster in terms of mmr and rank
amanda
amandaOP3y ago
at least u have some sort of anti smurf thing
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
so better performing = faster climbing yes
amanda
amandaOP3y ago
eu doesnt have shit
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
its basically like the mentality that smurfs will get to their deserved ranks faster limiting the smurfing impact in the lower ranks
♱
3y ago
cap just be hardstuck top 50 radiant
amanda
amandaOP3y ago
i feel like im a bit below radiant just a teensy bit.
♱
3y ago
tbh there are WAY more smurfs in 5 stacks than in regular queue
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
you are statistically incorrect
♱
3y ago
i get 1 smurf every 10 games but im in an elo where there are a lot of smurfs
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
its just not correct 😂 its not my opinion either
emiL
emiL3y ago
is winxp bannable ?
♱
3y ago
how do u know
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
you mean the operating system?
emiL
emiL3y ago
idk the true strech thing
♱
3y ago
its not like there are stats on how many smurfs in solo vs 5 stack
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
except... there literally is someone whos full time job it is to make changes to ranked, made the ranked system, and knows everything about it EvrMoar on twitter is the dev that works on ranked. he talks about all of these things https://twitter.com/riotevrmoar
Perry
Perry3y ago
smurfs are in a lot of ranks tbh
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
every rank its a huge problem minus ig radiant
Perry
Perry3y ago
ye radiant smurf
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
well there are radiant smurfs in my imm 3 lobbies not low radiants, im talking top 100 and thats basically like putting a silver against a high ascendant
Perry
Perry3y ago
imm3 and radiant are very diffrent
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
100% theres a huge difference between low imm3, high imm3, low/mid/high radiant, and pro play
Perry
Perry3y ago
ye
notjohncab
notjohncab3y ago
if you play against higher ranks i think it means you're just too good for your own rank lmao
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
ye mmr is higher than ranked rank
Perry
Perry3y ago
yeah
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
these are relevant to our conversation
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
EvrMoar (@RiotEvrMoar)
We always monitor ranked/leaderboards, and are aware some players use illegitimate accounts to abuse 5-stacks. We take action against these bad actors, and will continue to refine our detection systems and pay attention to your reports/posts to prevent it. Good luck this Act!
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Mochi
Mochi3y ago
EvrMoar (@RiotEvrMoar)
@tristenfps This was from a smurf survey, on top of many changes to reduce the need to smurf, increase the speed of figuring out a smurfs MMR, and making it harder to make ranked ready accounts. We always want to make VALORANT easier to play with friends, reducing restrictions when possible.
Twitter
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
EvrMoar (@RiotEvrMoar)
@tristenfps That would be true, if we didn't track this data and see more players playing on their main after the change, and 5 stacks increase by almost double. Also our MMR system is built in a way that does not penalize a high rank playing with a low rank, something we've talked about.
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Mochi
Mochi3y ago
a lot of good info on background related to 5 stacking and the mentality behind it
♱
3y ago
idk bro there aren thtat many smurfs tbh maybe i am just lucky ive gotten like 4 smurfs out of my 200 games played
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
you also just never know ive smurfed before. sometimes i also have bad games, but statistically i should be much better 😂 its an impossible metric to measure from personal experience, you need empirical evidence from someone like evrmoar
♱
3y ago
i mean if the smurf isnt going at least doubel positive it doesnt rlly impact the game lol a lot of times smurfs will troll a bit and still be going double-triple positive and thts how i tell or if they one tap all of my tms its kind of obvious in low elo
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
right, but they're still a smurf it shouldnt matter how they perform, they're either a smurf or not again, this
♱
3y ago
yeh but it only matters when they affect the game
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
thats a selfish way to look at it
♱
3y ago
how lmao if they're smurfing and they're doing mid they dont negatively affect the game so it shouldnt matter
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
you have a warped definition of smurfing then because if someone is smurfing, that means they are affecting the game this makes it sound like "if theyre not affecting my game, it doesn't matter"
♱
3y ago
💀 thats exactly what im tryna say
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
yes, and thats selfish lmao because if they are smurfing, but they happen to not affect your game, you dont care about the problem, only how it affects you
♱
3y ago
yeah if it doesnt affect the match then its not rlly a problem tho no? does that make sens
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
youre also assuming that the smurfs performance is static for example lets say you play against a smurf he does shit he has a bad game or hes not trying
♱
3y ago
ok yeah then that affects the game im saying if it doesnt affect the game
Mochi
Mochi3y ago
and then the next game, he goes demon mode and top frags youre taking it from a single match standpoint which is true, if they don't affect that match, its not really a problem but making that the norm of smurf behavior is stupid because the very next game probably will have a different result
♱
3y ago
man im not saying smurfing is ok and should be accepted im just saying if they dont affect ppls games it shouldnt mattr keyword IF i get what u mean tho some ppl just hop on a lower elo alt to chill and not try that much and they do mid constnatly
kiiii
kiiii3y ago
fr bro
Panda
Panda3y ago
You don't get banned for doing 5 mans with higher ranked people.
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