bannable
i usually q ranked with some higher elo friends just bc i like playing w them and they dont like unrated, is that bannable? i'm silv and theyre like immortal so 💔 i dont wanna get banned just cuz my friends r 'too good' for unrated 😭😭
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how can u queue ranked with them if ur silver and they're imm?
5 stack
i assume you mean in a 5 stack, right? if so, no, its not bannable
okay good thank u ❤️🩹❤️🩹
the game punishes players for 5 stacking with those kinds of ranked disparities by reducing the rr gained/lost
ohh
but not bannable or anything like that
🙏🙏
lmao its kind of a cheese way to get free rr tho
higher elo players queue 5stack with lower elo players and they get mid elos where they just clap them
it is kinda easy for my friends LMAO but im always suffering
cant play against diamonds 🤧
its not bannable considering its an in-game function riot implemented bu its cheap
yeah i feel like the 5 stack feature should make it so its only a 2 rank diff max
its kind of broken how immos can play with irons
lmao
true
there are like 3 radiants that i know of
that literally got radiant playing against low silver players
in a 5 stack
thats exactly why I dont five stack, im not tryna get my rr stolen by some kid clearly not my rank
well that wont happen unless you 5 stack with players higher than you on your team
no itdoesnt work like that
ye
....yes it does
when ur immo and u que with irons or something
they try to balance it
when I was gold at least, because I would 5 stack with gold players and itll give me diamonds
5 stacks balance mmr
and put u agianst silvers
and if you five stack late night its going to give u the first 5 stack it can, mmr isnt a factor
yeah but what if therse no other immo + 4 iron partys
lol
especially on smaller servers like oregon
it doesnt balance ranks necessarily , it balances mmr. on a curve, you'll q people most on your rank
????
"mmr isnt a factor"
you dont five stack do you
bro-
thats why they just make an alt
if u look at immo + 4 iron 5 stacks they get a 5 stack of silver-plat or something
lol
lmaso
yes and thats the mmr being balanced
youre more likely to face a smurf too in a solo/duo/trio
then you are a high immortal in a 5 stack
nope
its also another 5 stack
:I
yeah but thats not queueing people ur rank
if he 5 stacks w peopl ethe same rank as him
theres a possibliity
of him geting
an immo + 4 low elo 5 stack
lol
yes and theres a higher chance that you'll face an immortal smurf in a regular queue than getting an immo + 4 low elo
nothing is random in ranked
its all statistically calculated
the devs know what they're doing more than random players in the valorant discord like us
yeah hi sinitial point was just why he doesnt 5 stack thats it and its tru
yo whats happening here
play a small server and tell me how many five stacks match ur mmr
you literally dont know your mmr
ill wait
nobody does
lmao
i dont think my mmr was immo when i was gold
you dont understand how lobbies are created
i thought the system just matches u w the first and closest ranked 5 stacks avail
yup
and if ur like
somewhat, it depends on how long the queue is
playing w higher elo it puts u in the middle
thats what it does w me
ya
yeah
and most of the time
the higher elo team wins
lol
im usually playing in like plat/dia w my high elo friends
exactly, its a balance of mmr
yeah its immo vs plat tho
im saying its not always gonna be similar ranks, especially in smaller servers lmao
lmao
yes well ranks usually show off how good u r 😪
yup
very scuffed system
i never 5 stack
yeah
i mean i'd assume theyre always like
5 stacking is not the way
closeish together
like gold-diamond n stuff idk
yeah usually
i play on london servs tho so i dont rlly know LMAO
i play on oregon and cali
I play oregon
the game is never wrong
even if its not the getting an immo shit 5 stack just gives me bad vibes lmao
lol true tho
no literally
you realize that you are facing the same amount of smurfs while not 5 stacking as you are with 5 stacking
5 stacking is so risky lol i only do it w high elo mates
the difference is presented rank and how mmr is balanced
yeah ik LMAO i was duo w my friend today and all 3 of my randoms were smurfing
THAT HAPPENED TO ME YESTERDAY
they were going deag only tho
to make it fair
and it was breee
mine were all like
breeze
shotguns
my point being is that no matter how youre quing ranked, you're always going be in "unfair" lobbies
w occasional vandals
whether for you or against you
^^^
and 5 stacking doesn't make a difference
its whether its hidden or not
doesnt NA have an anti smurf system or smth?
i think i read abt it somewhere
the NA anti smurf system is basically double ranked up and mmr boosts
oh
i thought it was more complex
idk
where if youre doing way too good for your rank, youre just going to climb faster in terms of mmr and rank
at least u have some sort of anti smurf thing
so better performing = faster climbing
yes
eu doesnt have shit
its basically like the mentality that smurfs will get to their deserved ranks faster
limiting the smurfing impact in the lower ranks
cap just be hardstuck top 50 radiant
i feel like im a bit below radiant
just a teensy bit.
tbh there are WAY more smurfs in 5 stacks than in regular queue
you are statistically incorrect
i get 1 smurf every 10 games but im in an elo where there are a lot of smurfs
its just not correct 😂
its not my opinion either
is winxp bannable ?
how do u know
you mean the operating system?
idk the true strech thing
its not like there are stats on how many smurfs in solo vs 5 stack
except... there literally is someone whos full time job it is to make changes to ranked, made the ranked system, and knows everything about it
EvrMoar on twitter is the dev that works on ranked. he talks about all of these things
https://twitter.com/riotevrmoar
smurfs are in a lot of ranks tbh
every rank
its a huge problem
minus ig radiant
ye radiant smurf
well there are radiant smurfs in my imm 3 lobbies
not low radiants, im talking top 100
and thats basically like putting a silver against a high ascendant
imm3 and radiant are very diffrent
100%
theres a huge difference between low imm3, high imm3, low/mid/high radiant, and pro play
ye
if you play against higher ranks i think it means you're just too good for your own rank lmao
ye
mmr is higher than ranked rank
yeah
these are relevant to our conversation
EvrMoar (@RiotEvrMoar)
We always monitor ranked/leaderboards, and are aware some players use illegitimate accounts to abuse 5-stacks. We take action against these bad actors, and will continue to refine our detection systems and pay attention to your reports/posts to prevent it. Good luck this Act!
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EvrMoar (@RiotEvrMoar)
@tristenfps This was from a smurf survey, on top of many changes to reduce the need to smurf, increase the speed of figuring out a smurfs MMR, and making it harder to make ranked ready accounts. We always want to make VALORANT easier to play with friends, reducing restrictions when possible.
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EvrMoar (@RiotEvrMoar)
@tristenfps That would be true, if we didn't track this data and see more players playing on their main after the change, and 5 stacks increase by almost double.
Also our MMR system is built in a way that does not penalize a high rank playing with a low rank, something we've talked about.
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a lot of good info on background related to 5 stacking and the mentality behind it
idk
bro
there aren thtat many smurfs tbh
maybe i am just lucky
ive gotten like 4 smurfs
out of my 200 games played
you also just never know
ive smurfed before. sometimes i also have bad games, but statistically i should be much better 😂
its an impossible metric to measure from personal experience, you need empirical evidence from someone like evrmoar
i mean if the smurf isnt going at least doubel positive it doesnt rlly impact the game lol
a lot of times smurfs will troll a bit and still be going double-triple positive
and thts how i tell
or if they one tap all of my tms
its kind of obvious in low elo
right, but they're still a smurf
it shouldnt matter how they perform, they're either a smurf or not
again, this
yeh but it only matters when they affect the game
thats a selfish way to look at it
how lmao
if they're smurfing and they're doing mid they dont negatively affect the game
so it shouldnt matter
you have a warped definition of smurfing then
because if someone is smurfing, that means they are affecting the game
this makes it sound like "if theyre not affecting my game, it doesn't matter"
💀 thats exactly what im tryna say
yes, and thats selfish lmao
because if they are smurfing, but they happen to not affect your game, you dont care about the problem, only how it affects you
yeah if it doesnt affect the match then its not rlly a problem tho no?
does that make sens
youre also assuming that the smurfs performance is static
for example
lets say you play against a smurf
he does shit
he has a bad game
or hes not trying
ok yeah then that affects the game
im saying if it doesnt affect the game
and then the next game, he goes demon mode
and top frags
youre taking it from a single match standpoint
which is true, if they don't affect that match, its not really a problem
but making that the norm of smurf behavior is stupid
because the very next game probably will have a different result
man im not saying smurfing is ok and should be accepted im just saying if they dont affect ppls games it shouldnt mattr
keyword IF
i get what u mean tho
some ppl just hop on a lower elo alt to chill and not try that much and they do mid constnatly
fr bro
You don't get banned for doing 5 mans with higher ranked people.